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Gitano Rom Sinti Kale Manouche Romany Romaní Khorakhanè Джипси هناج دومي
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(@) Max Di Palma, A.Shorr CC: BY-NC-ND 4.0 Attrib-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International. This research or part of it can be used only on author's permit and as long as you cite the authors' and the reference studies linked in this page. [Legal Licence (pdf):  CC: BY-NC-ND 4.0 Attrib-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International ]

For security & privacy we need your Gedmatch.com Kit IDs to see if you belong to this project BEFORE to accept any Join request. So, please set a Gedmatch kit and send it to us before joining.


For security and members privacy's protection we must have some information to process your Join request:

1.   Did you test Autosome? We could need your Gedmatch.com Kit number to check if you belong to this project BEFORE to accept any Join request. So, if you have one, please write your Gedmatch kit and send it to us BEFORE JOINING in the Join request “notes”.
2.   Please tell us something about your own family root: where are you from? What is your Clan or family?
3.   Are you Romany or NOT? (if you are adoptive, we are happy to help).
4.   Why do you "think" you belong to the Romany DNA (Rom/Sinti/Kale/Gitani/Gipsy/Zingari) project? 
5.   Are you Romany with ancestor's birth certificates /documents or just a suspicion, etc? 
6.   Do you have Romany ancestors or maybe an actual family heritage, spoken Romany chib (language) or, even, just old family tales, hints etc.? Please tell when asking to join.

RomanyDNA Project is not a “*remote* Romany ancestry’s research group” but a specific ethnic DNA research project for verified (or verifiable by DNA) Romany people and Clans (Vitsa).

Ancestors claimed as only “possibly” Romany extremely far back in join applicants’ family-trees are NOT considerable. Too small and unphased segments’ matches (less than 11cM) with any Romany surname are not valuable for our DNA research project. The RomanyDNA project needs people with actual Rom, Sinti, Gitano, Kale and Romanichals Chromosome’s segments to run DNA tools and segments’ triangulations; even a single wrong sample will divert calculations and clan’s clusters. For this we need to be selective.

Attention: Picking up randomly a family name from our surnames list to subscribe to this project is a red alert for the membership scrutinizers team.
People do not realize how small the Romany world is, due to sad historical bottle-necks in our population.

We had reiterated interferences in the past from magicians, novelists and even scientific researches or students who claim to be Rom or to have had Romany ancestry in order to gain information and use our (@CC) researches, surnames, pictures or family histories for personal purposes and their novels and careers: always out of Romany people's fates.

We had too many bad experiences and we finally had to protect the Privacy of the members in our project.

This project is Private: members' names or members' results or also members' feeds & messages are NOT showed or public on the Web but are only shared between project members and admins.

The members of this project are checked to avoid bad intrusions.

In this "Private" Project all participants are expected to abide by the following few basic guidelines:

This is a "DNA Project" so set your Account -> Setting's -> Privacy Options" & Project Privacy: showing DNA results: at least with the Limited or Advanced Option.
There is no sense to subscribe to a DNA project hiding your DNA.

"If" a member did test Full mtDNA he/she *must show the CR (Coding Region) to admins otherwise it will be impossible to do any subgrouping*

Please Opt-in for Privacy and set the Project "account settings" in order for the Administrators to be able to do a correct project subgrouping and tell you if you are from any sub-haplogroup (for free):

* Religion & Magics are OFF TOPIC: (Life & light posts, Mormon posts, Adventists LDS posts, Evangelical posts, Catholics posts, Jewish Simeon legend Tribers' posts, Egyptian posts, Magic posts, Sheba-Queen posts are DELETED). 
* Racism and trolling will not be tolerated.
* Be polite, courteous and respectful to your fellow project members at all times.
* Messages and comments posted in this group should not be shared on other mailing lists, forums and Facebook groups without the consent of the project member.
* Respect the privacy of living people. Information about living people, including names, e-mail addresses, and postal addresses, should only be shared if the appropriate consent has been obtained.


Romany, Gitano, Rom & Sinti : Y-DNA, mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA Project

Romano, Romany, or Roma or, better, Romaní (or Manusha, Sinti or Kaale/Kale for those who are from specific families who identify as such, as well as those who prefer individual clan names) or Romany as a whole are the correct definitions for our population; others words like Gypsies, Nomads, etc. are not.

Romany populations come from India as shown by all genetic evidences. (This historic fact is even documented by antique historical Middle-age documents mentioning actual Romany people describing India as their main land).
Already in a publication in the Vienna Gazette in November 1763, Stefano Valyi, from the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, verified the equivalences of the Malabar region’s language in Kerala (SW India) with the language of the Dutch Roma.

In 1782 the German Johann Carl Christoph Rüdiger, professor at the University of Halle, published in an international scientific magazine, the article "Von der Sprache und Herkun der Zigeuner aus Indien" (On the language and origin of gypsies from India), in which he perfectly demonstrated the relationship between the Roman and the languages of India.

Finally, the German Heinrich Moritz Gottlieb Grellmann, in the scientific book published in Leipzig in 1783: “Die Zigeuner, Ein Historischer Versuch über die Lebensart und Verfassung, Sitten und Schicksale dieses Volkes in Europa, nebst ihrem Ursprunge” (The gypsies. An historical attempt on the way and conception of life, customs and fate of this people in Europe, as well as their origins),  definitively demonstrated, once and for all, the Indian origin of the Roma by combining linguistic analysis with historical investigation and description of their costumes.

Since then, 236 years ago, the Indian origin of the Romani people has been definitively demonstrated innumerable times in many linguistic, historical, anthropological and genetic studies published by all the world's scientific journals.
Then, various attempts of political manipulation, mystical speculations and dogmatic conjectures have been done by the Nazi, some Gadjè and sometimes even by our own people.

The Indian origin of the Roma and Sinti has been well known for more than 2 centuries now, here it is NOT object of new tardive discussions.

After the initial dispersal from India from about the years: 1000 to 1027 CE, Romany founders migrated through portions of Central Asia (Afghanistan and Persia) to Armenia in the north and the Near East in the south. 

From the Near East, this group moved in two directions; either toward North Africa with subsequent dispersion through the Strait of Gibraltar for entry into the Iberian Peninsula,

or across Anatolia (via the Strait of Bosporus) and into the Balkans (between the 11th and 12th centuries) with the later expansion into Western Europe (completed by the 15th century).

The "Great Band" (led by King/Prince SINDEL, Dukes MIHALI, ANDRASH and PANUEL, and Count JON) was first in Hungary.
Later, the group led by Duke Panuel & Count Jon, reached the BALTIC LANDS through Czechoslovakia and Germany.
King Sindel went to Austria.
The dukes Andrash and Mihali went to Zurich, Switzerland.
Duke Andrash continued the trip toward Italy.

All Romany communities examined in all scientific studies share Indian-specific lineages and specific Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups

Reference studies used in this page and their authors' names* are mentioned inside the actual studies' (pdf):

Reconstructing Roma history from genome-wide data (Harvard Medical School, Department of Genetics).
Divergent Patrilineal Signals in Three Roma Populations (Department of Molecular and Human Genetics, College of Medicine, Florida).
Origins and Divergence of the Roma (1Centre for Human Genetics, Edith Cowan University, and Western Australian Institute for Medical Research).
Phylogeny of Mitochondrial DNA Macrohaplogroup N in India, Based on Complete Sequencing: Implications for the Peopling of South Asia (Yunnan / India University).
Distribution of Mitochondrial DNA Macrohaplogroup N in India with Special Reference to Haplogroup R and its Sub-Haplogroup U (Biological Anthropology Unit, India).
Finnish Romany (VUORELA & BORIN).
Genetic Structure of the Paternal Lineage of the Roma People (Australia, Slovakia, Hungary institutes).
Mitochondrial Haplogroup U3b (Richard Edmunds).
Indian Signatures in the Westernmost Edge of the European Romany Diaspora: New Insight from Mitogenomes (Unidade de Xenetica, Spain etc).
Mitochondrial DNA Variability in Slovaks, with Application to the Roma Origin (Russia, Slovakia and Czech Institutes).
Mitochondrial DNA Diversity in the Polish Roma (Russia, Polonia academis).
Mutation History of the Roma/Gypsies (Australia Labs etc).
Paternal genetic history of the Vlax Roma (Zalan, Beres, Pamjav, Hungary Istit).
Updating Phylogeny of Mitochondrial DNA Macrohaplogroup M in India: Dispersal of Modern Human in South Asian Corridor (India Univ).
Refining the South Asian Origin of the Romany people (BMC genetics).
The Role of the Vlax Roma in Shaping the European Romany Maternal Genetic History (Croatia Institutes).
Y-Haplogroup frequencies in the Slovak Romany population (various authors).

All the International studies (pdf links) to review these and more background information are in the *link section
(please read them carefully): 

(@) Max DPalma, A.Shorr CC: BY-NC-ND 4.0 Attrib-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International. This research or part of it can be used only on author's permit and as long as you cite the authors' and the reference studies linked in this page. [Legal Licence (pdf):  CC: BY-NC-ND 4.0 Attrib-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International ]