I-P109 Y-DNA

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Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:38am
The current tree, in a simplified version!
Nicolas Taban
June 30, 2017 @ 2:26am
This is 2 years old! I struggle in keeping up the pace to update graphics!
Jim Cumings - Whitaker
July 1, 2017 @ 9:42pm
Thanks for all your work on this Nicolas.
Samuel Newcomb
January 28, 2018 @ 7:51am
Regarding the Wood family, my brother matches 15 Woods on the 12 marker dna test, but none after that. My Paternal Great Grandfather's parents are unknown.
David Reid
April 18, 2018 @ 12:19am
Any further update on the FGC21732? Do I need to test for CTS8407 or Y14222 ??
Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:39am
the tree below S14887:
David Scoggins
September 27, 2017 @ 8:13am
Would Geno 2 get deep subclade results?
David Greeley
December 12, 2017 @ 6:26am
Nicolas, do you have a more recent subclade tree that further maps the I-Y11203 subclades?
Luther Fowler
March 21, 2018 @ 12:36pm
I was just looking at the charts listing where my father was and they had his I-Y32356 is a subgroup of I-M253 listed as Scotland. I don't have the paper trail back to Scotland but is this the findings where his DNA came from? Also, I noticed the chart you have above does not have the I 4115 going down with his listing. Would you please help me. Thank you, Janis Fowler
Darin Flansburg
March 22, 2018 @ 4:07pm
Hi Janis, I think that that particular sub-group's YDNA has been found in Scotland. I don't think we can say for certain if that is actually where it is from.
Charles Thornton Charles Thornton
February 28, 2017 @ 1:05pm
Kick-off of the “P109 Migration Project” Hopefully everyone got the email announcing the first phase of the P109 Migration Project. The goal of this project is an attempt to: i. Further refine the correlation of Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs) and Short Tandem Repeats (STRs) that comprise the genetic genealogy information that is harbored in our respective Y-chromosomes, and ii. attempt to further correlate this genetic genealogy information with geographic migration patterns of the different I1-P109 subgroups. We will be requesting deep ancestry information in the near future, but we would like to get as many people as possible to identify their terminal SNP. If you have taken the BigY test, or the “I1-Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack” panel test, we already know your terminal SNP (i.e., you don’t need to do anything at this time). But if you haven’t taken the BigY test, or the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack tests, please review the materials that were sent out to help identify what you need to do, and how you can get tested. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.
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Charles Thornton
March 4, 2017 @ 6:50pm
Yes, he took the backbone test in 2011 ... the number of new SNPs below P109 has exploded as a result of the BigY test. In addition, the entire group you have been placed in does not have a single terminal SNP identified ... you are exactly who needs to test with the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack test.
Jack Seeley
July 9, 2017 @ 9:34am
Are there any preliminary results for the migration project yet?
Darin Flansburg
July 12, 2017 @ 11:54am
So far only what I posted earlier. Phase one was getting more people to test with the SNP PAck test. As I posted we had 40 people take advantage of the sale. Phase two will be to analyze the data. I am hoping we will start that the beginning of August.
Anthony Thornton
January 31, 2018 @ 12:14pm
Charles, since you sent this out, I have received results that confirmed P-109 for me, and have already ordered the I1-Y3549 SNP test, though those results are still pending. We know each other from the Thornton surname project, but once I received the P-109 results, I joined this project as well. This way my results will be available within the project once the SNP test results are available.
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
September 19 @ 12:18pm
FamilytreeDNA has started entering the 442 ancient VIking DNA into their Haplotree. This will undoubtable interest a few of you here. This blog from Roberta is most enlightening https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/18/442-ancient-viking-skeletons-hold-dna-surprises-does-your-y-or-mitochondrial-dna-match-daily-updates-here/ I have also updated the coggle to show the ancient DNA for the I-P109 group.
Lars joakim lindkvist
September 21 @ 6:43am
I Got a match in YFull
Rob van Drie
Yesterday at 7:25am
@Darin I-Y37108 has been renamed I-Y37415, and recently a second subclade has been added to it (next to Y87511): Y98280 (you can add a Dutch flag to this subclade :-) )
Darin Flansburg
5 hours ago
...or an Irish one... ;)
Robert Wilson-Mills Robert Wilson-Mills
July 8 @ 9:32pm
Greeting! My kit #913649 has gotten the Big Y results as I-FT157274 Dave Culp reccomended I join this group. Bob Wilson.
Darin Flansburg
July 21 @ 3:36pm
Hi Robert! Thank you for joining. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask.
Robert Wilson-Mills
August 28 @ 7:21am
I did notice that 23&Me has me listed as P-109. What can I learn?
Bengt Nilsson Bengt Nilsson has a question!
July 9 @ 5:23am
I have just entered the project and I can only see old posts. Is the group not active today, 2020.
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Stephan Wagner-Damianowitsch
July 9 @ 12:26pm
Facebook group is the primary place where communication has been taking place for some time now, but this place is also active, only to a much lesser degree. Welcome! :)
Darin Flansburg
July 9 @ 6:57pm
Yes, Welcome! Robert I am assuming that your wife is Pam?
Darin Flansburg
July 9 @ 7:00pm
Bengt thank you for joining. As Stephan says the Facebook is a little more active, but we are still responding to questions here as well. Keep in mind that all the administrators are volunteers and have other "real" jobs so sometimes responses might take a bit. And Welcome!!
Robert Rodgers
July 10 @ 2:34pm
yes Darin, She is Pam, spends her time on this and others, I only ever look in now and again.
Sören Ewaldsson Sören Ewaldsson has a question!
January 10 @ 6:51am
How can I sort the posts in date order? Now it is totally useful. It is impossible to find the last post.
Darin Flansburg
April 9 @ 5:01pm
I appear to be the only active admin currently. Let me request it. I will post their response. Thank you.
Darin Flansburg
April 10 @ 4:35pm
Hi Sören, I took this issue to the FTDNA Project Administrators Facebook Group. This group is comprised of 868 FTDNA Project Administrators, who have been working with this tool for a very long time - in short, they are very knowledgeable. They explained to me the way the Activity Feed works and now it makes perfect sense to me. So, let me try my best to explain this. At the top you have pinned posts by the Admin. These posts will ALWAYS stay on top. Under the pinned posts you have all the other posts that the member post. Whenever someone comments on an old post THAT post moves to the top (but under the pinned posts) so that people can see the newest comments, but still maintain the thread. This is helpful for when people want to look to see if their question has been answered, Otherwise they would have to look through every post. I tested this by commenting on a post from 27 Apr 2019. As you can see it brought it right up to the top, Does this help you?
Sören Ewaldsson
April 14 @ 8:15am
I do understand what you are say, but I still think it is a stupid way of presenting comments. It should be possible to sort in date order as well as the "standard" way. I tried to look at the comments but there is a problem to open the project and has been for two days.
Darin Flansburg
April 15 @ 12:56pm
I ran into the same problem yesterday Sören, interestingly enough I was able to go to other projects and open their comments fine. So I am not quite sure what the issues was with that.
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
April 27, 2019 @ 2:13pm
As a reminder - it is always a good idea to upload your BigY results to yfull when you get them back.
Darin Flansburg
May 20, 2019 @ 6:36pm
David, are you relation to Dr. Elizabeth Reid? If so you are reported to be a close match of mine.
David Reid
May 22, 2019 @ 8:33am
Darin: Not that I'm aware of - the name is not familiar. Discovered on a trip to Scotland a few years ago that "Reid" is the 5th most popular surname in Scotland. Both my grandfather and great grandfather were only children.
Darin Flansburg
May 22, 2019 @ 12:10pm
Ok. It was worth a shot! Hey don't forget to upload to YFull when you get your results back. If you need help let me know.
Darin Flansburg
April 10 @ 4:19pm
This is a test
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
April 7 @ 2:39pm
Just a reminder. I have noticed that there have been a lot of people ordering the BigY-700 lately. Once you get your results back it is a good idea to upload them to yfull. The $49 dollars to upload to yfull is well worth the price when you consider you will be able to compare your Y-DNA data with those from several other companies giving you a better chance to find your terminal SNP.
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
April 7 @ 12:30pm
Is Mr. Michael Faust monitoring this page? If so I would like to have him contact me please.
William LeMaster William LeMaster
January 23 @ 4:43pm
My Haplogroup changed from Y-4115 to. I-BY17941 after receiving Big Y results.
Darin Flansburg
January 27 @ 7:55am
William, It would be a good idea to perhaps upload the results to yfull.com. I think that Y-4115 and you might benefit from it as that is a developing haplogroup.
William LeMaster
February 1 @ 1:51pm
I went to y full.com 2 days ago and joined the site. Yesterday, when I logged in to Family Tree DNA, my haplagroup had been changed to J-L136. I had not uploaded any information yet. What's going on?
William LeMaster
February 6 @ 12:27pm
My haplagroup has been changed back to I-BY17941
Michael Gilbert Michael Gilbert has a question!
May 16, 2019 @ 2:31pm
Hello all, joined last year after taking quite a few DNA tests, mostly autosomnal but also the Y-DNA 67 test from FTDNA along with some SNP packs. It has been confirmed that I am in haplogroup P109, but I haven't been able to find out very much other than pretty basic information. Is there a specific place or reference book that can explain my results? Despite taking FTDNA, MyHeritage, 23andMe, Ancestry, LivingDNA, and NatGeo 2.0, all of which share at least some of the results, they don't really jell together like I had thought they would. They all agree on British Isles, most agree on Germanic, some agree on Balkan, some agree on Iberian, one says Sardinia, a few say Switzerland/Northern Italy, and most agree on Scandinavian. I would have thought that P109 was much more specific. Any help would be appreciated, thanks
Michael Gilbert
November 11, 2019 @ 2:44pm
Hi Charles, I've done quite a lot of DNA tests and was pleasantly surprised to see my connection to Italy, even though my haplogroup appears to be a rather small branch. My Y-DNA research has shown my most recent relatives to be from England, Belgium, and broadly Germanic. The first testing that I did came back with the same results as yours, both Danish and Swedish. Further testing revealed that my ancient roots are Switzerland, Lombardia, Lazio, and broadly Balkan. I've also traced my Shaw line straight back to England in the 1400s. My tree is on both MyHeritage and Geni, which I invite you to see. I would also encourage you to have more in depth Y-DNA testing done through FTDNA or Full Genome Corp. Where in Italy are your relatives?
Charles Fascia
January 10 @ 11:52am
Hi Michael, sorry for no getting back to you sooner, but I don’t get on the site very often. I will make it a point to to look more often. My most distant ancestor Pasquale Fascia, Was from Roccapipirozzi near Venafro. Also have relatives in Sesto campano very close by. Both of these towns were under both Lombard and Norman occupation, With small castles still there. I have assumed that this is where my ancestry originated, but it is only assumed. I did years of research with the civil records, and exhausted that avenue. The only other route would be with church records , but I don’t known if I can trust the local genealogist. I may go with Y-111 in the near future but don’t know if this will help much. My tree is on this site , feel welcome to look at it. I will try to view yours. BTW I envy your line to the 1400’s. Any other questions , be glad to try to answer. All the best, Charlie.
Darin Flansburg
January 13 @ 8:40am
Charles did you ever connect with Kenn?
Charles Fascia
January 24 @ 9:59am
No I have not Darin .
Daniel Outlaw Daniel Outlaw
January 9 @ 12:55pm
Outlaw History ... a I-P109 family - A crusader family with early roots in England/Ireland/Scotland/Normandy/Sweden Mariners from an early time - Christian Vikings ? http://www.mygen.com/users/outlaw/Outlawe_Viking_Origins.htm Utlage raised this stone in memory of Öjvind, a very good thegn" http://www.mygen.com/users/outlaw/Isle_of_Ely.htm Wulf is on one island I on another. That island, surrounded by fens, is secure. http://www.mygen.com/users/outlaw/index.htm From "A visitation of the seats and arms of the noblemen and gentleman of Great Britain by Bernard Burke" it says ; "The Outlaws derive their descent from a family who were banished to Ireland by King Edwy, for political offences " [See: Was the Outlawe's banishment associated with Saint Dunstan? (patron Saint of Goldsmiths)] or Earl Harold? Ireland was at that time overrun by wolves, and they redeemed the liberty of returning the next year, when King Edgar reigned, by sending in so many wolves' heads to the government. They were also able to prove their innocence of the crime imputed to them ; and, ever since, their arms have been, argent, a saltier gules, between four wolves' heads, couped, proper; but so indignant were they at their unjust condemnation that they determined to retain the name of Outlawe, in order, as they said, to cast obloquy on the unjust monarch who banished them. https://books.google.com/books?id=vHMHAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=Edwy++ireland+slave&source=bl&ots=33Rle3gWNJ&sig=GsT7z8TXmsgwIOr7my8vzKf2CH4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nMe_T4jEEIK2sQKlsfHVCQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Edwy%20%20ireland%20slave&f=false The Collected Historical Works of Sir Francis Palgrave, K.H. ... Dunstan, Abbot of Glastonbury, had, at an early period of his life, been admitted into that ancient monastery, which was then also a school or college. Glastonbury was principally filled by Scots, or monks from Ireland.
Daniel Outlaw
January 13 @ 12:01pm
https://www.burzum.org/eng/library/the_viking_age_and_christianity_in_norway.shtml The Viking Age And Christianity In Norway The Viking Age began as a result of certain actions by Charlemagne, the king of France, in year 772, when he chopped down Irminsûl, the holy column or tree of the Saxons. He had assassinated approximately 5.000 Saxon noblemen, in cowardly ambushes, and crushed the ability of the Saxons to resist his armies any longer. This was the moment the northern brethren of the Saxons, the Scandinavians, finally ceased all hostilities against each other on a national level and instead started to wage war on Christianity. This was a war that started the age we know as the Viking Age. In 772 the kings of Norway were actually allied to Charlemagne in a war against the Danes, but they broke this pact when he cut down Irminsûl and assassinated the Saxon lords, and instead they too went to war against Charlemagne. Initially the Scandinavians attacked all the cloisters and burned all the churches in Scandinavia, in their own home countries, and this is the reason why Europe suddenly saw a stream of settlers from Scandinavia in the Viking Age. Historians have long wondered why so many Scandinavians all of a sudden emigrated, and have for some reason failed to see the obvious reason why. The simple fact is that the civil war in Scandinavia forced many of them to flee and look for other places to live. When the Christians in Scandinavia had been killed or were forced to flee the Pagans attacked the monasteries that had sent the missionaries to Scandinavia in the first place. In Norway's case that was first and foremost the monastery on Lindisfarne, the Holy Island, in England. This attack is the first recorded Viking attack in history and took place the 6th of June in 793. ... | - - - 772 - Charlemagne is repeatedly described as ordering the destruction of the chief seat of their religion, an Irminsul. 782 - Massacre of Verden, in which Charlemagne ordered 4,500 imprisoned Saxons massacred 866 - Harald made the first of a series of conquests over the many petty kingdoms which would compose all of Norway, including Värmland in Sweden, which had sworn allegiance to the Swedish king Erik Eymundsson. 872 - after a great victory at Hafrsfjord near Stavanger, Harald FairHair of Norway found himself king over the whole country. His realm was, however, threatened by dangers from without, as large numbers of his opponents had taken refuge, not only in Iceland, then recently discovered; but also in the Orkney Islands, Shetland Islands, Hebrides Islands, Faroe Islands and the northern European mainland.