Saami

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Veikko Kajava Veikko Kajava
May 2 @ 3:51am
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Richard Harmon
May 6 @ 7:25pm
Hi. What's new?
Veikko Kajava Veikko Kajava has a question!
March 27 @ 9:59am
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Arnljot Elgsaeter Arnljot Elgsaeter
June 1, 2018 @ 12:05am
The figure shows some of the latest GEDmatch MDLP results for more than 50 persons mainly from Northern-Scandinavia. Each person is placed along the horizontal axis in a manner that ensures that the nearest neighbor to the right has an equal or lower percentage of Scandinavian stone age DNA. The people from the south of Norway can then be found close to the right end of the horizontal axis, the people from Finland in the middle and the Saamis to the far left. The person number one from the left is reindeer herder Ellen Kemi from Karasjok, Norway. Her family three shows that all her ancestors for more that than two hundred years appear to be reindeer herders. She has hardly any admix of farmer DNA. The figure shows that as the farmer admix approaches zero the ethnic composition for a Saami becomes about 40-45 % Scandinavian stone age people, 40-45 % people of Siberian decent and about 10 % bronze age people from the South-East-Europe
Lori Carlson
October 3 @ 6:40pm
Thank you for posting. (I am new to the group so just saw this). Sorry, can you explain this a little differently? Like who is represented by green-red, yellow? Does this work? I am terrible with graphs. But this is interesting. My ancestors are all Scandinavian (mixed from Denmark, Sweden, and Norway), but one DNA company had me a chunk of Eastern European. The one with more Scandinavian references had me mostly Scandinavian. My assumption is the northern Swede DNA (mesolithic, pre-farmer and/or Sami) looking basically Baltic to a DNA test that only has one reference population for Sweden or worse, all of Scandinavia. My Swedish ancestors were in Dalarna and Jamtland (Follinge, which had become a designated Sami parish in 1600s). I know on Gedmatch Saami gets admixed as populations like Mordovians/Moksha, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Selkup, Mari, etc. I was really bewildered that I had some of these populations in my admixtures until I did some research on Saami and north Swede DNA (pre-farmer). But Eurogenes with North Swede reference, and MDLP 23 with Swede Saami reference made me just a bunch of Swedish and less Baltic, so this all makes sense. (My great grandma thought her family might have been Sami or part, but she had no way of knowing. Her mother might have grown up within dominant Swedish culture by later 1800s Follinge.)
H Williams
December 18 @ 1:21pm
Arnljot- I find your research interesting on the Saami having Siberian origins! Its been my initial thought, as well. Having direct maternal Native American ancestry and receiving East Asian (Specifically Siberian dna results, NOT Russian European, nor northwest Europe,) has been an interesting mystery. The direct maternal ancestor, at least the last one I can identify, is from a tribe residing in Northeast Canada/US. That doesn't mean that one of her mothers and grandmothers didn't marry into the tribe, but more research would have to be done to confirm that. From my own research, its my opinion that the indigenous Saami (pre - European contact and admixture) were of Siberian origin and despite what some researchers say, possibly related to the Inuit. There has been language studies conducted to reveal the similarities in language.
Arnljot Elgsaeter Arnljot Elgsaeter
May 23, 2018 @ 8:29am
Genetic history of the Norwegian North-Saamis. Current status. Modern aDNA, yDNA and mDNA studies together with linguistic and archeological studies now all point to the same outline of the North-Saami genetic history. The Scandinavian stone age people where the first inhabitant of the Norwegian coastline as it became ice-free at the end of the last great ice age about 12000 years ago. For about the next ten thousand years the descendants of these pioneers lived undisturbed along the northernmost coasts of Norway. The census from year 1700 tells us that there was a total of about 1900 Saamis in Norway at that time. Two thousand years ago the stone age population along the northernmost cost of Norway therefore probably counted no more than about 300-400 men and women, respectively. About 2000-2500 years ago the daily life of these local stone age hunters, fishermen and gatherers abruptly went through a dramatic change. The exact time for his event is still unknown, but archeological finds suggest that the drama took place within only a few centennials from year zero. What happened was that within a short period of time, may be even as the result of one single event, the northern most coast of Norway were conquered and occupied by men coming from the east. These new male masters spoke a Uralian language which subsequently became the dominant language throughout the northernmost area of Norway for more than one thousand years. mDNA data shows that all the maternal line of the North-Saamis can be traced back to the precolonial Scandinavian stone age population. yDNA data shows that a large majority of the North-Saami paternal lines can be traced back to the invaders for the east. aDNA results (GEDmatch) show that the North-Saamis of today (both men and women) carry close to equal amounts of Scandinavian stone age DNA and Siberian DNA even in the frequent cases of strong admix of Germanic farmer DNA. These finds yield several important conclusions: 1) The occupiers from the east did not bring with them any women from their own ethnic group. 2) The lack of any North-Saami paternal lines that can be traced back to the Scandinavian stone age people means that the occupiers from the east either killed or expelled all males when the local stone age populations were conquered. 3) Just after the occupation had been completed all women descended 100% from the original stone age population and spoke an unknown stone age language. All the men spoke a Uralian language and descended 100% from Siberia. 4) This means that every single child (both boys and girls) born after the colonialization was completed, descended 50% from the local stone age population and 50% from the invaders from the east. When these newborns in turn became adults and got their own children, these children would also all descend 50% from the local stone age population and 50% from the invaders. Without admix from other populations this ratio would be preserved throughout all subsequent generations. This ancestral ratio is still seen in the North-Saamis of today. The first generation of newborn of this new mixed population some two thousand years ago were the first North-Saami children ever. From a genetic point of view these first babies also mark the birth of the North-Saami population. Compared to most other populations this is a most remarkable history. Linguistic studies have revealed that about 1/3 of the words in the North-Saami language consist of non-Uralic words. These new words all have to do with fishing and hunting of mammalian marine animals and are expected to have be borrowed from the unknown language of the original stone age population. This can only have come about by the invaders not only fully taking over the stone age settlements - including the stone age women - but for generations also adopting fully the survival techniques of the stone age people including the traditions associated with fishing and hunting of mammalian marine animals. This new mixed population would be genetically identical to the North-Saamis of today who all are speaking the new modified Uralian language today referred to as North-Saami. Their daily life appears to would have been very similar to that of the original Scandinavian stone age people. This new mixed coastal population most likely is the vibrant and forceful seafaring Saami speaking people from the north described in the Viking sagas. The members of this Saami speaking costal population were the ancestors of what is now referred to as the Sea-Saamis. During the last few hundred years most of the original Sea-Saami populations has become fully integrated into the local Norwegian speaking population. The latter consists of people that themselves are making their living from av mixture of faming, traditional fishing, hunting and gathering. Reindeer herding seems to have started several hundred years after the birth of the North-Saami population, but that is another very interesting story.
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Arnljot Elgsaeter
May 31, 2018 @ 4:34pm
The autosomal DNA analyses carried out using GEDmatch MDLP for all sampled Saamis (about 20 with varying degrees of admix of germanic farmers) show an equal amount of DNA from Scandinavian stone age people and people of Siberian origin. Is there any evidence which shows that U5b1b1a does not come from Scandinavian stone age people?
Efva Nyberg
June 7, 2018 @ 12:46pm
"The divergence time for the Sami haplogroup V sequences is 7600 YBP (years before present), and for U5b1b1, 5500 YBP amongst Sami and 6600 YBP amongst Sami and Finns. This suggests an arrival in the region soon after the retreat of the glacial ice, either by way of Continental Europe and/or the Volga-Ural region." https://www.nature.com/articles/5201712 So no, it's not just U5a that came early to Scandinavia.
Efva Nyberg
June 7, 2018 @ 12:56pm
This reminds me a bit of the eastern seaboard of Scotland actually, where we see the results of what happened when the Norse showed up in the region. Today the Scandinavian male haplogroups are in majority while the women still carry the haplogroups the Pict had.
Svein Heitmann
October 29 @ 7:46am
Efva, the article you refer to are old. They have found a lot of aDna since then, which seems to tell a little different story about U5b1b1a, and V. If you look at the map I am refering too, you can see there have been found about 10 - 15 ancient dna samples from the stone age in Scandinavia. None of them are U5b1b1a or V. But there have been found one ancient U5b1b1a in Lithuenia(Kretuonas 4), connected to the Narva culture,which are at least 5500 years old. This suggests that this mtdna haplogroup origin from that area, and not from Scandinavia. Therefore I think U5b1b1a and V came to Scandinavia together with the paternal haplogroup N, and the saami language: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#5/63.075/23.247 Dag Heitmann
Karen Grohs Karen Grohs
June 29, 2018 @ 2:32pm
Thanks for the add. Years ago when I was working with my mother's genealogy, there was a note that my four times great-grandmother was "a Lapplander." More recent genealogy research found that her parents and grandparents on both sides were also born in far Northern Sweden near the Arctic circle. When she married, she moved south with her husband (born in central Sweden). My DNA found a small percentage that traces to her, so I am interested in finding out more about the culture. She was born in 1763 and was named Britta Andersdottter. Her father was Anders Bengtsson. His father was Bengt Hansson, born 1676. That's as far back as we can go.
J. W. J. W. has a question!
January 12, 2018 @ 12:51pm
I just notice that if I click on a highlighted name in this group, it will tell me whether that person is a DNA match. Is there a better way to discover matches in this group? Meanwhile, hello to cousins Anita Aamo Ken Jørgen Anti Arnljot Elgsaeter Bente Bårdslett Anja Tiller Hilkka Kulusjärvi Young
Bente Karine Bårdslett
January 28, 2018 @ 7:54am
Hello cousin Julie! If you have registed your family tree, you can see if there are the same names in it. I have registered mine.
gary anderson gary anderson
December 6, 2017 @ 5:23pm
My Maternal DNA is U5b1b2. My oldest maternal ancestor is Khristin Pernu (Bersan, Koppelojärvi) (born Mäntyjärvi Huovinen) b. 1/27/1736
gary anderson
December 6, 2017 @ 5:24pm
Born in Pudasjärvi Mäntyjärvi. Children born in Kuusamo.
Arnljot Elgsaeter Arnljot Elgsaeter
September 2, 2017 @ 2:18pm
GEDmatch heritage DNA analyses of a ‘’100 %’’ Norwegian Saami reindeer herder The genome of a lady with a family tree revealing only Saami reindeer herders for the last 200 years, has recently been uploaded to GEDmatch.com. Her Saami ancestors lived in the Kautokeino-Karasjok region of Finnmark, Norway. She therefore appears to be as close to a ‘’100%’’ Norwegian Saami reindeer herder as it in practice is possible to be. A DNA analysis of her GEDmatch heritage as well as 56 others mostly from Fennoscandia using GEDmatch project MDLP has been carried out. A summary of this work and a discussion of the results can be found at this link (use all the characters, not only the ones marked as blue) : https://1drv.ms/f/s!AkcIFqZTir7Kg8EGcZjhhDV5dtbQOA
Sissel Nordahl Sissel Nordahl
April 8, 2017 @ 7:03am
I join this project due to my haplogroup U5b1b1a1, which confirmed my sami heritage from Ane Nilsdaughter,born abt. 1744 in the north of Norway,north of Finnland or north of Sweden. She married Mikkel Paulsen,born abt.1740,Kjeiprød,Lavangen,Troms,Norway.They were both sami- people and settled in Kvalnes,Dyrøy,Troms,Norway.I also have other sami lines in my ancestry: Among them Hans Olsen,born 1750 in the north of Sweden:Hans Olsen settled in North Mjelde,Troms,Norway and married Elen Mortensdaughter,born abt. 1750.. I do not know where she was born;she was probably a sami or a queen woman.Maybe any of you know her heritage? The name of her mother was Elen Larsdaughter,born abt. 1723,-maybe someone here knew her?
Anders Östberg
April 9, 2017 @ 3:40am
Hi Sissel. I joined this group due to same hg U5b1b1a1a1. My maternal ancestor is Elen Mikkelsdatter 1732/35 - 1806 (Elen Michelsdatter i http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058499000106 på Kierrisnæs i Lenvig sogn og prestegjeld). Trying to find out were she came from. mt DNAmatches from Northen Finland- so Finland mabe Sweden. Anyone kwowing of her birthplace???
Carolyn Burkhart
July 26, 2017 @ 10:17pm
Try Kautokeino and Karasjok, as well as one of the Sámi families who came to America in the late 1800's on the Reindeer Project to Alaska.
Arnljot Elgsaeter Arnljot Elgsaeter
January 19, 2017 @ 3:12pm
Each male carry one Y-chromosome and one X-chromosome. Each female instead carry two X-chromosomes; One from her mother and one from her father. This unique transfer of the Y-chromosome (yDNA) from father to son, makes the yDNA very useful in studies of human migrations going back tens of thousands of years. About 50% of all Saami males are carrying yDNA of type N1c (formerly N3a). The most recent major studies of the time-line and ethnic distribution of yDNA type N was published in July 2016 (Link 1) and carried out by a large group of international scientists for top universities in Estonia, Russia, Republic of Belarus, Ukraine, United Kingdom and USA: Link 1: http://www.cell.com/ajhg/pdfExtended/S0002-9297(16)30160-4 A total of 6521 yDNA samples from 56 populations were studied using the latest high resolution DNA techniques available. The figure above shows an excerpt of the full N haplogroup three given in Link 1 that is most relevant to the genetic history of the Saami people. The full N haplopgroup three presents the refined topology of Y-chromosome haplogroup N based on re-sequencing 6.2 Mbp in 94 individuals. The figure above illustrates that the Saami people may have branched off as a genetically separate population as recently as 2.0-2.5 kilo years ago (kya). Both males and females are carriers of mitochondria DNA (mtDNA), but only the females can transfer their mtDNA to their children. This unique transfer from mother to daughter makes the mtDNA very useful in studies of human migrations going back tens of thousands of years. just as described above for yDNA. One of the most recent major international scientific studies that include mtDNA carried by the Saami people, is described in Link 2: Link 2: http://static-curis.ku.dk/portal/files/123064786/journal.pgen.1003296.pdf In short one of the most significant finds from this study can be summarized by the following excerpt from the summary of the scientific article found in Link 2: “We identified remarkable genetic dissimilarities between prehistoric and modern-day North East Europeans/Saami, which suggests an important role of post-Mesolithic migrations from Western Europe and subsequent population replacement/extinctions.”