I1>Z63+ and I1>Z59+

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About us

The I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ project focuses on the investigation of the Z58+ and Z63+ subgroups of the I1 Haplogroup and evolved from the former"I1 RecLOH - YCAII a,b = 21,21" Project.  This project is now SNP-based, and to participate you need to have tested positive for either Z58 (Z58+) or Z63 (Z63+), or any of their downstream SNP's. Terminal SNPs are in bold below:  


*M253 > DF29

*M253 > DF29 > Z63

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > S11542

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > BY62

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078 > PR683

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078 > PR683 > L1237

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078 > PR683 > S10360/S17023/S26266

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078 > PR683 > S10360/S17023/S26266 > S15301

*M253 > DF29 > Z63 > ChrY22305998 > L849.2 > S2078 > PR683 > S10360/S17023/S26266 > L1242, L1243, L1244 (Currently considered to be Private SNPs)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z138/Z139

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z138/Z139 > L211
(Private SNP)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z138/Z139 > Z2541

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z138/Z139 > PF2364

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > PF856

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > Z2040/Z2041 (Z2040 & Z2041 currently thought to be phyloequivalent)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > Z2040/Z2041 > Z2038

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > Z2040/Z2041 > Z2038 > Z2037/Z382  (Z2037 and Z382 currently thought to be phyloequivalent)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > Z2040/Z2041 > Z2038 > Z2037/Z382 > Z2042

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62
> Z2539 / CTS7362

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362 > Z73

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539  / CTS7362 > Z73 > L1301

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539  / CTS7362 > Z73 > L1301 > Z1302

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362  > L573

* M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362 > L1248

*M253 > DF29  > Z58 > Z59> CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362  > L1248>L1247, L803

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362  > L1248>L1247, L803>L802
(Private SNP)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z2539 / CTS7362  > PF3158

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141> Z2535

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 > Z2535 > YSC0000261

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 > Z2535 > YSC0000261 > L338

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 >Z2535> Z2536

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 >Z2535> Z2537
 
*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 >Z2535> Z2538

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 > L592 (Private SNP)

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141 > F2642

*M253 > DF29 > Z58 > Z59 > CTS8647 / Z2894 > Z60/Z61/Z62 > Z140/Z141> F2642 > F2735


Eligibility

You are welcome to join this Project if you tested positive or are a close relative of someone who has tested positive for any of the SNPs shown on the tree above. ('Close relative' means you match the SNP tester within FTDNA's 37, 67 or 111-marker match parameters.


Mailing List

Once you join the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, you will be invited to join our private Mailing List at Yahoo. If you do not receive an invitation promptly, please contact one of the admins.

 

Z58+ and Z63+ Surname SNP Trees and Maps

Google Maps and Surname SNP Trees with kit numbers, surnames, and most distant ancestors' places of origin will be provided for participants. The SNP trees will be narrow and focused directly downstream of Z58+ and Z63+. The Surname SNP Trees will be updated regularly and should help illuminate which, if any, downstream SNPs are available to test next. We also hope, over time, that the visual presentation will assist members researching historical origins as well as more recent connections.


WTY and Geno 2.0

Y-DNA genealogical investigation is supported by two main piers: STR markers (short tandem repeats, such as DYS393) and SNPs. Whenever looking at a Y-DNA match,one should first make sure they share the same terminal SNP (belong to the same subgroup). Only then should one look at STRs for tMRCA calculations with genealogical purposes, because STR similarities alone are often deceiving. As SNP mutations are rare, sharing a series of SNPs means two or more individuals also share a common ancestor. The age of the mutation that led to the SNP indicates the earliest time-frame a Most Recent Common Ancestor may have lived. In other words, the younger an SNP and the smaller the number of individuals who share it, the more useful it will be to genealogical research, as it will be closer to (or within) the genealogical period, ie, after surnames started to be used in Europe.

For this reason, this Project has initiated joint efforts to allow the participation of members in programs such as 'Walk Through the Y' (WTY).  WTY is a program by FT DNA's Thomas Krahn, which focuses on the discovery of new SNPs. The main goal is to further the knowledge of Y-DNA subgroups by discovering "tree nodes" that lead to separate, younger branches of the Y-tree. Click here for more information on WTY.  The closer we get to the tip of the branch, the more applicable the knowledge to one's genealogical investigation. Our WTY initiatives have already benefited our research through the discovery of SNPs L802, L803,L1247, L1248, L1237, L1242, L1243 and L1244.  

The introduction of the new Geno 2.0 test offered by FTDNA's partner, the Genographic Project, heralds a change from WTY focus.  Geno 2.0 is a much more affordable product than WTY, and going forward, Family Tree DNA recommend testing Geno 2.0 first, before applying to them for WTY tests. WTY may still be necessary in the search for new SNPs in some of our sectors and FTDNA have advised that they will consider WTY applications on a case by case basis.

Apart from the other components in the test, Geno2.0 will test 12,000 Y-SNPs - 10,000 of them new. FTDNA's CEO Bennett Greenspan stated:"The new SNPs will provide, for almost everyone, one or two additional clades (subhaplogroups) down the tree from where they are located today.  For some people, these will reach into a genealogical timeframe, connecting their SNPs and their STR data.  The STR tests will then be used to further augment the Geno 2.0 SNP tests for genealogical comparisons within families."

Geno 2.0may be ordered at: http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=2001246&gsk&code=MR20944

Please contact the project administrators if you have any questions.