O'Brien Surname Project

"There's a little bit of Irish in all of us" - But are you an O'Brien?
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Bill O'Brien Bill O'Brien
February 26 @ 3:00pm
Hi John, I think I've now turned on all the right settings for matching etc, Can you have a look at my Results. My Kit No is B245712. On Gedmatch my kit No. is A286034. rgds . . . . Bill
John Richard OBrien
March 1 @ 2:09pm
Hey Bill, lets take a look. Sorry for the delay but was traveling back from Asia the last day or so. So looking at your STR's you are zero matches at 111 and some at 67 and just limited number at 37. Of note, no O'Brien's or related surnames in any of them but like all surnames they are a recent invention in human history. Also be advised your results are clearly not dalcassian but indicate another known Irish haplotype. Our Predictor Model indicates your results are a 6 for 6 for the signature for L159.2 branch and likely somewhere downstream around that slightly older Z255 arena. Z255 and its downstream subclades are SNPs within R1b-L21, and are associated with a DNA signature commonly known as the Irish Sea Haplotype. This unique haplotype is found in Northwestern Europe, mainly around the Irish Sea coasts of Great Britain and Ireland, but can also be found in France, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden. Your next step is to consider SNP testing for Z255 and its sub-clades but I would consult for further advice with that project at: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r1b-l159-2/about/background Bill, we have many O'Brien's from all kinds of branches of the human family tree and your continued attendance at our Project will likely help someone down the road and obviously you as well. Happy Hunting!
Bill O'Brien
March 11 @ 1:33pm
Hi John, Thanks for the research and all the info re the L159.2 branch, Z255 and the Irish Sea haplotype. In the last 3 hundred years or so my family of O’Briens have been located on the eastern seaboard of County Wexford in Ireland, on the Irish Sea, and they may have been there for who knows how long. The original people in that area were referred to by the ancient Gaelic term “Macamore”, meaning the “Sons of the Sea”, in English. It’s a line I will now be doing some research on. I’ll consult with the Z255 project, but I’ll be staying with this project for quite a while yet. Thanks again and keep up the good work. Rgds . . . . . Bill
Craig O'Brien Craig O'Brien
March 6 @ 6:59pm
My results just through B447669, good to see some matches with O'Briens or Bryant, I thought perhaps we weren't O'Briens, so I am hoping this means I do have O'Brien blood. If you could have a look and help me work out what the results say would be appreciated.
John Richard OBrien
March 7 @ 6:39am
Craig, congrats on your test results for kit O’Brien/B447669. The results indicate that you fit 9 for 9 for the signature for L226. That would make you a Dalcassian O’Brien which in itself is an exceedingly rare result based on our overall testing of O’Briens. So yes, without a shred of doubt, you are an O’Brien as you mentioned. I need you to now join the L226 Project in addition to ours so we can do further analysis of your kit. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l226-project/about/background Membership to that Project is restricted so when you apply please state that “per O’Brien Project Admin John Richard O’Brien my Y-STR results indicate L226”. Please let me know when that is done and congrats again.
Craig O'Brien
March 7 @ 5:36pm
Thanks John, that result is a little surreal. I have requested membership to the L226 group as requested. I am still trying to work out what the results mean, for example "Genetic Distance" researching this comes up with so much info, but in simple terms does this mean a genetic distance of "1" means this would be a closest relation, or the probability we share a distant ancestor is greater than 2,3 or 4? I have 2 matches with genetic distance 1 with a surname Bryant. Thanks for the great news, Regards Craig
John Richard OBrien
March 8 @ 6:31am
Hey Craig, I saw your L226 membership go through so thank you. Yes, you likely share a common ancestor with these GD of 1 folks as well as the ones more distant. Look at it this way, this a matching tool so its looking at your kit and comparing it to another Y-37 testers kit one to one. It looks at your marker values and his kit and says at a GD of 1 that your number values are differing (mutation) in one specific place (address on Y Chromosome) by 1 or one step or GD of 1. To have this happen just at zero or just once at 37 markers means you likely share a more recent patrineal history then say someone at a GD of 3. Unfortunately it isnt that simple because over time you can have folks look more alike on GD than what their real relationship is which can be further away in time. The reason this happens is that markers values move in different directions and mutate at different rates with some slower and some faster. That is why Robert Casey and I recommend you increase your Y-STR coverage to Y-67 or even better Y-111. That way we can see who stays close to you on GD with increased markers and more importantly see where you chart against other O’Briens and what unique mutations defining your family branching likely exist.
Michael Crow
March 11 @ 8:27am
Craig, One of my GD=1 matches is descended from the brother of my 5th GGGF. to give you an idea. I have a number of 2,3,4 matches which I believe will be varying distance cousins from him.
Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien
March 3 @ 3:59am
Hello John I have been busy with our family tree for some time now, and I keep running into some familiar roadblocks. I have used my fathers DNA for the purpose of this research project, and his kit number is No. IN43231. We have a long seafaring history, and we know that my great grandfather emigrated to Australia from Arklow around 1914. He married Anastasia Kenny in 1913. The Kenny’s were also a seafaring family. Known family names include O’Brien - Arklow Kenny - Arklow Keating – Wexford Davidson (from Fife Scotland) Interestingly though, many of the DNA matches are connected to the Maguire/Mcguire family name. Which brings me to the next question, I wonder where our O’Brien family initially originate from, as I do not see any O’Briens from Arklow/Wicklow area. Could you please recommend what step I should take next. Thank you Kylie O’Brien
John Richard OBrien
March 4 @ 6:32am
Hi Kylie, looking at your fathers kit, O'Brien/IN43231, he seems to be fitting the signature for L69.5 in our modeling tool. His Y-STR's results from his Y37 test match that signature at 8 out of 12 for the markers identifying that group. The path to get there in the haplotree is DF13+ => L513+ => Z16335+, L69.5 assuming of course his tests positive at some point for the SNP's downstream of L513. The next testing level I would do is a 67 marker upgrade and speak to the admin of the Project referenced below about which SNP Pack is appropriate for your kit. These admin's along with staying in our Project can help you get more specific info based on your results. That being said, looking at the folks he matches at 37 markers, McGuire's are jumping out so I did a bit of research to see where those gentleman are from and this is what I see on the below link in the R-L21+L69+ Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L21L69?iframe=yresults Looking at the results of the men he matches closest on dads Y-DNA results page they seem to be downstream of both L513 and L69.5 as a terminal SNP and more specifically, at R-Z16337 where the McGuires are listed. Co Fermanaugh, Ireland stands out as their place of origin as well as some others. Since Y-DNA is looking at a deeper Ancestry it is key for you to see if the folks you match now at Y37 stay close at the Y67. That will be your best Y-DNA clue for time and place of people and surnames you share with a common ancestor in this male line.
Robert O'Brien
March 5 @ 1:14am
Good morning John. Thank you so much for having a look and I will go ahead an order the 67 marker upgrade and continue to unravel our little family mystery..
willard obrien willard obrien
February 26 @ 9:14pm
Kit # 982103 here. Trying to find out what O'Briens we belong to back in Ireland and I am showing as being ungrouped. What additional tests can you recommend for me?
John Richard OBrien
March 1 @ 3:09pm
Hey Willard, I assume you meant the kit O'Brien/892103. I believe it may be big time premature to figure out some of your Irish roots but y-matches are a large clue now and going forward, I notice you don't have autosomal testing done through Family Finder and that may give you a more recent history of where your James Patrick O'Brien b. 1839 descends from in Ireland. Based on the findings at 37 markers I think you should consider upgrading to 67 or 111 markers. Our model to predict where you might fall is effective at the 67 marker level. If I am reading the tea leaves here I would say this. You do not likely match the dalcassian signature with only 2 of 9 on our signature match. You have no O'Brien matches at 37. Of the 13 matches you do match at 37 the surname Heldridge appears 6 times. Because your STR results are not the most common I see I would venture to guess if I dip way down into that tea cup that you maybe in the range of the signature for R-U198 but don't hold me to that. I would join that group in addition to ours and consult with the Project admins about your results before further testing. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/u198/about/background
Bill O'Brien Bill O'Brien
February 26 @ 2:55pm
Hi John,
Neil Hamilton O'Brien Neil Hamilton O'Brien
January 29 @ 9:45am
To kit numbers 51830; 180650; 39400; B125086; 42569; 435699; 319605; 269500; 308349; 662720, surname O’Brien, all of you have very ancient matching ancestry as there are unique shared markers within your first 12 STRs on DYS390 (24); DYS391 (10), DYS385b (15) and DYS439 (11). The majority of you have a shared DYS456 (15) and DYS442 (13). There is also a commonality on DYS447 (24); DYS458 (17); DYS449 (29); Y-GATA-H4 (11) and finally DYS565(11). The O’Brien project has you grouped, with others, under heading ‘DD: R:M269+ (R1b1a2) Western European Haplogroup - O'Brien Related Surname’. However it is clear from the unique markers, listed above, that you all belong to the Irish Type II Modal, or the Southern Irish type. This subclade, coming off L21 was identified by Dr. Ken Nordtvedt in 2006 and all of you have the classic 14 markers that distinguish you as belonging to haplogroup CTS4466. It is impossible that any of you descend from Brian Boru, as the ancestor of Irish Type III (which encompass the main Dal Cais lines) separated from the ancestors of Irish Type II after L21/DF13 – which happened thousands of years before the birth of Brian Bóruma mac Cennétig. I am writing to you to consider doing some further testing on your kits, particularly some SNP testing which can give you all a snapshot into your deep ancestry. My own kit, 662720, was originally grouped with yours, however it is now grouped in this (O'Brien) project under R-CTS4466 Grp (Irish type II). There is no doubt that all the kits listed above also belong in this group, given your markers. However where you sit downstream of CTS4466 will only be determined by further SNP testing. At the advice of the CTS4466 project (which you should all join btw – it’s absolutely fantastic with amazing experts ever ready to help), I purchased the R1b - CTS4466 SNP Pack, which cost about US$180. I matched to A151, but unfortunately could go no further downstream without doing a Big Y as my downstream and terminal SNPs have not yet been discovered. I’m interested in finding other O’Briens matching to the A151 subclade, and we could perhaps look at pooling resources to see if we could take a kit downstream via the Big Y and discover our terminal SNPs. My family originated from the Cork region, and I am pretty sure that there is a significant branch of A151 individuals with the surname O’Brien living in this area, as well as Tipperary and other regions of Munster. This would be an interesting project and might shed some light on our origins. There is a cheaper option than taking the R1b - CTS4466 SNP Pack, and you can directly purchase the A151 SNP for just US$18, which is a relatively modest investment. Of course, this appeal is aimed only at the kit numbers listed above, it is of no relevance to anyone else in the project, though those of you who have characteristics of CTS4466 should consider the big Y or R1b - CTS4466 SNP Pack. All of these tests are available from FTDNA and there is no need to submit a new sample – they already have the sample you submitted when you originally purchased your kit. By way of background (and forgive me, I am not an expert – if you want more accurate information join the CTS4466 project) Irish type II is found in its greatest concentration in the South of Ireland, particularly in Munster. The gathering consensus is suggesting that the ancestor of Irish Type II most likely came from Wales and lived around 2316 years ago, though in origin its parent may have formed in ancient Gaul. The common SNP for Irish Type II is A541, which is a child of Haplogroup CTS4466. The place origin of CTS4466 is not yet known but it is considered that its child, S115, formed in Wales around 2241 years ago. S115 split into 4 subclades, currently known, which are A12404, whose descendants are primarily found in Wales today; A212 & A663, whose descendants are primarily found in Northern England and Scotland, and A541. A541 is considered progenitor of Irish type II haplotype, with an estimated median age of 2046 years from present and he, and/or his descendants, colonised the South of Ireland in very considerable numbers. A541 and its multiple branches currently account for approximately 80% of all branches of CTS4466, which might indicate a large level of colonisation from Wales to Munster around the time the SNP formed. Over 50% of individuals matching positively to SNP A541 match downstream to its child, S1121+ (and subclade SNPs). Within S1121+ is found significant numbers of Sullivans, O’Mahonys and it is also the SNP of the Chief of the name of the O'Donoghue of the Glens. Of course several other surnames of Irish and non-Irish origin are also found within the group and its subclades. Another block, coming directly off A541 is A1135, and approximately 1600 years old. It contains a variety of Irish and non-Irish surnames The majority have ancestry in the South of Ireland, including Donovans, Crowleys, Lynchs, Bryans etc. The last major child block of A541, parallel to S1121 and A1135 is A151. A151 is the smallest of the 3 child blocks of A541, and formed around 1400 years ago. It is distinguished by the fact that it is found in relatively modest numbers outside of Britain and Ireland, particularly in Scandinavia and Germany. It is speculated that the ancestors of these modern men may have been taken as slaves from Munster by the Norse. I match to this subclade. A541 has a wide preponderance in the leading Septs of Munster and some assert that A541 is the speculative eponymous ancestor of the Eóganacht dynasty, more specifically, its child S1121. However it has been pointed out that the McCarthy Mór line is considered not to be CTS4466, but L362 coming off DF21. Similarly the O’Donoghue Mór line is BY11464, again a different branch coming off DF21. These latter 2 Septs are regarded as the principle Eóganacht lines and it has been speculated that their ancestors may be from an entirely different invasion point, possibly Milesians from Southern Europe or elsewhere. As such, therefore, the purported genealogies of the Irish Septs do not seem to match the settlement patterns which modern DNA appears to be unearthing. If you have any questions about this, or want to know how to take SNP tests, just shout and I will come back to you.
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Neil Hamilton O'Brien
February 1 @ 8:35am
Hi Dennis, I've done some more analysis on the STRs and kit no.'s 89097 and 140574 are also O'Brien surnames that are undoubtedly CTS4466. It would be great to have all these kits, and the kits listed in my original post above, all listed together. Do you think it would be possible to add also, at the top, 'please test SNP using R1b CTS4466 package'. This way we might encourage them to take the SNP.
Neil Hamilton O'Brien
February 1 @ 1:03pm
I''ve done some more analysis on the DNA results list and based on their STR pattern, kit no.'s 89097 and 140574 are O'Brien surname males who are undoubtedly also CTS4466. I don't think there are any other patently obvious candidate kits within the project that match the haplogroup. When the new CTS4466 group is listed, it will have (by my estimation) have 18 kits in total matching to this CTS4466 with the surname O’Brien. This is a small, but perhaps significant cluster. In total I think I have identified 10 kits which should be added to the CTS4466 (89097; 319605; 435699; 140574; 242569; B125086; 39400; 180650; 51830; 308349). None of these kits have done SNP testing and should be urged to complete the R1b CTS4466 SNP pack on FTDNA, or more ideally, complete a big Y. It is clear that all of these kits will be Irish type II, also known as Southern Irish type. But which branch of A541 will they below to? As I mentioned in the post above, there are 3 parallel blocks coming of A541. S1121+ is the largest subclade. The other 2 parallel blocks are 1135+ and A151+. A151+ is the smallest of the 3. Currently the O’Brien project lists 8 kits under CTS4466, all of whom have done some level of basic or advanced SNP testing. Interestingly A151 is actually the largest subclade in the CTS4466 O’Brien cluster, which rather bucks the trend of other family projects. A541/S1121+. Kit numbers 292091 and 504583 match to subclade A151/S1121+. In terms of STR markers, these two individuals are not a particularly close match. Out of 67 markers, they match 62 out of 67, which indicates a very remote MRCA. Kit number 292091 has 2 RecLOH mutations on DYS449 and DYS464 - which are rather unique. Stretching out to 111, the DYS712 and DYS640 are also rather unusual. This suggests that there are a lot of individuals out there yet to be discovered who are ‘in-betweeners’ for 292091 and 504583, and the ancestral lines appear to have diverged and branched off several hundred years ago. A541/A1135+ There are also 2 individuals matching to A151/1135+, kit numbers 322512 and N9778. These two individuals are actually an excellent match. On a measure of 67 STRs, they match 67/67 – a genetic distance of zero. A match of this magnitude is most unusual unless the two testers are very closely related. Both share very unusual mutations on the DYS460 and DYS456, which are very atypical of the CTS4466 norm. Therefore markers indicated a shared RecLOH mutation which definitively proves that the kit owners share a very recent ancestor. A541/A151 A151 is interesting because it bucks the trend of other family projects and is the most common subclade of O’Briens matching to the CTS4466 subclade. However this is somewhat deceptive, and in any case the numbers are far too small as yet to make any firm conclusion. Within this subclade there are 4 kits: 17156, 46005, 269500 and 662720. It is clear that 17156 and 46005 share only the most remote ancestry with 269500 and 662720. The surname for 17156 and 46005 is Bryan and both have a common recorded pedigree in descent from Cornelius O'Bryan, who lived in Clare in 1697. Whilst the markers of these kits are classic CTS4466…/A541, Irish Type II, the more modern origins of this Bryan line do not appear to be ‘native’ Irish, inasmuch as we understand this concept in a modern sense. It appears likely their ancestor came to Ireland from England in more recent centuries. This is not unusual in the context of A151 and whilst A151 seems to have formed in the South of Ireland around 1400-1800 years ago, the subclade is found in reasonable concentrations outside of Ireland, even as far afield as Scandinavia. One very authoritative commentator on this subclade has compared A151 to tumble weed, which by its very nature breaks off from its parent plant and rolls away in the wind, spreading its seed far and wide. As such the ancestor of these Bryans, whether known or unknown, left the land of their ancestors in remote time, and through relatively recent colonisation and plantation, rolled back into town again. 17156 and 46005 actually match one another ridiculously closely - 110/111 markers. Again, this clearly demonstrates that the two sample donors are very closely related, and they are separated only by a single mutation on the DYS385 marker. Whilst they both carry the classic CTS4466 genetic signature, there are very unique mutations carried by these two individuals in common, most particularly in the DYS607; DYF406S1; DYS481; DYS572; DYS714; DYS532 and DYS635. This makes 17156 and 46005 so radically different to any of the others in the O’Brien CTS4466 cluster, that they both must be considered as completely sui generis. As such this line broke away from the other A151 lines called O’Brien thousands of years ago, long before O’Brien patronymic was adopted by the Dal gCais lines of King Brian, and his allies in 1014. Now to Kit numbers 269500 and 662720. Both are A151, but they are sitting fairly high upstream and their downstream terminal SNPs are yet to be discovered, and are as yet not included in the SNP pack R1b CTS4466. This won’t happen until one or other of the kit owners takes a big Y, and their SNPs incorporated into the R1bCTS4466 pack, so people can do SNP testing at a more reasonable cost. As such, they’re called upon to be men for others, so the past can be unravelled for future generations of testers. I am actually kit no. 662720 and my kit does not match kit number 269500 in any promising way. In fact on a 67 marker comparison, we are both at a genetic distance of 10, which indicates a very remote ancestry long before genealogical time (ie in the last 1000 years). It would be very interesting indeed to see what the downstream SNPs are for both our lines, which will chart the history of this branch of A151 and date the point at which both lines branched apart. ySTR markers are good, in as far as they go, in establishing connections in genealogical time. However with haplogroups such as CTS4466, which can mutate back and forth, they are not particularly good at reaching back into the mists of time, and can give false positives due to convergence. In my own 111 STR test, I match to no one at all in the database. Filtering this to a 67 match, I match 60/67 to a number of individuals, which suggests a remote relationship in genealogical time (ie the last 800 years or so) with them. I matched reasonably closely to a cluster called Ballard. However a recent common ancestor between us is impossible as the Ballard’s, whilst CTS4466/…A541, are part of the S1121+ block and not A151. This means that I and the Ballard cluster could not have had a common ancestor within the last 1500 years – even though the ySTR markers were suggesting otherwise. However, ySTR markers are not totally useless, and are very beneficial for finding matches to people you have never heard of, but share a recent ancestor in the last few hundred years. I did match to one O’Brien, 60/67, kit number 308349. Kit number 308349 is interesting because I have no known relationship to this individual. He is undoubtedly CTS4466..A541, but has done no SNP testing at all and his haplogroup sits way down at the bottom of the haplotree at R-M269. However 308349 does state that his ancestor came from Cork – the home of my ancestor. By hook and by crook I managed to pierce through the veil of anonymity for kit no. 308349, and without revealing their identity, I found that their ancestor was born in the early 1820s and emigrated to the United States. Our lines have been separated for over 200 years, however this is little doubt that kit no. 308349 and I share a MCRA in relatively recent times. Of all the CTS4466 O’Briens in the project, I match 308349 the closest. We share very unique mutations on the DYS459; DYS437; DYS570 and DYS511 ySTR markers. Therefore I can say with reasonable confidence that the A151 Cork branch is at least 200 years old, and there has been no NPE in the line in recent generations. But how old is this line? Based on the samples picked from this O’Brien project, it would seem that there is possibly a modest A151 Southern Irish cluster of O’Briens, which have survived the vicissitudes and bottlenecks of history to modern times. With 308349 identified as most certainly A151, this opens questions about the other CTS4466 O’Brien lines which have done no testing. There are 9 in all: 89097; 319605; 435699; 140574; 242569; B125086; 39400; 180650; 51830; 308349. Based on the ySTR markers there are very little commonalities between any of these individuals readily discernible. All are definitely A541, but which branch of the 3 blocks do they belong to? Are the majority of CTS4466 O’Briens A151, or are they S1121+ or even 1135+? Are you one of these CTS4466 O’Briens? Do you want to know who your ancient ancestors were? Do you want to know if there is a very old A151 O’Brien line, and where it came from and why did it adopt the surname O’Brien – could it be a Clontarf connection? More SNP testing will make what the ySTR markers are telling us much clear and the more people that test, the more we can age the lines and establish the in-betweeners. This requires us CTS4466 O’Briens to commit to SNP testing, whether using the R1 CTS4466 SNP pack on FTDNA, or even a big Y. As yet the SNPs downstream of A151+ for O’Briens in this subclade are yet to be discovered. Would we like to pool resources so a few of us can take these expensive tests…….. Much to think about…..
Sheridan O'Brien
February 16 @ 4:20pm
According to my Ancestry.com migration information...both myself (568146) and more importantly, my Father (648804) are said to originate from around Munster. My 40 year brick wall is Grandfather (William born around 1900) said to have parents Patrick and Annie (Johnson) from NY City. Is there some place else I should be researching on FTDNA? Regards, Mick
Sheridan O'Brien
February 16 @ 4:42pm
Hi Neil, I have Ballard's in my family tree from Leicester who migrated to Australia...there is some mystery here with children being named one Surname then raised by Ballards etc FYI Mick
Edward O'Brien Edward O'Brien has a question!
February 7 @ 10:48am
What Irish Type would I be in? Kit #615478 that I manage for my brother. Known relative was Patrick O'Brien....somewhere in Ireland, we thought. Thank You
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Edward O'Brien
February 8 @ 4:21pm
Also, it showed a match to Xchromosome at 10.5cm to John O'Brien. I am female
Edward O'Brien
February 8 @ 4:22pm
so I'm a bit confused. Thank you so much, John Richard. Best. Val
John Richard OBrien
February 9 @ 9:08pm
A likely reason is that you may be related to him both within 5-7 gens on one line on your autosomal FF test as well as on your paternal line of your brothers Y test.. Not very far fetched where folks lived within walking distance to all their cousins in 19th century Ireland.
Edward O'Brien
February 12 @ 2:50pm
Thank you for your help, John Richard.
Robert O'Bryan Robert O'Bryan has a question!
February 2 @ 4:11am
Hi, Sorry, I don't know what happened to my last post, it wouldn't allow me to save. I manage my Dad, Elvin P O'Bryan Jr's BigY Kit No. B122229 I don't really understand what his info means. Does he need to get more SNP testing, if so which one? I also manage my 5th cousin, Robert O'Bryan's BigY Kit No. 656407 and have the same questions for him, which may have different answers. Both of our lines have a common (dead-end) gggg grandfather, Thomas O'Bryan (abt 1760 – 1827) ID# LH5L-HMK (a FamilySearch ID# to enter into FIND), who raised his family in Chatham Co, NC in the 1700s, then the family moved to Kentucky. Our family have been trying to move past Thomas genealogically for decades (for me personally it's been nearly 45 years). The family has been so hoping the DNA tests from both men would help. I really need help & don't have any idea where to go from here. I'd be thankful for any help, ideas, or thoughts. We are trying to get to Ireland and Keep Smiling, Janice (O'Bryan) Byington gene-pool@comcast.net
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Michael Crow
February 7 @ 10:02am
I'm fortunate, I have a strong Y-37 L226/DC135 set of markers, that and Sirname filtering, I have 27 Crows at Y-37 at GD<7, which expands to GD<10 over the 5 or 6 Y-111 Crows. And we also think there's a bunch of twisted up clusters of cousin's , brothers and half-brothers, and multiwifes, etc, etc with too many John's and James...
Mark Ó Brien
February 8 @ 11:06am
Hi Janice, I recently had a period of forced rest and in my dream state had some insight. Would you email me so we can try an experiment? obeedude@gmail.com
Mark Ó Brien
February 8 @ 11:08am
PS: do you know if Thomas was in the British Military service before he settled in America?
Mark Ó Brien
February 8 @ 3:51pm
Janice! I can answer your question! :) ...if you read Chapter XVI of The History of The O’Briens of Ara on page 186 it mentions a Colonel John O’Brien dying in “Barbados.” I looked Barbados up on Wiki and it states when indentured servants survived their indenture they were rewarded with land in as compensation for servitude in North Carolina. I think that you should look there.
Timothy OBrien Timothy OBrien has a question!
January 6 @ 4:53am
Any O'Briens here who had their relatives come to the Philadelphia area in the mid-to late 1800s?
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James O'Brien
January 9 @ 9:27am
Not Philly but a possible Westmoreland connection through a marriage with a McCort family
Tom O’Brien
January 18 @ 2:34pm
Hi Timothy, my great grand aunt emigrated to Philadelphia in 1880. She was from Roscommon. Where are your family from?
Mark Ó Brien
January 19 @ 8:42pm
Yes, but late 1890s and early 1900s from Pittsfield Mass.
Timothy OBrien
February 8 @ 3:44pm
Tom O'Brien, my great grandmother came here in 1891. Not sure from where. Family lore says from Co. Claire. But I don't know. She died in 1906. Her name was Marie Spillane. My grandfather moved the brood to Camden, NJ in about 1946 when my grandmother passed from TB. I have a fairly extensive tree in Ancestry. tfobrien58@gmail.com
JoAnne O'Brien-Levin JoAnne O'Brien-Levin has a question!
February 6 @ 1:34pm
My brother's Y-DNA37 test results just came in. His Haplogroup is R-M269. His name is Stephen O'Brien, and kit No. is 894315. I have been trying to pinpoint where in Ireland our GGF James O'Brien, b. about 1827, emigrated from. I would very much appreciate any further insight on the results and/or suggestions for further investigation. Thank you very much.
John Richard OBrien
February 6 @ 7:25pm
Hi Joanne, I would love to help you but I cannot find kit O'Brien/894315 in our Project. Please double check kit number.
JoAnne O'Brien-Levin
February 6 @ 10:08pm
Hi John, I think I have joined the project with his kit number now.
John Richard OBrien
February 7 @ 10:56am
Joanne, thank you for joining the Project and giving us access to your brothers 37 marker test. At this time I want you to also join one more of our Projects which is the L226 Project as your brothers markers appear to have come back indicating he is a Dalcassian O'Brien, congratulations! Your next step is to join that L226 Project first and then we can further discuss geography as well next steps.
JoAnne O'Brien-Levin
February 7 @ 9:17pm
Thank you very much. I have joined the L226 project with his kit number.