G-M285 or M342 Y-DNA

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Are you a member of the G-M285 or M342 Y-DNA project?
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Alain Verschaeren Alain Verschaeren
Admin
December 29, 2018 @ 5:37pm
As some of you might have noticed, I have not been as active on this project as I used to. Work pressures mean I simply don't have the time anymore. If one or more of you are interested to get involved and have some spare time, it would be great if we could add a few co-admins to the project. We now have over 250 samples and with new BigY's being added all the time there is a lot of interesting analysis to be done which I simply don't get to anymore. Tasks include: welcoming new members, answering questions, maintaining the project register, moderating this forum etc... There is really no requirement for in-depth technical knowledge, most of it is about communication and where to find answers. I am in any case staying on as an administrator until a G1 man is willing to take this on (I am myself not G1 and already administer another project) . It is however a requirement for all admins to agree to the terms and conditions which are there to protect members' privacy. You can find them here: https://www.familytreedna.com/legal/terms/group-project-administrator If you are interested or want to discuss, please send me an email (rather than replying to this post) Alain
Alain Verschaeren Alain Verschaeren
Admin
January 21 @ 2:39pm
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Douglas Hey Douglas Hey has a question!
April 28, 2019 @ 3:47pm
My kit # is 871046. When I joined this project I was placed in CTS11562 but needing more testing. At that time there was a test for F2885 which I signed up for. After waiting a few weeks, I was informed that the test could not be performed; the F2885 SNP test is no longer available. There are other downstream SNPs but no testing is available. Am I stopped at CTS11562? Is there another project that I should investigate? Comments? There are two other folks in this project with the same ancestor. One I'm in contact with; the other I do not know who he is. Neither show as Y-DNA Matches. The one that I know, we share 6th great grandparents from family genealogy. How many generations back to a common ancestor can I reasonably expect from Y-DNA? Thanks.
Alain Verschaeren
May 19 @ 4:43pm
Hi Douglas, I ran the genetic distance report against the other samples in the project but I could not find anyone close to you (other than the other Mr Hey). In situations like these the best option is to order the SNP Pack rather than testing for individual SNP's as it will work out more cost effective. Another alternative is a BigY but that is obviously more expensive. As to expectations on a common ancestor, in a rare subgroup like this the odds are not good in terms of getting a recent one. We are talking in hundreds/thousands of years for most existing subgroups.
Douglas Hey
May 20 @ 5:34pm
Thanks. Yes, the SNP Pack got me from M201 to CTS11562.
Alain Verschaeren
May 25 @ 5:50pm
Hi Douglas. Since you are CTS11562+ but negative for all subgroups below it (at least those that are included in the SNP pack) this is as precise as we can get for now testing for known SNP's. What this means in practice is that either you belong to an as yet undiscovered subgroup below CTS11562 OR that you belong to one which was discovered after the SNP pack was created. The first possibility is unfortunately the more likely since you have no STR matches at all in the project (other than Hey men which I have now also moved) so testing randomly amongst known SNP's is likely to be unsuccesful. I think the only option to make progress is something like a next gen test (BigY). This is not a test for known SNP's but scans a broad area of the Y Chromosome and it is the source of most new subgroups we identify. I would like to stress though that if your main goal is to discover 'recent' male line ancestors this is unlikely to help - STR testing alone is usually sufficient for that purpose and as mentioned above you do not have any matches in the whole database.
Douglas Hey
May 27 @ 11:19am
Thx
Jeff Kraus Jeff Kraus has a question!
December 13, 2018 @ 6:20pm
I tested negative for M285 (=M342?) in the DeepSNP-G sequence. As a result, I believe I don't belong in this project. Is this correct? Thanks!
Alain Verschaeren
December 29, 2018 @ 5:28pm
Hi Jeff, You are clearly L830+ as per the SNP test so you are definitely in the correct project. For some reason M285 is only 'presumed' positive but that does not change your terminal SNP which is L830
Jeff Kraus
January 3, 2019 @ 5:03pm
Thank you!
Antonio Lui Antonio Lui
October 15, 2018 @ 9:45pm
Guys, good night! I manage my cousin's DNA kit (nephew of my paternal grandmother). His paternal last name is Navarro-Cárceres (origin: Lorca, Murcia, Spain). Today the result of your Big Y 500 test came out. The result was G-F2885. Does anyone have information about this subclass of G-CTS11562? Thankful.
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Antonio Lui
October 20, 2018 @ 7:07pm
Anton/Michelle Miller Hello, thank you for your message! Interesting! So now my cousin has moved to subclass G-F2885.
Samuel Benton
October 25, 2018 @ 8:07pm
Hello Mr. Navarro. I am F2885 positive. F2885 contains the Benton family and Poole /Pool family from England and France. We all live in the U.S.
Samuel Benton
October 25, 2018 @ 8:07pm
Welcome to the family.
Samuel Benton
October 25, 2018 @ 8:11pm
I was the first person found with F2885. So far there isn't much know about our subgroup.
Anton/Michelle Miller Anton/Michelle Miller
July 25, 2017 @ 9:38am
Hello all -- I found this paper that may be of interest to you on G1a. They have quite a bit of information on the M285 portion of tree, including tribal names, that may assist with historical background. I am digging aroundin the data to see if kit 97670 and related kits have a home with the Kazaks or Armenians. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0122968#pone.0122968.s006
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Anton/Michelle Miller
July 31, 2017 @ 6:43pm
Well, I started this project, but I am not seeing any definitative pattern. One big thing is that all the STR findings in the study for DYS389ii are under 20, while the group in question is registering 28-29 at this spot. Am I right to assume that this group of men are quite separate from the overall 200+ subjects in that study, based on this marker difference?
Alain Verschaeren
August 1, 2017 @ 12:03am
DNA testing companies or labs in certain cases use different nomenclatures to designate the same Y-STR allele. Given the discrepancy this almost certainly the case here. Not sure what you the sources are you are comparing but might be worth doing a Google search on those.
B Artur
August 3, 2017 @ 6:21pm
Thank you!
Anton/Michelle Miller
October 21, 2018 @ 12:29pm
I just checked, as you suggested Alain. Wikipedia says "DYS389 is a multi-copy marker, and includes DYS389i and DYS389ii. DYS389ii refers to the total length of DYS389. Therefore, when there is a one step mutation at DYS389i, it will also appear in DYS389ii. " So it is likely that 28-29 is the total length of DYS389i plus DYS389B. I found on another site that 16 is the most common for 389i and 30/29 are most common for 389ii.
Alain Verschaeren Alain Verschaeren
Admin
October 10, 2017 @ 9:29pm
I have updated the status diagram with the recalibrated dates from YFull submissions. I would again like to encourage all BigY or Full Genome testers to submit their BAM files to YFull, and for those men who have already done so to update your country of origin and join the G group (email me if you need any assistance) A full sized pdf version of the status diagram can be downloaded from the LINKS page (see menu on the left)
B Artur
October 20, 2017 @ 1:44pm
Thanks Alain!
Anton/Michelle Miller
October 20, 2018 @ 4:25pm
Alain, this is different than one I found in a journal article. The one I've been using indicated that CTS11562 was parent to GG313 so I just ordered that test. It looks that from your chart that things have changed somewhat. If GG313 is negative, I should test for F2885, DYS494=8, and BY1124? If positive, GG167 and GG265? And thanks for updating the chart based on most recent tests. I am trying to get my cousin to submit his results - CTS11562.
Thomas Pool Thomas Pool has a question!
June 23, 2018 @ 7:18pm
Did you find Native American in my results?
Alain Verschaeren
June 30, 2018 @ 5:03pm
Hi Thomas, none whatsover, but note I only review the Y-SNP results which unless you are haplogroup Q are negative for this by definition. I think you are probably referring to Autosomal testing (which can give you ethnicity estimates) but that is not really my area of expertise.
Antonio Lui Antonio Lui has a question!
June 11, 2018 @ 2:18pm
Dear friends, Does anyone know of a study that deals with the incidence of haplogroup Y G-M342 in Spain (Murcia region)? Thankful.
Robert Poole
June 20, 2018 @ 3:14pm
I dont, but I hosted an exchange student whose grandmother was a Poole as I am a Poole...And I'd really love for his family to test. He said that his Grandmothers father came from England to work the mines of Spain, he wasnt there long and was involved in the Spanish war leaving the wife with child as he was killed in the fighting. My Students name was Alvaro Visus....but I have connected with other Pooles in Spain while search for information. They say they knew of other Pool family in other regions of Spain, but had lost contact over the many years. I have not come up with much more than that,
Alain Verschaeren Alain Verschaeren
Admin
June 3, 2018 @ 10:55pm
Dear new G-M342 members, Before the recent privacy upgrade I emailed each new member with some basic information, a prediction on which part of the G-M342 tree they might belong to, as well as some options for further testing. There are a couple of issues with this now - mainly that it has become a very time-consuming exercise to provide advise as FTDNA has set our access for new users to 'very restricted' . In summary, in future I will continue to do my best to place new members in the right subgroup but will not contact anyone proactively. If you are willing to share your data (i.e. update your privacy settings) and have any specific questions please email me directly (or post here) and I will try and respond promptly Cheers, Alain Verschaeren
Alain Verschaeren Alain Verschaeren
Admin
August 27, 2017 @ 5:27pm
I have made a couple of changes to the status diagram (see LINKS page) to reflect the latest updates to the tree. In particular, the addition of BY1124 which separates F2885 from the rest of CTS11562 meant re-numbering the whole tree.