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Wade Kotter Wade Kotter
June 6 @ 12:03pm
I'm a bit surprised that this information on the Father's Day sale has not been posted here yet. This sale runs through Monday, June 17th.
Tiger Mike Walsh
June 6 @ 6:02pm
These are good prices. If at possible please consider getting to Big Y700. We have huge tree of 16,000 branches marked by 118,000 variants (SNPs). This mostly from Big Y testing over the years. If you want your own line of Y SNPs discovered and documented, this is the way to do it. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/A
Johannes Weyers Johannes Weyers
3 hours ago
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Johannes Weyers
3 hours ago
--and so I have more results with more confusion ! Negative Z381 >> M323 , Z156 .Z301 all negative !! So Now ? Do I climb a tree out of frustration ?
Johannes Weyers Johannes Weyers
Yesterday at 2:03am
Is there a correlation with ancient germanic tribes and y-dna ? Interesting to see if there is a connection !
Johannes Weyers
20 hours ago
Would one find a definitive "Frankish " y-dna or a "Belgae" tribe y-dna or "Suevi" haplogroup ?
Ryan Bechtel
17 hours ago
I'm not aware of any correlations. There's certainly a lack of ancient DNA, and modern DNA to draw any valid conclusions for any Germanic tribe. I'm not even sure if the tribes were homogenous or heterogenous wrt YDNA after the bronze age? I suppose if you squint, and ignore the small sample size, you *could* see that R-BY38964 and its subclades all have EKAs (from a few hundred years ago), exclusively born in what was once called Austrasia (original Frankish areas). But BY38964 is ~4500 yr old and a lot can happen between 2500 BCE, 100 CE, 800 CE and 1700 CE. R-L51(xL151) sublcades are pretty rare and they generally overlap with R-L151. There's no ancient DNA that shows them to be a distinct group and I'd be reluctant to associate R-L51(xL151) with any distinct cultures. So even if BY38964 were once Franks, they likely weren't the dominant Frankish haplogroup. You could look at other small sample subclades and come to similar "conclusions", but the same underlying uncertainty mentioned above would apply.
Johannes Weyers
4 hours ago
@ryan . Well put ! I am R-L51(xL151) but not Z156 >L48 --- more results NEGATIVE Z381>M323, Z301 ? SO lost in space ! !Agree with your theory/hypothesis. Even the "vikings" had no real single snp/ haplogroup consisting of Q ,R1a,R1b,I2 ,I1 and G2. It appears even the hunnic invaders were an admixture of different tribes
Harry Himmelreich (c/- Suzanne) Harry Himmelreich (c/- Suzanne)
June 7 @ 11:26pm
I would like an opinion on these results. Harry has no Himmelreich matches, it would appear that he has an NPE, or name change for some reason. Also, I cannot find any records for his great grandfather Ernst in Germany. The only record we have of his birth is anecdotal, supposedly in Bavaria in about 1820. I have found Himmelreichs with similar names in Dresden, but nothing concrete. Ernst went to Lithuania maybe before his son Wilhelm was born in about 1875. I have a YFull report I will post separately, Suzanne
Harry Himmelreich (c/- Suzanne)
June 8 @ 3:54am
@Johannes, Harry has hundreds of matches at 12 markers, nothing remotely like Himmelreich, also none at FF. I have looked at names that are similar, still nothing. He has only about 3 in Germany, but hundreds in Poland, Finland, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia etc. Many are Jewish, I wonder if the family changed to Lutheran and changed their name as well?
Johannes Weyers
20 hours ago
@suzanne ! Hi ! A bit like me y-dna only match surname Sapp and on Family Finder more than 50 % "jewish" CAPLANor Kaplan my mist likely surname not Weyers ! It makes a bit unbalanced all this new info bombarding one .
Johannes Weyers
20 hours ago
--but at least these "jewish " surnames are right according to my aunt age 93 ! For me at least their is a lot of confirmation of my ancestors with FF .
Rimma Vedom Rimma Vedom
Yesterday at 10:33pm
Hallow everybody! I'm trying to find my father genealogy branch. His family name in German transcription is Wedam. I have already found Hans Wedam of 1749 in Estonian archive. That was in the first census made in Estland made in 1782 by Russian Empire after Northern War ended in 1721. There is no more earlier records in Estonia archive, but they might be in the German or Swedish archives for Estland territory. I am actually curious of origin of the family name Wedam and name Hans. I have found in one source that the name Hans as the first name or given name has appeared in 14-th century and originates from the trade league Hansa, which means guard, protection. Does anybody know anything more about those names origin and has some info about possible online search in any archive? Thanks in advance
Stephen Ollinger Stephen Ollinger
June 12 @ 4:47pm
So, my results came in but have no idea what anything means, can anyone help me start the analysis? thanks!!
Wade Kotter
June 12 @ 5:58pm
Stephen, you are predicted to belong to the R-M269 branch of R1b. This is the most common branch of R1b in Europe but it is also found in Siberia, Central Asia and down into Iran, Pakistan and Northern India. Because of this wide distribution we really can't use it as proof that your ancestors came from Germany but that is certainly a possibility. R-M269 is currently estimated to have been formed around 13,000 years ago and has hundreds of known downstream branches. In order to confirm you position downstream of R-M269 and possibly narrow things geographically, you will need to do SNP testing of some sort. I'm not familiar enough with the R-M269 branch to make any recommendations beyond pointing out that upgrading to Big Y-700 would give you all the information currently possible to get about your direct paternal line. For the best possible recommendations if Big Y-700 is not a possibility at this time I strongly suggest that you join the R1b project; they are the experts on this branch: https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join?group=R1b& Regarding your next steps with you y37 results, take a look at your yDNA matches at the Y37 level. If you're lucky you might have a surname match or two (look for variant spellings of Ollinger) at a close genetic distance. You might also have close matches with different surnames. You might find these FAQs from FTDNA helpful in interpreting your matches: https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/understanding-y-dna-matches/ https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/y-str/expected-relationship-match/ If you have one or more close matches that appear, based on the above chart, to be related in relatively recent genealogical time, the next step is to contact them and ask if they are willing to compare what they know about their family tree with what you know of yours. Be aware, however, that it's not uncommon to have zero surname matches at the y37 or lower levels or even no matches at all at y37. (I have no matches above the y25 level). Perhaps the most likely reason for this is that no one else on your direct paternal line has tested at FTDNA. If, on the other hand, you have more than one close match who share a surname that doesn't match yours, you need to consider the possibility of a surname switch in your line or possibly their line. Unfortunately, I can't see your yDNA matches so I can only give you this general advice, although if you have specific questions about one or more of your matches I'd be willing to give it a try.
Stephen Ollinger
June 12 @ 6:05pm
Thanks!! I will start that work and let you know!
Dennis Symer Dennis Symer has a question!
June 5 @ 1:47am
Anyone have Pickelsimer,Picklesimer,Bechtelheimer,Becklehimer,Hymer or similar surname in their tree?
Ryan Bechtel
June 5 @ 9:26am
I don't have any "heim" or "heimer" suffixes in my tree. The suffix 'er' means "from". 'Heim' is "house". Many towns are named after homsteads of old nobles or knights. Spellings can change phonetically over time. As an example, Bechtelheimer would mean "From the town of Bechtolsheim". Some families dropped the suffixes over time, so Bechtelheimer could become Bechtel. With that said, I don't know of any specific examples of that happening with Bechtels, but its been known to happen with other surnames.
Dennis Symer
June 8 @ 2:45am
Thanks Ryan, your response has been very informative.
Jamie Dohn Jamie Dohn has a question!
June 5 @ 3:32am
Hello, My family name is Dohn and we have traced our male lineage back to the Rhineland-Pfalz area as early as the end of the 1700s. My ancestor emigrated from there to North America (eventually southern Ontario, Canada) in 1837. The paper trail that we have managed to access hits a brick wall past his parents in the area of Kirchhiembolanden. He was a protestant, and a farmer. * I have not done the big Y test (just the Y37) but recently received results from the G-L497 v2 SNP pack, which has assigned me as far as G-Z727 (which I believe is also labelled G-Z1816). So far, I have not had any Y DNA matches past 12 STRs. I have a few questions I hope someone might help me with to get me started, though. I’ve noticed the name Dohn is not very common, but there are quite a few (relatively speaking) in Denmark as well as Germany. Does anyone know what might explain the name Dohn (I don’t even know what it means, or how it’s derived) being represented to this degree in Denmark as well as west of the Rhine river in Germany? Is there a lot of overlap in German and Danish surnames? Please forgive my cultural/historical/linguistic ignorance! I have no ‘paper trail’ connection to Denmark that I’m aware of. Autosomal reports also generally give me low percentages of “German DNA”, if any at all (my mother and paternal grandmother have largely Scottish/Northern Irish and some English background). Scandinavian does show up in the DNA ancestry reports, but I understand this might just be a problem with sampling. The G-Z727 subclade does seem to cluster along the Rhine to a significant degree, according to the Y-DNA SNP map on this site. Also, does anyone have an idea what ‘Dohn’ might mean or if it’s possible this name is derived from some other name I might investigate for a possible relationship? I’m sure readers of the forum probably see these types of questions all the time, but I couldn’t resist trying. Thanks, Jamie *One snag we have run into is that what appeared to be a possible breakthrough in birth records lists people that are Catholic, suggesting (I assume) that they are improbable candidates. Does anyone know how likely it is that a religious conversion would have taken place in that time/location?
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Wade Kotter
June 7 @ 12:34pm
I just noticed that Johannes mentioned that Ludwig Döhne was born near Kassel. If he is indeed related to Jamie then the Kassel area might be a good place to start since the surname Döhne is common in Kassel today. According to the Wikipedia page Karl George cited, Sophie von Dönhoff had two children by King Frederick William II of Prussia, but Rev. Ludwig Döhne is not one of them. Sophie's father was Friedrich Wilhelm von Dönhoff, so Dönhoff is another variation to look into: http://geogen.stoepel.net/legacy.html?q=D%C3%B6nhoff Notice that the surname Dönhoff is most commonly found today in North Rhine-Westphalia! I assume that Hoff is related to the modern German word Hof, which I believe can have meanings similar to English yard/courtyard/court/farmyard/farm. German speakers, please correct me if I'm wrong.
László Varsányi
June 8 @ 4:02am
I think legends are always important. Sometimes they inherit from father to son. Worth a walk in many cases true. Sometimes it is a mistake. You can only know the truth if you look at it. In my family have too a legend.
Jamie Dohn
June 8 @ 5:20am
Wow, thanks for all the responses. I didn't expect this much input, frankly. The possible 'breakthrough' that I had been skeptical about was a Catholic Christening record for a Philippus Dohn (another difficulty I'm sure many of you are familiar with is the tracking of the same person with different spellings, sometimes using 'first names' and sometimes 'middle names', sometimes in Latin, etc...) in Erbes Buedesheim, Rheinhessen, Hesse-Darmstadt. That would potentially be my great-great-great grandfather. It's a different area than where Valentine (my immigrant ancestor, who would potentially be this man's son) came from, but it isn't terribly far away. Between the religion aspect and the fact that there were already seemingly Dohns in the Kirchheimbolanden area (the general area Valentine grew up in) that might potentially make more sense as an ancestral group, plus sometimes encountering information that Valentine's father's 'real name' was Johannes, but he went by Philipp, all give me pause about this individual -- but it's the best I've come up with in terms of records that match the right names and time frames. There were certainly Mennonites connecting to the family by marriage, later on, but I don't think I have any direct Mennonite ancestors (that we know of). I'd have to double check. As for Jewish, it certainly isn't in the paper records so far (or family lore-- they definitely identified themselves as protestants, by the time I entered the picture). My autosomal DNA reports don't generally include any indication of it, but my understanding is that not all companies report that. FTDNA reported a <1% possible 'trace' of Sephardic ancestry, but there was a caveat that, at this level of certainty, it might just be 'noise.' I need to reincarnate as a German history/language scholar. ;-) Anyway, thanks for all of the input and suggestions! PS, Johannes, you mentioned that I seem to be related to this historical character and his haplogroup was G -- can you point me to where you got this DNA info?
Martijn Niekus
June 8 @ 11:31am
Jamie, for all I know (no source) the religion change rate is about 4 percent per generation. Conversely, that means one in every 25 generations, and theoretically I take with equal distribution or change. In practice, we may imagine changes to appear in periods of upheaval, whether religious, or war impacts. In my tree I see two specific changes. One ( and I suspect another) from Jewish to Roman Catholic and another form Dutch Reformed to Roman Catholic, while several generations downstream the line goes back to Reformed. The first two changes were driven by circumstance, the last and more recent by chance, meaning whomever crosses your path (and under I'd say more "relaxed" religious perceptions). Best, ...
Harry Himmelreich (c/- Suzanne) Harry Himmelreich (c/- Suzanne)
June 7 @ 11:33pm
If the TMRCA is even 400 years, I would think I could find something. I have searched every website I can find, and put the results where I can. GEDBAS looks promising. Apart from paying a researcher, does anyone have any good ideas?
David Andress David Andress
June 4 @ 9:55pm
Kit # 518709 SNP R-Y88208. Does this come from the German regions, or is it more towards the British Islands? Trying to determine where to concentrate my research. Last Name is Andress
Jay Kemp
June 5 @ 8:49am
Try entering your SNP into this new tool. Recommend clicking on the home icon in the upper left corner to learn about what this all means. http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html
Timothy Martin Timothy Martin
June 3 @ 8:16am
Hello, My name is Tim Martin kit # B459802. Has anone heard if an organization called American Historical Society of Germans from Russia American Historical Society of Germans from Russia 631 D Street, Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 402-474-3363 http://www.ahsgr.org Terms of use The AHSGR Research Library has extensive genealogical holdings on Germans from Russia. Please contact the Library for additional information.
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Wade Kotter
June 3 @ 11:26am
Timothy, why not just contact the library as it suggests on the card? The AHSGR is, from what I've heard from various sources, a legitimate and respected organization. The card itself seems to be a reference to a copy of an obituary for your grandfather from the Greeley Tribute. It's inclusion in the library suggests that someone believes that Jimmie Henderson may have ancestral connections on one of his lines to German immigrants who came to the U.S. from Russia. Just because Jimmie's parent's surnames are Henderson and Kelly does not mean they can't have Russian German ancestry on one or both of their lines.
Glenn Wishard
June 3 @ 9:56pm
Hi Tim, not sure if you are looking for more resources, but the Germans from Russia project at NDSU also has a great deal of information since so many Germans from Russia landed in the Dakotas. Great folks and tons of info https://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/
Bill Dietrich (administered by Robert Kelly Dazet)
June 4 @ 10:43am
Hi Tim, My mother's ancestors were Germans from Russia and I am a member of the Germans from Russia Heritage Society, of Bismark ND. Please feel free to ask any questions you have have or go the the site various sites mentioned in this thread. What information specifically are you looking for? What is the significance of the attached funeral card? Don't see a German name there, though I personally have a Margaret Kelly of New Orleans in my tree. That is a very common Irish name.