I-P109 Y-DNA

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Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:38am
The current tree, in a simplified version!
Nicolas Taban
June 30, 2017 @ 2:26am
This is 2 years old! I struggle in keeping up the pace to update graphics!
Jim Cumings
July 1, 2017 @ 9:42pm
Thanks for all your work on this Nicolas.
Samuel Newcomb
January 28, 2018 @ 7:51am
Regarding the Wood family, my brother matches 15 Woods on the 12 marker dna test, but none after that. My Paternal Great Grandfather's parents are unknown.
David Reid
April 18, 2018 @ 12:19am
Any further update on the FGC21732? Do I need to test for CTS8407 or Y14222 ??
Nicolas Taban Nicolas Taban
July 29, 2015 @ 7:39am
the tree below S14887:
David Scoggins
September 27, 2017 @ 8:13am
Would Geno 2 get deep subclade results?
David Greeley
December 12, 2017 @ 6:26am
Nicolas, do you have a more recent subclade tree that further maps the I-Y11203 subclades?
Luther Fowler
March 21, 2018 @ 12:36pm
I was just looking at the charts listing where my father was and they had his I-Y32356 is a subgroup of I-M253 listed as Scotland. I don't have the paper trail back to Scotland but is this the findings where his DNA came from? Also, I noticed the chart you have above does not have the I 4115 going down with his listing. Would you please help me. Thank you, Janis Fowler
Darin Flansburg
March 22, 2018 @ 4:07pm
Hi Janis, I think that that particular sub-group's YDNA has been found in Scotland. I don't think we can say for certain if that is actually where it is from.
Charles Thornton Charles Thornton
February 28, 2017 @ 1:05pm
Kick-off of the “P109 Migration Project” Hopefully everyone got the email announcing the first phase of the P109 Migration Project. The goal of this project is an attempt to: i. Further refine the correlation of Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs) and Short Tandem Repeats (STRs) that comprise the genetic genealogy information that is harbored in our respective Y-chromosomes, and ii. attempt to further correlate this genetic genealogy information with geographic migration patterns of the different I1-P109 subgroups. We will be requesting deep ancestry information in the near future, but we would like to get as many people as possible to identify their terminal SNP. If you have taken the BigY test, or the “I1-Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack” panel test, we already know your terminal SNP (i.e., you don’t need to do anything at this time). But if you haven’t taken the BigY test, or the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack tests, please review the materials that were sent out to help identify what you need to do, and how you can get tested. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.
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Charles Thornton
March 4, 2017 @ 6:50pm
Yes, he took the backbone test in 2011 ... the number of new SNPs below P109 has exploded as a result of the BigY test. In addition, the entire group you have been placed in does not have a single terminal SNP identified ... you are exactly who needs to test with the I1-Y3549 SNP Pack test.
Jack Seeley
July 9, 2017 @ 9:34am
Are there any preliminary results for the migration project yet?
Darin Flansburg
July 12, 2017 @ 11:54am
So far only what I posted earlier. Phase one was getting more people to test with the SNP PAck test. As I posted we had 40 people take advantage of the sale. Phase two will be to analyze the data. I am hoping we will start that the beginning of August.
Anthony Thornton
January 31, 2018 @ 12:14pm
Charles, since you sent this out, I have received results that confirmed P-109 for me, and have already ordered the I1-Y3549 SNP test, though those results are still pending. We know each other from the Thornton surname project, but once I received the P-109 results, I joined this project as well. This way my results will be available within the project once the SNP test results are available.
William LeMaster William LeMaster has a question!
April 29 @ 8:19pm
where are 2019 entries?
Jim Welsh
August 15 @ 6:47pm
William, This group has decided to do 99% of its correspondence using its Facebook page, the Haplogroup I-P109 (I1d1) Facebook page. See at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/153232508763/
Kenneth Ramirez de Arellano- Escobar Kenneth Ramirez de Arellano- Escobar has a question!
August 5 @ 11:56am
Who is the expert I can email with some questions about something I've found in my test results? or maybe text?
Dmitri Smirnoff Dmitri Smirnoff has a question!
July 13 @ 9:33pm
Hello, My name is Dmitri Smirnoff. Recently I received results from the Y-DNA37 test. Kit number Kit No. IN68186 and the haplogroup is I-M253. My 23andme.com - my parental haplogroup I-L205.1 DNA transfer B472608 Please advice which test to take for a prediction of my haplogroup and what further SNP/STR testing you would recommend? Myself, and family are very interested in learning more about the origins of the family and filling up our tree. Thank you for this group and appreciate your time in reading this post. Dmitri Smirnoff
Darin Flansburg
July 16 @ 7:41am
Hello Dmitri and welcome! Sorry for the delay in answering your post. If I understand you correctly then you are I-L205 positive. If that is the case then you are in the wrong group here as we are from I-S25633, which is the brother branch of I-L205. The best test you can take for Y-DNA at FTDNA is the BigY700. This is the most comprehensive test that FTDNA offers, however it is the most expensive as well. The upside is that the BigY700 would be the last test you would have to take for the Y-DNA. I am not sure if the I-L205 has a group on FTDNA, however please feel free to join the I-M253 group as you would fit right in there.
John RICE John RICE has a question!
October 25, 2018 @ 7:58pm
Hello. I have been away this for a while and need advice.I was first tested with a special offer as part of the Rice family project into I M253 using STR analysis. Then I bought a package of SNPs that placed me in P 109. My main interest is trying to get some info about how and when the ancestors of Edmond Rice came to east Anglia. What are the next steps in Testing??
Darin Flansburg
October 26, 2018 @ 8:25am
Hi John, it appears that you have only tested with Y37. I think for us to have a better idea you would need a minimum of Y67 markers, but even that might be too low. I would highly recommend the BigY test. Because you already have a Y test you should be able to upgrade. Generally the best time to upgrade is during sales. We will most likely be having such a sale during Christmas. Regarding how you got to East Anglia, there are a couple of possibilities. 1) You may have been part of the original migration in the 5th century (ca. 450) when the Anglo-Saxons settled in Anglia or 2) your ancestor may have been on a viking raiding party. Of course there could be other possibilities as well. My branch of I-P109 was from the Anglia area (Southern Denmark) I believe one branch went to Anglia. Possibly as the original migrants in 450 AD. So to get the best results I would recommend the BigY – and even then that might not answer the question right away.
Darin Flansburg
October 26, 2018 @ 8:29am
There is another Rice who has a terminal SNP of I-S18218. Which would put you at I-Y3662 -> I-S14887 -> I-S8175 if you were from the same line.
Douglas Wigley
July 2 @ 10:05pm
John Rice, I am a female descendant of Edmond Rice & Thomasine Frost via their son Edward Rice. This goes back to my maternal grandfather's mother's Howe line, Delivernece Rice married Hone Howe). He's the "Viking" descendant but it is awesome to meet a cousin of mine on here as well! I am on Ancestry.com. My Member Directory name is KatherineJoyceMatlock. My husband is the one in this group of course. He upgraded to the Big Y and part of his results are in. His new haplogroup from I-M253, to (23andMe) I-P109 is now I-BY17941. Kit # 361248.
Michael Gilbert Michael Gilbert has a question!
May 16 @ 2:31pm
Hello all, joined last year after taking quite a few DNA tests, mostly autosomnal but also the Y-DNA 67 test from FTDNA along with some SNP packs. It has been confirmed that I am in haplogroup P109, but I haven't been able to find out very much other than pretty basic information. Is there a specific place or reference book that can explain my results? Despite taking FTDNA, MyHeritage, 23andMe, Ancestry, LivingDNA, and NatGeo 2.0, all of which share at least some of the results, they don't really jell together like I had thought they would. They all agree on British Isles, most agree on Germanic, some agree on Balkan, some agree on Iberian, one says Sardinia, a few say Switzerland/Northern Italy, and most agree on Scandinavian. I would have thought that P109 was much more specific. Any help would be appreciated, thanks
Darin Flansburg
May 22 @ 12:14pm
Michael, whether you go BigY or YElite please consider uploading to YFull when you get your results. YFull is kind of like a clearing house where y DNA data can be uploaded and analyzed. So they have information from both FTDNA and FullGenomes.
Michael Gilbert
May 25 @ 1:43pm
Thank you Darin, I plan to do so when I get the results
Michael Gilbert
June 4 @ 2:32pm
Hello all, I got the results back from the latest SNP Pack that I had done which now confirms that my haplogroup changed to I-FGC21812. I haven't been able to find any info except that I am a short branch of Y15520. the haplogroup map on FTDNA shows just two regions, the Netherlands and just southeast of Rome, Italy. Definitely different than my last confirmed haplogroup of I-P109. My question is, does the fact that I seem to be in a very small branch, with just three matches, warrant doing the Big Y or FGC Y-Elite? The fact that my haplogroup has FGC in the name would suggest I might find answers there, but at the same time FTDNA came up with the new haplogroup. Or do I even need to test further given the fact that I'm in a small cul de sac with not a lot of people and wouldn't really find out that much more info? Even the surnames are completely different. Very confusing, could the testing have been inaccurate?
Charles Thornton
June 27 @ 8:56pm
Charles Isreal Charles Isreal has a question!
June 12 @ 2:33pm
Charles Isreal, I'm just curious why kit # 827404 is listed in the the Ungrouped
Darin Flansburg
June 13 @ 7:41am
Sorry Charles, I haven't gotten to grouping the ungrouped kits yet. I will get to it as soon as possible.
Charles Isreal
June 13 @ 7:43pm
Thanks for the quick reply.......
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
April 27 @ 2:13pm
As a reminder - it is always a good idea to upload your BigY results to yfull when you get them back.
David Reid
May 19 @ 10:32pm
anticipate Big Y results mid-July as of last update.....
Darin Flansburg
May 20 @ 6:36pm
David, are you relation to Dr. Elizabeth Reid? If so you are reported to be a close match of mine.
David Reid
May 22 @ 8:33am
Darin: Not that I'm aware of - the name is not familiar. Discovered on a trip to Scotland a few years ago that "Reid" is the 5th most popular surname in Scotland. Both my grandfather and great grandfather were only children.
Darin Flansburg
May 22 @ 12:10pm
Ok. It was worth a shot! Hey don't forget to upload to YFull when you get your results back. If you need help let me know.
Darin Flansburg Darin Flansburg
May 8 @ 9:30am
Darin Flansburg
May 8 @ 9:33am
OK - so not the best instructions. I will have to make better instructions when time allows. So right click on the image above and select open in new tab. Next go to the tab and you should be able to make it a little bigger. If you cannot read this please let me know and I will try to make a new one.
Jack Seeley Jack Seeley
May 4 @ 1:08pm
Curious about a recent change to a group member that's a BigY match, Jens Roland. He had been listed as I-S8175/S18218 as long as I've had result to compare, but recently FTDNA changed his subclade to I-Y81757. He's still at the previous subclade on Yfull, and near as I can tell he's the only I-Y81757 on FTDNA. What I'm wondering is how his subclade changed to something new without a second sample confirming the subclade???
Rick Coleman Rick Coleman
June 12, 2018 @ 7:50pm
Looks like my uncle gets his very own subclade at YFull, attached to I-Y13930. He is now the I-Y111458 over there. -Katrina
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David Culp
June 14, 2018 @ 7:19pm
Your uncle is my new subclade mate! My male line disappears into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, but there is some family oral history that says the Culp family immigrated from Holland or Belgium in the 1600's.
Carlo Francini
June 30, 2018 @ 3:53pm
For David Culp: good evening genetic cousin, my name is Carlo Francini, I am writing from Italy, from the province of Massa Carrara (northern Tuscany), where the presence of my surname dates back to at least half of the '200. I am also an I1 / BY35243, my ancestry seems to connect with the descent in southern Italy of the Normans or Vikings. What can you tell me about your origins?
Daniel Outlaw
March 14 @ 1:39pm
hello cousin .. FGC21732
David Reid
May 2 @ 10:10pm
Howdy cousin -- FGC21732