I-P109 Y-DNA

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Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:38am
The current tree, in a simplified version!
Nicolas Taban
June 30, 2017 @ 2:26am
This is 2 years old! I struggle in keeping up the pace to update graphics!
Jim Cumings
July 1, 2017 @ 9:42pm
Thanks for all your work on this Nicolas.
Samuel Newcomb
January 28, 2018 @ 7:51am
Regarding the Wood family, my brother matches 15 Woods on the 12 marker dna test, but none after that. My Paternal Great Grandfather's parents are unknown.
David Reid
April 18, 2018 @ 12:19am
Any further update on the FGC21732? Do I need to test for CTS8407 or Y14222 ??
Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:39am
the tree below S14887:
David Scoggins
September 27, 2017 @ 8:13am
Would Geno 2 get deep subclade results?
David Greeley
December 12, 2017 @ 6:26am
Nicolas, do you have a more recent subclade tree that further maps the I-Y11203 subclades?
Luther Fowler
March 21, 2018 @ 12:36pm
I was just looking at the charts listing where my father was and they had his I-Y32356 is a subgroup of I-M253 listed as Scotland. I don't have the paper trail back to Scotland but is this the findings where his DNA came from? Also, I noticed the chart you have above does not have the I 4115 going down with his listing. Would you please help me. Thank you, Janis Fowler
Darin Flansburg
March 22, 2018 @ 4:07pm
Hi Janis, I think that that particular sub-group's YDNA has been found in Scotland. I don't think we can say for certain if that is actually where it is from.
Charles Thornton Charles Thornton
February 28, 2017 @ 1:05pm
Kick-off of the “P109 Migration Project” Hopefully everyone got the email announcing the first phase of the P109 Migration Project. The goal of this project is an attempt to: i. Further refine the correlation of Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs) and Short Tandem Repeats (STRs) that comprise the genetic genealogy information that is harbored in our respective Y-chromosomes, and ii. attempt to further correlate this genetic genealogy information with geographic migration patterns of the different I1-P109 subgroups. We will be requesting deep ancestry information in the near future, but we would like to get as many people as possible to identify their terminal SNP. If you have taken the BigY test, or the “I1-Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack” panel test, we already know your terminal SNP (i.e., you don’t need to do anything at this time). But if you haven’t taken the BigY test, or the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack tests, please review the materials that were sent out to help identify what you need to do, and how you can get tested. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.
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Charles Thornton
March 4, 2017 @ 6:50pm
Yes, he took the backbone test in 2011 ... the number of new SNPs below P109 has exploded as a result of the BigY test. In addition, the entire group you have been placed in does not have a single terminal SNP identified ... you are exactly who needs to test with the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack test.
Jack Seeley
July 9, 2017 @ 9:34am
Are there any preliminary results for the migration project yet?
Darin Flansburg
July 12, 2017 @ 11:54am
So far only what I posted earlier. Phase one was getting more people to test with the SNP PAck test. As I posted we had 40 people take advantage of the sale. Phase two will be to analyze the data. I am hoping we will start that the beginning of August.
Anthony Thornton
January 31, 2018 @ 12:14pm
Charles, since you sent this out, I have received results that confirmed P-109 for me, and have already ordered the I1-Y3549 SNP test, though those results are still pending. We know each other from the Thornton surname project, but once I received the P-109 results, I joined this project as well. This way my results will be available within the project once the SNP test results are available.
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
April 11 @ 4:55pm
There has been a major and significant change in the I-P109 haplogroup. Branches I-14999, I-BY19760 and I-Y3662 are no longer branches of I-P109. Instead each of those three branches are under I-FGC16695, which is now a branch of I-P109. I will be updating the coggle. This can also be seen at yfull as well as FTDNA.
Rick Coleman Rick Coleman
June 12, 2018 @ 7:50pm
Looks like my uncle gets his very own subclade at YFull, attached to I-Y13930. He is now the I-Y111458 over there. -Katrina
Darin Flansburg
June 14, 2018 @ 7:43am
There are several people with their own subclade. Hopefully he won't be lonely for long. :-)
David Culp
June 14, 2018 @ 7:19pm
Your uncle is my new subclade mate! My male line disappears into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, but there is some family oral history that says the Culp family immigrated from Holland or Belgium in the 1600's.
Carlo Francini
June 30 @ 3:53pm
For David Culp: good evening genetic cousin, my name is Carlo Francini, I am writing from Italy, from the province of Massa Carrara (northern Tuscany), where the presence of my surname dates back to at least half of the '200. I am also an I1 / BY35243, my ancestry seems to connect with the descent in southern Italy of the Normans or Vikings. What can you tell me about your origins?
Daniel Outlaw
March 14 @ 1:39pm
hello cousin .. FGC21732
Wayne Nelson Wayne Nelson
January 23 @ 10:53am
Hello, My name is Faith. I am posting on behalf, and with his full permission of, my Uncle Wayne Nelson. He is not computer savy but is very interested in genealogy. He has asked me to help by posting on his behalf. Yesterday we received results from the Y-DNA37 test. Kit number 761816. As long suspected the haplogroup is I-M253. With the help of another member, Jack Seeley, I was directed to this group. My Grandfather, William Nelson, always spoke of how all 4 of his Great Grandparents came to America from Sweden. His mother also had Swedish descent so there was always a strong Swedish presence in the household. I have been involved with many family members working on the maternal side, so I wondered more about this side and if the origins were what we thought them to be further up the tree. Through much DNA testing of family we found cousins in Sweden and were able to map out the line to a man named Lars Åkas born in 1670. A Swedish Genealogist named Rhonda Dunlap was key in finding a lot of this info. My uncle, myself, and family are very interested in learning more about the origins of the family and filling up our tree. Thank you for this group and appreciate your time in reading this post.
Darin Flansburg
February 5 @ 9:10am
Welcome to our group!
kevin Weatherall kevin Weatherall has a question!
February 5 @ 7:53am
Myself (kit #IN32578) and Lawrence Weatherall (kit #847604) are both confirmed as I-P109. Could you kindly advise how close our connection may be and also advise if and/or what further SNP testing you would recommend.
Darin Flansburg
February 5 @ 9:08am
Because James has only taken the Y37 test, we can only compare 37 markers. This makes it very difficult to determine how closely related you are, but looking at the TiP report we see that there is an 88.97% chance that you are related within 8 generations. I would recommend that you both test at a minimum of Y111 markers. The best of course would be to upgrade to the BigY, though this is quite a bit more expensive.
kevin Weatherall kevin Weatherall has a question!
February 5 @ 7:54am
Is this forum still active?
Jack Seeley
February 5 @ 8:20am
Yes, but it seems like there's more activity on the Facebook page than here these days...
Jack Seeley Jack Seeley
November 13 @ 11:33am
Thanksgiving Day sale, prices good till 22 Nov 2018!
Darin Flansburg
November 14 @ 5:54am
Thanks for posting this Jack.
John RICE John RICE has a question!
October 25 @ 7:58pm
Hello. I have been away this for a while and need advice.I was first tested with a special offer as part of the Rice family project into I M253 using STR analysis. Then I bought a package of SNPs that placed me in P 109. My main interest is trying to get some info about how and when the ancestors of Edmond Rice came to east Anglia. What are the next steps in Testing??
Darin Flansburg
October 26 @ 8:25am
Hi John, it appears that you have only tested with Y37. I think for us to have a better idea you would need a minimum of Y67 markers, but even that might be too low. I would highly recommend the BigY test. Because you already have a Y test you should be able to upgrade. Generally the best time to upgrade is during sales. We will most likely be having such a sale during Christmas. Regarding how you got to East Anglia, there are a couple of possibilities. 1) You may have been part of the original migration in the 5th century (ca. 450) when the Anglo-Saxons settled in Anglia or 2) your ancestor may have been on a viking raiding party. Of course there could be other possibilities as well. My branch of I-P109 was from the Anglia area (Southern Denmark) I believe one branch went to Anglia. Possibly as the original migrants in 450 AD. So to get the best results I would recommend the BigY – and even then that might not answer the question right away.
Darin Flansburg
October 26 @ 8:29am
There is another Rice who has a terminal SNP of I-S18218. Which would put you at I-Y3662 -> I-S14887 -> I-S8175 if you were from the same line.
Karl Ove Rundblad Karl Ove Rundblad
October 16 @ 5:53am
Hello project! I've got a 39$ coupon and was gonna use it to confirm my maternal grandfathers terminal SNP. The sample has been predicted as FGC21728 in the I1 project. If I could test for something below that, that would give me more for my coupon, however it seems like only one SNP below FGC21728 is available for order on FTDNA. The only suggestion I have in terms of terminal subclade is a 12 marker match with a BigY positive for FGC23777. I'd appriciate your suggestions. - Philip
Darin Flansburg
October 17 @ 6:43pm
Karl, I would highly recommend doing the BigY - that takes the guessing out of it. Many a person has tested for a single SNP or even done an SNP pack only to find out that their SNP isn't known to the Y-DNA community. This means money down the drain.
Karl Ove Rundblad
October 18 @ 8:05am
That must certainly be a very unlucky person to test negative for every known mutation below I-M253 x) Ofcourse a BigY (or preferably a WGS) test is preferable to a simple SNP test but unfortunately I’m a poor student without the wallet to carry the load. For now I need something to spend this coupon on, and this sample is predicted FGC21728+. I sent the order yesterday, slow as FTDNA are results are expected to come in december. At least it’s free. Thanks for your answer.
Wolfram von Kiparski Wolfram von Kiparski has a question!
April 4, 2018 @ 2:16pm
I tested positive for P109. Should I proceed with the Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack or is the Big-Y still preferable for deeper testing?
Darin Flansburg
April 5, 2018 @ 3:10pm
David is correct Wolfram. The BigY is the best value.
Wolfram von Kiparski
April 6, 2018 @ 8:05am
Thank-you for your advice. FTDNA classified me as P109, but my testing compared to P109 modals has a genetic distance of 16. So we're "ultra-Norse" but in a very strange way. More testing is needed.
David Greeley
April 6, 2018 @ 1:23pm
At the P109 subclade the time period is probably 5000 years ago or older. I'm waiting for my Big Y tests, I did the Y3549 pack and it brought to the Y11203 subclade which is about 2500 years ago.
Wolfram von Kiparski
June 25, 2018 @ 3:21pm
Big Y-500 classifies me as S23679 now!
Peder Christensen Peder Christensen
March 21, 2018 @ 10:06am
Hello, I just joined my cousin Peder Christensen up to this Project. Our cousin Stewart Wade Christie (kit # 226867) is already a member. Stewart's great-great grandfather was Carl Ulrick Christensen who after immigrating from Denmark to the Colony of Queensland (now an Australian State) in 1872 adopted the names Carl Christie and Charles Christie. Peder's great grandfather was Julius Emil Thorvald Christensen, a younger brother of Carl. Julius also immigrated to Queensland via New Zealand in 1874. He used the name Julius Christie until he returned to Langeland, Denmark in 1889-90. Another brother Georg remained on Langeland while the youngest brother, Harald Edvard Christensen also traveled to Queensland with Julius but left for California around 1878-79. He settled in Oregon where he used various names, Christensen, Christie and Christy before the family settled with Christy. Regards, Wayne Roberts (joint kit administrator with both Stewart and Peder.)
Peder Christensen
June 3, 2018 @ 8:29pm
Big Y500 results are back. Peder Christensen and Stewart Christie appear to be an exact SNP match. Sending BAM file off to YFull for analysis. Wayne Roberts (kit admin)
Charles Thornton
June 10, 2018 @ 6:32am
I love it when a plan comes together!