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News - Kipp DNA study
26 Nov 2014
The Kipp yDNA study has a new set of results for thedescendants of Hendrick Hendrickson Kip. There are now two testers at 67markers and their only differences are in the CDYa/b values. Each one is onedifferent hence giving a 65/67 match for both. A third member has tested to 37markers and he too has a difference at CDYa/b only with a match to one testeron CDYa and a match to the second tester on CDYb. What can we learn from thistesting? The three men share a most recent common ancestor in the time frame ofpublished history. A 65/67 match tends to be thought of as a 50% probability ofa common ancestry within six generations and 90% probability within 12generations (but reduced to about 10 generations because everyone is descendant of Hendrick Hendrickson Kip). The hypothetical thought would be if the third person tested to 67markers and he matched both of these men at 66/67 markers then this probabilitywould be 50% at 4 generations and 90% probability in 8 generations.
Encouraging other Kipp family members to test would addgreatly to the information on the Kip/Kipp family descendant of HendrickHendrickson Kip. The slightly differing CDYa/b results could lead to separationof the descendants of the three sons of Hendrick Hendrickson Kip namely JacobKip, Hendrick Kip and Isaac Kip. For those who are brickwalled in the mid tolate 1700s with their Kip/Kipp line having such a complete yDNA study of theKip/Kipp family would be of great assistance to them. For those able to tracetheir line back to Hendrick Hendrickson Kip the value is in learning your deepancestry.
In the past couple of years the study of autosomal DNA hasproven to also give good results within family groupings. The Family Findertest at FT DNA reveals matching blocks in the 22 autosomal chromosomes. Threemembers of this group have tested Family Finder (two descendant of a femaleKipp line and the other of a male Kipp line). This test can assist both maleand female testers in the Kipp line providing a sufficient number carry out thetest.
7 Apr 2013
Information on the Ancestry of Hendrick Hendricksen (Kip) the Founder of the Kip Family in New Amsterdam
Hendrick Hendricksen (Kip) was born about 1600 in Niewenhuys as recorded in the Book of Betrothals in Amsterdam, Netherlands. [Series of Baptism – Marriage and Burial Registers in Amsterdam No. 629-fo. 43.V.]. On April 20, 1624, Heyndrik Heyndrixsz of Niewenhuys, 24 years of age, was betrothed to Tryntie Lubberts from Swoll (Zwoll), 25 years of age, orphan. Tyrntie was born about 1599. [History of the Kip Family in America, by Frederic Ellsworth Kipp, 1928.]
Searching marriages from FamilySearch.org we find that Henrick Henrixsz(en) married Trijntje Lubberts on May 5, 1624 at Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. [Indexing Project No. M01225-2. Source Film No. 113358.] [Indexing Project No. M90102-1. Source Film No. 113364
Various books printed between 1848 and 1928 give a brief history of the De Kype family from Ruloff De Kype born in 1510 up to the Hendrick De Kype born in 1576. This Hendrick De Kype is supposed to have taken part in the Company of Foreign Countries. It is said he also married Margaret De Marneil and came to New Amsterdam with his family in 1635.
A search of the internet for the names De Kype and De Marneil bring forward miscellaneous references to The Kip Family in America book plus others which have no relevance to us. So I do not know where these names came from.
None of the books, a list of which is provided in the bibliography provides a source for this information. The first mention of this is contained in American Genealogy, by Jerome B. Holgate, p. 109, 1848 and The Pictorial Field-Book of the Revolution, by Benson J. Lossing. Vol. II, p. 81, 1852.
All subsequent books or publications cite these two sources, with an attempt to correct some of the lineage by Edwin R. Purple in Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey, 1877.
Early records of New Amsterdam and New York often refer to Hendrick Hendricksen, the tailor or snyer or snyder. There was a second Hendrick the tailor in New Amsterdam as well, who was Hendrick Janszen Snyder. This man was the father of Catalyntje Hendricks Snyers who married Isaac Hendricksen Kip a son of Hendrick Hendricksen.
According to Fredric E Kipp, in his book on page 19 there is a reference to the Records of Old West India Company, No. 14, LXXV fol. 90 vo, as follows.
The Minutes of the Directors of Amsterdam, Holland, record that “Henrick Henricksen Snijder requests for account of Henrick Jansen Snijder according to the bill of exchange, dated Aug. 15, 1635 and signed by Wouter van Twiller and Martin Gerritsen, the amount of 326 gilders, 19 stivers, 8 pennies.”
His request was referred to the Commissioners for New Netherland. Thus he was living in Amsterdam before 1636. (I have not seen this reference.)
The Manatus Map made in 1639, shows the Plantation of the tailor as No. 45 on the map. Fredric E Kip has speculated that this is Henrdick Hendricksen Kip. Stokes in The Iconography of Manhattan Island 1498 to 1909, New York, 1956, in the section dealing with The Manatus Maps The First Survey of Manhattan Island 1639 does not indicate who Snyder or the Tailor was. On this tract of land the village of New Harlem was laid out.
On April 28, 1643 Hendrick obtained a patent for a lot east of the fort on Bridge Street near Whitehall where he erected a house and shop. In 1647 he was chosen as one of the first Board of "Nine Men" to act as Governing Tribunal for New Amsterdam. Apparently he was satirically called "Hendrick Kip of the haughty lip" because he was strong and fearless. He also held office again in 1649 and 1650. He was appointed a Grand Schepen on Feb. 2, 1656, and on April 11, 1657 he was admitted to the Rights of a Great Burgher. Thus he took an important part in the government of New Amsterdam. After New Amsterdam was surrendered, he took the Oath of Allegiance to the English in October 1664.
His will (found in the Kip Family papers, Manuscript Division, New York Public Library) apparently was never officially recorded. It was drawn by notary Willem Bogardus. Since both will and accounting cite the notary, it seems likely that Bogardus, who was city treasurer 1680-85 and later postmaster of New York province, entrusted the papers to Hendrick's son Jacob, especially since Jacob, who served five terms as city schepen, aided in administering the estate. His 7800 guilder estate was a substantial one for that time period. Will dated Feb. 2, 1671; Codicil dated Aug. 4, 1680; Estate accounting March 8, 1686.
Many books (from 1848 to 1928) give him an ancestry with the surname De Kype. None of these books provide a source for this information and the current maintainer of thKip/Kipp Family in America database has found no evidence to indicate it is true. It would appear his Dutch surname was Hendricksen or Henrixsz or Henrixsen and that sometime between when he arrived in New Amsterdam about 1637 and March 1643 he assumed the surname Kip. This could be described as a "dit" name, since there were several others in New Amsterdam and New England with the surname Hendricksen and also another tailor Hendrick Jansen Snyder, sometimes referred to as Hendrick the tailor.
This conclusion is supported by a recently found reference in a 1909 book “History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century,” by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. In Chapter VII she talks about variations in names used in New Amsterdam and she comments “For instance, the first bearer of a name now honorably known in many parts of America was a tailor whose signature for years was Hendrick Hendricksen but afterwards Hendrick Hendricksen Kip – kip meaning a hen or the band that ties a bundle of dried fish.”
However, the family has used the surname Kip or Kipp since about 1643 so I do not think we are about to change.
American Genealogy, Being A History of Some of the Early Settlers of North America and Their Descendants, from Their First Emigration to the Present Time, & Etc. By Jerome B. Holgate. Albany, NY: Joel Munsell. 1848.
The Pictorial Field-Book of the Revolution & etc. By Benson J. Lossing. In two volumes. Vol. II. New York, NY: Harper & Brothers, Publishers. 1851.
Manual of the Corporation of the City of New York, for 1852. By D.T. Valentine. New York, NY: George P. Putnam. 1852.
Cyclopedia of American Literature & etc. By Evert A. Duyckinck and George L. Duycjinck. In two volumes. Vol. II. New York, NY: Charles Scribner. 1866.
Historical Notes of the Family of Kip of Kipsburg and Kip’s Bay, New York. Privately printed. Albany, NY: Joel Munsell. 1871.
Contributions to the History of the Kip Family of New York and New Jersey. By Edwin R. Purple. New York, NY: Privately Printed. 1877.
American Family Antiquity. By Albert Welles. Vol. II. Kip Family. New York, NY: American College for Genealogical Registry and Heraldry. 1881.
Contributions to the History of Ancient Families of New Amsterdam and New York. By Edwin R. Purple. With additions by Samuel S. Purple. New York, NY: Privately Printed. 1881.
Abstract of Title of Kip’s Bay Farm in the City of New York, & etc. Also Early History of the Kip Family and The Genealogy as Refers to the Title. By John J. Post. New York, NY: S. Victor Constant. 1894.
Famous Families of New York. & etc. Vol. I. By Margherita Arlina Hamm. New York, NY: G.P. Putnam’s Sons. 1902.
History of New Netherland or New York Under the Dutch. Vol. I. Second Edition. By E.B. O’Callaghan. New York, NY: D. Appleton & Co. 1855.
History of New Netherland or New York Under the Dutch. Vol. II. Second Edition. By E.B. O’Callaghan. New York, NY: D. Appleton & Co. 1855.
Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New-York; Procured in Holland, England and France. Vol. I. By John Romeyn Brodhead. Edited by E.B. O’Callaghan. Albany, NY: Weed. Parson and Co., Printers. 1856.
Transcripts of Documents in the Royal Archives of The Hague. Holland Documents: VIII – XVI. 1657-1678.
Transcripts of Documents in the Queen’s State Paper Office. London Documents: I – VIII. 1614-1692.
Original Narratives of Early American History. Narratives of New Netherland 1609-1664. Edited by J. Franklin Jameson. New York, NY: Charles Scribner’s Sons. 1909.
History of the City of New York in the Seventeenth Century, by Mrs. Schuyler Van Rensselaer. Vol. 1, New Amsterdam. The MacMillan Co. New York. 1909.
History of the Kip Family in America. By Frederic Ellsworth Kip. Assisted by Margarita Lansing Hawley. 1928.
3 September 2010
Two members are matching 64/67 and have ancestry back to Pennsylvania and Germany. Research will indicate if these two are descendants of one of the three Kipp males who arrived in Pennsylvania in the 1750s. Interestingly they also have the null value at 425. Current thought is that this null value is found in the R1b group that centres around Amsterdam and in a 100 mile radius of that city tracing back several hundred years ago. Both the Kipp family of Germany that is now matching 64/67 and the Kip family of France are sharing this particular allele value. However they are separated by a GD >14 as they do not share the same results on 14 allele values.
30 January 2009
The newest member of our group is from a European Kipp line where the tester's ancestors to this present day have remained in Europe. According to the submitter, this line has roots in Trier (Germany) and appears in Nurenberg in 1583 and by the 1700s they are living in The Netherlands. Johannes Petrus Kipp is the first known ancestor in this line (b c 1720). His haplogroup of I1 is found frequently in the Germanic States particularly in the western half of present day Germany.
26 November 2008
The newest result is most interesting as we now have three distinct Kipp founders - two are R1b1b2 and one is I2a. However the two R1b1b2 Kipp families match each other only 10 out of 12 and 29 out of 37 markers, which means that they are not related. Reviewing the information on the IGI (International Genealogical Index) reveals that there are Kipp families found in Germany (in Prussia and in Wurtemburg), in The Netherlands, in France, in Switzerland, and in England (these groups appear to be the largest with Germany having
the greatest number of entries).
The first Kipp (de Kype, Kip) emigrant to the present day USA came in 1635 to New Amsterdam (now New York City ). Three Kipp families emigrated to the state of Pennsylvania , USA in the 1750s as mentioned below.
Encouraging more Kipp family members to test will help to clarify these founder families.
I am awaiting results of my upgrade to 67 markers and will have more to say when that is received. Analyzing the results that have been obtained for the de Kype family that emigrated to New Amsterdam (now New York City ) in 1635, this family line has three significant values that may lead to more information on our deep ancestry
DYS426 = 13
DYS449 = 27
GATA H4 = 12
Comparing these results with 300 other R1b1b2g-U106+ results, this particular surname is the only one that has these allele values at these particular DNA Y Segments (DYS). Two members of the study are able to trace their ancestry back to the emigrant de Kype family of New Amsterdam and they are a perfect match on the first distinctive 12 markers thus giving support to this particular set of markers as definitive for this particular line. As more results are obtained for this family line we may be able to differentiate between the three sons of the original emigrant since two members of the group have differences at CDYa/b (known to be a rapidly changing marker). The DYS426 and GATA H4 are known to be
very slow moving markers which lets us use them as "marker" alleles for the de Kype family. DYS449 is rated as a fast moving marker.
We welcome all Kipp/Kip descendants (in the male line) to join the study to test the y-chromosome to help define the Kipp/Kip families located around the world.
One of the goals of the study was to determine how many founder Kip/Kipp families there are in the world. Thus far we have two distinct lines belonging to the haplogroups I and R in subclades I2a and R1b1b2g .
A second goal of the study was to bring together the various branches of the Kip family that first settled at New Amsterdam (now New York City) in 1635. Three of the members of the Kipp DNA study have matched exactly on 12 markers. At 37 markers two members have matched 35/37. Mutations have appeared in the two fast moving markers CDYa and CDYb (red on the chart). Mutations in these two markers are quite common in family studies and often assist in separating descendant lines. One member of the study has a paper trail back to Hendrick Hendricksen Kip (b c 1600) and he is a descendant of Hendrick’s son Isaac Hendrickson Kip (b 10 Jan 1627). The two members who match 35/37 are at a minimum 7th cousins and to see the closeness of the match is quite intriguing.
Emigration and Census details for Kipp families
Denization was completed for the de Kype (Kip/Kipp) family line (that emigrated to New Amsterdam in 1635 from Leyden, Holland) in New York City following the successful British takeover in the 1660s.
In the 1700s there were three individuals who signed the Oath of Allegiance in Pennsylvania as new Kipp emigrants from Germany:
Michael Kipp departed 13 Oct 1749 from Rotterdam on the Lydia
Johan Henrich Kipp departed 1752 from Rotterdam on the Louisa
Johannes Kipp departed 3 Oct 1753 from Rotterdam on the Louisa
Kip(p) family of New York
The number of Kip/Kipp descendants of the New York family were numerous by the 1790 census and they are not listed here but a listing of the descendants of Hendrick Hendricksen Kip can be reviewed in a *.pdf file located on the Kipp DNA Study Administrator’s webpage http://email@example.com/kipfam.htm . For Kit #18407, his ancestor Isaac Kipp (b 1764) is likely listed on the 1790 census at Northeast Town, Dutchess County with his wife Hannah Mead living next door/with Jonathan Mead (her possible father). On the 1800 census (taken in August 1800) Isaac Kipp, his wife Hannah and four of their five sons are likely found at Rensselaerville and they are known to be in Upper Canada by October 1800 as they applied for land as settlers, were naturalized and their first daughter Elizabeth was born there in November 1800.
Census in Pennsylvania 1790
Henry Kipp, Donegal Lancaster PA – 3 males 16 and over and 2 females
Henry Kips, Dauphin PA – 2 males 16 and over, 1 male under 16 and 2 females
John Kip, Whitehall Northampton PA – 1 male 16 and over, 3 males under 16 and 3 females
John Kip, Mixed Township York PA – 1 male 16 and over, 3 males under 16 and 6 females