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I2b I-L415, I2a2 (was I2c) I- L596

I-CTS2257 I2c I-L596 & I-BY32198 I2b I-L415 Haplogroup Project
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Just a quick note to inform you that the results fromthe WTY have been posted and they found two new SNPs, L596 and L 597. These became I2c on the YDNA HG Tree.


6 Sep2010 -----Original Message ----- From: "Ken Nordtvedt" Sent: Sunday, September05, 2010 11:56 PM

Subject:[yDNAhgI] Exciting new I2* Clade

Over thelast couple days an exciting new, isolated (in both time and geography) cladeof I2* has been found.

1) It isfunny what excites some of us, and 2) I believe its I2*. Present count ofmembers consists of 6 Italians, 3 Croats, I Greek, 1 Serbian, and 1 Tyrolean?The clade, itself, looks to be only about 2000 years old to its TMRCA, but thiscould be biased down because such an isolated clade is likely to be found withits most conforming haplotypes first.

Buthere's what is so interesting:  it'sinterclade node with other clades of I2* are ancient. Let's call this clade fornow I2*-ADR; the I2* project folks may want to use a different clade nickname?Here are interclade node age estimates: ADR-Arm 12,000 years ADR-J 15,500 yearsADR-14 12,750 years ADR-13 12,900 years ADR-12 14,000 years

Armstands for Armenian cluster; J stands for Jewish cluster. The estimated TMRCAsfor Arm, J, 12, 13, 14 clades are all much, much less than 12,000 years Ethnicclades J and Arm seem to be affiliated with I2*-14 clade. The J clade is soyoung it just reaches back to a historic era TMRCA.

Membersfor this new I2*-ADR were found in ysearch, smgf,, yhrd, and othergeographical projects. Just the Greek has snp tests, and they point toward I2*but have not totally closed the deal yet (P38+, P37-, M223-, M253-)

There isa brand new I2* project with gung-ho administrators. I2* seems to be ourdeepest in time peek into the origins of y haplogroup I due to mainly to itsage and pecularities of its geographical distribution in Europe and SW Asia. Myown database contains hundreds of I2* haplotypes.

Only asmall fraction of them have joined the I2* project so far because of thenewness of the project. I urge I2* folks to join that project. Some of thebenefits are discounts on further STR or SNP tests. Many of these I2*haplotypes I see in my database only have a limited number of STR markers. Byexpanding to the full 67 plus smgf markers, you could greatly help researchinto the phylogenetic tree structure of I2* and learn how your line relates toit all. Here's the address for the I2* project. Join up and let's try to findout where our haplogroup I earliest ancestors were and when?


My initial reason for DNA testing was to try and identify a male line between 100and 200 hundred years ago. This aim so far has not been achieved, but my interest in YDNA and what was going on with the I2* haplogroup has increase and intensified over the last months to make me want to really nail down where this male line originated.

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