Phelps

Phelps y-DNA

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DNA test requirement to join our project: 

(For joining instructions scroll down )


·  We require  y-DNA paternal test ordered from FTDNA.  FamilyFinder, mtDNA, and autosomal transfers are not acceptable. If you join with only those tests, you will be removed.   Again, the yDNA testing is the ONLY way to verify which Phelps line your own Phelps belongs to.  There is no other substitution
·  The tested person must be a male whose surname is Phelps (or an acceptable spelling variant) and who considers himself to be a possible biological Phelps descendant.  Those not meeting the surname requirement may be given a temporary membership to allow access to the project although many yDNA matches with Phelps members are available even if you are not a member. 
·  If  you are a female, you can ask a male Phelps relative such as an uncle or a brother to test and then join this project as a proxy for him.  Membership is effectively based on the provided email address(es).
·   If you (either as a male testee or a proxy for a male testee) do NOT have a yDNA test or did not order a yDNA test, please do NOT ask to join this Phelps yDNA project.  You will be denied entry or removed.  This is for members who have taken the yDNA testing or plan to take the yDNA test soon.  Please do not ask to join until you are ready to order one of the yDNA tests.  

It is recommended that for yDNA testing, you do not join other Phelps projects until your results are confirmed in this project. But you may want to review the various various web sites, etc seen on our NEWS tab. 


The project administrators have no financial involvement with FTDNA or any other party. 

 


 
All about joining and/or ordering a yDNA test  Click any of the below

·  What is a paternal test?
·  Privacy concerns
·  How do I join and/or order a yDNA test?  (Currently, please scroll down)
·  What level of yDNA test should I order
·  What happens after I order.
·  After my results are in, what next?  
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Is there a list of related Phelps forums and web sites?

 

What is a paternal test

A paternal test is for a man’s direct paternal lineage line that follows his  father’s paternal ancestry. This line consists entirely of men.  Hisr Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) can trace his father, his father, his father’s father, and so forth. It offers a clear path from him to a known, or likely, direct paternal ancestor. 

 

Privacy concerns are addressed at this FTDNA learning page  There are a number of privacy options you may choose at your FTDNA record.  Special needs can be addressed with help from the project administrator.
 


How do I join and/or order a yDNA test? 
The easiest approach is click the JOIN button on this page.  This approach leads you to the ordering process and often provides a small discount.  If you order directly from
FTDNA at their main site , be sure to also join our project then or later. Other ordering questions are found at FTDNA Ordering a Test  Membership is open to any person associated with the testee. The email addresses in the testee's FTDNA kit record are defined as members..


It is recommended that for yDNA testing, you do not join other Phelps projects until your results are confirmed in this project.  But you may want to review the various various web sites, etc seen on our NEWS tab. 


What level of yDNA test should  I choose: 12, 37, 67 or 111 STR markers?

 FTDNA provides an overview of this at their
Learning Center. (Be sure to click the number of marker choices to see the probabilities.)  In general  37 markers might suffice, and one can always upgrade from one level to another.   Depending on your expected lineage and your objective, some lineages will need 111 and a few  may suffice with less. Order as many as your budget allows.  Upgrades from one level to the other are orderable.  Of special consideration:  For the lines of James of Caswell,  Thomas of Albemarle VA and Felps of Md,  Click for Note1  For New England lines click for note 2
 


What happens after I order?

 FTDNA will give you a private logon and password.  At the time of your joining our project, the project administrator will be notified and you will receive a standard project welcome message.  Usually you receive a brief email from the project admin.  Then, login to ftdna, and explore! 
Review the various options under “Manage  Personal” Information. 
1.  It is very important that you enter your oldest known paternal ancestor, date, and location.  This is found under  Genealogy >  Most Distant ancestor s>  Direct paternal ancestor name.
2.  Under Genealogy
be sure to enter the name of the tested man’s our oldest paternal ancestor, date and location. 
3.  Under Privacy,
be sure to change the “My Ydna results”  default from “Project Members”  to “Anyone”, otherwise anyone, including yourelf must login to ftdna to view you on the FTDNA provided yDNA public pages.
It takes about two months for yDNA results to be reported after being ordered .  This project  administrator probably will not contact you again until the results are in. 
Because around 10% of the tested men are found not to be of their expected lineage,  this administrator recommends that you wait for your results before getting too involved.  (it can be awkward if you don’t match).
 

 
After my results are in, what next?   (revised 1/1/2017)

 
1.  Your FTDNA record will show y-DNA matches and other information by clicking the associated choices in your ftdna record. FTDNA will also notify by email the “preferred/checked” email address on your account.  You should check ydna matches which will indicate those you match well.  Their email address is provided (by clicking an icon)) but not their kit number.  You may want to contact them directly.  Some have uploaded their lineage to ftdna which can be viewed  (you should also)  The administrators are warned NOT to identify kits with people.  So then you may want to self-identify directly on a related forum .
2.  The administrator will use your yDNA matches and a tool he has to place you in an existing lineage on the public FTDNA yDNA pages.  The administrator will contact and guide you to the next step.  You should then see your kit in the assigned group. 
3. 
If you match any of the New England Phelps, you shoud join the New England DNA project  which accepts additional forms of DNA.  It offers an associated  genealogy-ydna site  and related forums and other web sites.  If needed, you may continue to ask ydna questions to this project’s admin
4.
  If you match the Henry/Edwards/Nicholas of the  New England line but are of the the Perquimans, NC branch , this project has a special interest in your ancestry. YSee Note 3A free test is possible.
5.  The remaining tested men will continue to be yDNA guided by this project’s administrator .  A separate optional  yDNA paternal linage site is provided with possible other related forums and web sites.  For some groups, you will be asked to provide a direct paternal lineage to this project's admin, showing name, date and location.
6.  If you match a lineage from Northeast NC, you may want to join a NE NC Phelps Geographical Phelps project which accepts yDNA, Mtdna and autosomal DNA.
7. 
Unmatched new members will be grouped under  Unexpected Matches. 
8.  Don’t forget the Learning Center.  Be familiar with the
Beginner’s Guide and the Expert/s Handbook.  
 



 
Note1  For an expanded explanation, contact this project’s admin:  Sailingdeac AT suddenlink.net  With the introduction of the more advanced and reliable individual mutations called SNPs, a combination of SNP(s) with a reduced marker level of the traditional yDNA test  may be the ticket in some lineages.  As of 2017 this may apply to the related lines of Thomas Felps of Baltimore Co, MD; Thomas Phelps of Albemarle Co, VA, and James Phelps of Caswell Co, NC.  If your budget is limited, it may be possible to test 12 markers only plus specific SNPs at FTDNA or SNPs at  lower cost at Yseq.com  Contact the admin for assistance.  Return

Note2
  For the New England lines,  Contact the New England Phelps project admin.  
Some of the New England Phelps belong to a huge haplogroup of R.  The y12 and y25 tests have too many false positives (usually with men of other surnames) because when surnames were first being taken many men of a given country were related but they did not know it.  Since then the lineages have had identifying markers mutations, but it takes more markers to find the identifying mutations..  This is one reason why  it is necessary to test for y37, y67, or y111.  How many to test depends a great deal on how recent is the common ancestor  (TMRCA)  and the degree of probability desired.  This
ftdna information page should be reviewed for  more insight.  On that page you will need to multiply the reported  generation by your definition of years per generation.  And use caution, observing the TMRCA is stated as WITHIN a number of years.  RETURN

Note3  Technically both Henry and Nicholas belong to a New England Phelps line.  Henry Phelps married his first wife and they had some children.  Their children remained in Massachusetts all their lives. His wife then died.  In the meantime, Nicholas married Hannah Baskell and they had two children Jonathan Phelps and Hannah Phelps.  After Nicholas died,his now widowed wife married his older brother Henry Phelps and they moved to North Carolina with her two children Jonathan and Hannah and helped raised them.  So, even though Henry lived in North Carolina, his children were in New England and never lived in the south. 

·         Check this link https://sites.google.com/site/nicholasphelpsperquimansconc/home.

·        There may be free ydna testing. 







Membership Requirements Further Explanation


This section explains some unusual situations, around 10% of new members.


Requirements for membership in our Phelps project sometimes becomes quite complex with applicant frustration and misunderstanding. To help in understanding the present policy, here is some insight.  The present policy for membership is above.
Since YDNA identifies the paternal ancestry, regardless of surname, IMO, YDNA projects would have been better served as identified by YDNA only, no surnames. But since FTDNA and genealogy have organized around surnames, we often find it difficult to define membership.
I have found there are four possible situations where membership is requested:

    YDNA matches with a tested Phelps line, surname claimed is Phelps
    YDNA does not match any tested Phelps line, surname claimed is not Phelps
    YDNA matches with a tested Phelps line, surname claimed is not Phelps
    YDNA does not match any tested Phelps line, surname claimed is Phelps

 The first two possibilities are easily handled:
    YDNA matches with a tested Phelps line, surname claimed is Phelps. The ydna kit is made part of the project and a brief genealogy is posted. Genealogy issues are discussed among the related members.
    YDNA does not match any other tested Phelps line, surname claimed is not Phelps. Applicant is usually found in another surname project. Membership is usually brief to confirm the lack of a match. 

The next two situations are more difficult:
    The claimed line does NOT point to a Phelps line that has already been identified by a sufficient number of other tested Phelps: Membership is granted creating a new Phelps line.
    The claimed line points to a Phelps line that has already been identified by a sufficient number of tested Phelps who have agreed to their genealogy: This situation has cause much disappointment, often to those who have researched genealogy for many years. It can be quite devastating and if additional testing is done to find the apparent "Non-Paternity Event" it can even lead to recent ancestors. It may involve other surnames who are not interested in finding which of their relatives were involved. These people should join the other surname project. If desired, Phelps membership is shown under "Unmatched Phelps", with a genealogy if requested.