Qasar/Khazar/Kosa/Gesa Clan of Xiongnu/Tiele

Toquz Oghuz, Qasar/Kosa of Nine Tiele Names, Tūjué Hésà
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This project has been founded in 2007 as The Royal Ashina of Khazaria DNA project.

It was the very first DNA project with aim to properly attribute origin of haplogroup Q-M242 among Ashkenazi. This name was coin to describe hetereogenous judaised rulling class of the Khazarian Empire.

Since that time number of important papers/articles in various scientific fields has been published.

The following has been revealed :
-    haplogroup Q-M242 among contemporary Ashkenazi actually is subclade Q-M378 (sometimes called Q1b, Q1b1 etc.) and its further subclades Q-L245 and Q-Y2200 (exclusively Jewish)
-       TMRCA (time of most recent common ancestor) of haplogroup Q-Y2200 is 1600 YBP, therefore it is not Isrealite genetic marker/haplogroup
-    it is restricted to only few % of the Ashkenazi genetic pool
-    the same genetic marker/Y-DNA haplogroup Q-M378 has been located in the tomb of the Yeniseian language speaking Xiongnu/Hunnu aristocracy at the Heigouliang cemetery (Xiongnu king summer camp)- the Black Gouliang barrow to the east of the Barkol Basin at the ruins of Hami (Kumul) in North Xinjiang (at the Mongolian border) from 2nd-1st century BCE
-    the same genetic marker/Y-DNA haplogroup Q-M378 has been detected among contemporary Uyghurs of Xinjiang (2010, 2014)
-    availalble Uyghur Q-M378 haplotypes shows striking similarity to those of Ashkenazi Q-M378 suggesting that at least part of Uyghur Q-M378 actually are L245
-    haplogroup Q-M378 has been also located throughout Mongolia and in Japan


We understand these findings through lenses of the medieval Chinese sources and sciences of 21st century.

Main facts are:
-    Medieval Chinese sources located and equated Tiele (direct progeny of the Xiongnu/Hunnu/Huns according to the same sources) tribe Kosa (Gejie, Gesa etc.) with the Khazar clan/tribe/surname located around Caspian Sea and with Qasar clan/tribe/surname of legendary Orkhon Uyghur Nobility „Nine Tiele Clans/Names/Tribes„(Toquz Oghuz, Jiu Xing) founders and later rulers of the Uyghur Empire
-    the same sources links exclusively both Uyghurs and Ashina to Tiele, not all Turkic speaking peoples
-    Turks had become a strong power after absorbing about 50,000 households of the Tiele Tribes (which included the later so-called 'Nine Family Names')
-    sometime during early 7th century branch of the Khazar/Qasar clan together with branch of Ashina clan migrated to Eastern Europe and formed independent Khazar Empire
-    remaining part of the Khazar/Qasar Clan as part of Toquz Oghuz alliance destroyed Eastern Gok Turk Empire and formed independent Uyghur Empire
-    after fall of the Yaglakar Royal Dynasty in early 9th century, it has been replaced with the Qasar/Khazar/Ko-Sa Royal Dynasty to rule with the Uyghur Empire
-    the European branch of the Khazar/Qasar Royal Clan accepted Judaism sometime in 8th or 9th century

-      While the plundering of the Roman areas is variously attested (for sources, see Maenchen-Helfen, pp. 38-42), only Priscus (frag. 11) and the Liber Calipharum (Chronicon miscellaneum 3.4; tr., pp. 106-7) report the invasion of the Persian empire. Under the leadership of Basikh and Koursikh, a detachment of Huns rode down the valleys of the Euphrates and Tigris to Ctesiphon. This invasion (395-396/8) included Armenia, Syria, Palestine and Northern Mesopotamia.
Therefore that can be one of the likely source events for Q-L245 in the region.


We believe that evidences strongly suggest conclusion/possibility that minor part of contemporary Ashkenazi people, those with Y-DNA mutations Q-M378,Q-L245, Q-Y2200 (and its various further subclades) are direct progeny of the Xiongnu supreme rulling class through Qasar/Khazar/Kosa historical episode.

We also believe that this genetic pool is not consisted only of Q-M378 and its subclades, but possibly of other haplogroups as well.

This project is open to all and everyone. And it will change/evolve as our knowledge expands. 

This project is not driven and it is not about religion or contemporary ethnos. It is citizen scientific project. It is lineage project. Any opinion and thoughts expressed in the "Activity feed" section do not reflect or represent opinions of the founder of this project or FTDNA as the host of the project.




Refererences:
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Li Hongjie, Y chromosome genetic diversity of ancient population in the Northern China, Jilin
University, 2012.
http://cdmd.cnki.com.cn/Article/CDMD-10183-1012365432.htm
Zhong et al., Extended Y-chromosome investigation suggests post-Glacial migrations of modern
humans into East Asia via the northern route // Molecular Biology and Evolution, First published
online: September 13, 2010, doi: 10.1093/molbev/msq247
Wenjuan Shan et al. (2014) Genetic polymorphism of 17 Y chromosomal STRs in Kazakh and
Uighur populations from Xinjiang, China
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00414-013-0948-y
Y-chromosome lineage in five regional Mongolian populations, Toshimichi Yamamoto, Tomoki sending, Daiki Horiba, Masayoshi Sakuma, Yuuka Kawaguchi, Yuuichi Kano Department of Legal Medicine and Bioethics, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya University, Japan, 2013
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875176813001340
Y chromosomes of ancient Hunnu people and its implication on the phylogeny of East Asian linguistic families. LL. Kang et al., 2013
http://www.ashg.org/2013meeting/abstracts/fulltext/f130120577.htm
Knowing the Xiongnu Culture in Eastern Tianshan Mountain from Tomb Heigouliang and Dongheigou Site at the Beginning of Xihan Dynasty, RenMeng, WangJianXin, 2008
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Some Chinese Sources on the Khazars and Khwarazm, Lin Ying 2004-08-02 19:02:24 阅读 2714 次作者提供,原刊ARCHIVUM EURASIAE MEDII AEVI, 11 (2000-2001), Wiesbaden:Harrassowitz Verlag, 339-364
http://www.eurasianhistory.com/data/articles/m3/695.html
The Research on the Identification Between Tiele and the Oghuric Tribes, Fangyi Cheng
http://www.academia.edu/4314856/The_Research_on_the_Identification_Between_Tiele_and_the_Oghuric_Tribes
Qasar-Qurug: Western Headquarters of the Uighur Khagans and the Problem of Por-Bazhyn Identification, S.G. Klyashtornyi, Institute of Oriental Manuscripts, Russian Academy of Sciences, Dvortsovaya Nab. 18, St. Petersburg, 191186, Russia
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1563011012000724
The Problems Of Uighur (Uygur) Kagan Family //// Uygur Kag an Ailesinin Problemleri, Saadettin Gomec, Hamiyet Sezer
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https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Tiele_people
http://www.eurasianhistory.com/data/articles/m3/695.html#_ftn60
http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Altera/uighurs.html