Kincaid

Peter Kincaid

October 18 @ 1:32pm

I prepared the following graphic for one of my daughters to show her our (R-A321 Kincaids) apparent migration route throughout history. This incorporates what we know so far. It includes a couple of recent ancient dna findings of R-321 predecessors (i.e. R-Z346) that were part of the Viking world.

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Don Kincaid

October 20 @ 7:40am

the origins of all the Group A Big Y matches .

Peter Kincaid

October 20 @ 9:12am

The R-A321 Kincaids have a R-FGC12993 brother clade in R-FGC12995 which consists of Wheadon, Dean and Phelps. All three families are from Somerset, England in towns within 10 miles of each other (Axminster, South Chard and Crewkerne). With no R-FGC12993 cousins in Scotland it seems only logical our Kincaids spent some time in that area as well. If our Kincaid ancestors arrived in Scotland as Roman soldiers, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, or Vikings over 1000 years ago, then one would expect multiple families in Scotland with dna close to ours. The evidence to date does not support this. With our R-FGC12993 being the lone family in Scotland then logic dictates that we brought it there with one person pretty close to when our surname originated there.

Peter Kincaid

October 20 @ 9:36am

I should also add that King James II, son of James I and Joan Beaufort, married Mary of Guelders in 1449. She was the daughter of the Duke of Guelders (which included most of present Gelderland, Netherlands). It is no coincidence that John Kincaid's wife nursed her second son and that John Kincaid rose to be Keeper of Linlithgow Palace when she was Regent of Scotland. When in a foreign land one naturally surround themselves with their own people. I think that is why the Kincaids emerged in Scotland with Joan Beaufort and rose rapidly in power with Mary of Guelders.

Peter Kincaid

October 20 @ 11:35am

A lot of what I have to say on the Gelderland connection can be found in an article on my kyncades.org website: http://kyncades.org/GelderlandDna.pdf .

Peter Kincaid

October 12 @ 9:55am

Hello everyone. I'd like Chester County, PA Kincaid researchers to turn their attention to the following family history relating to the Parks of Faggs Manor / Fallowfield township / Upper Octorara Church. They came from Ballybegley townland, County Donegal, Ireland. William Park shared land there with Samuel and Robert Kinkead in the 1730s. This is certainly a place of origin for some of the Chester County Kincaids. https://archive.org/details/genealogyofparke00wall/page/7

Don Kincaid

October 13 @ 7:01pm

Exciting to have another lead for Chester County Kinkeads/Kincaids especially with the 1730 date. Interesting how Park became Parke spelling even though 2 Park men did not accept Parke and they and their descendants kept Park as spelling of their surname.

Kathryn Oemcke

March 17 @ 2:00am

Lennox Castle was built by a Kincaid near the Kincaid lands in Scotland-Lennoxtown. Is anyone out there interested in helping me and a group to save it? It is possible to get funding to help with this.

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Kathryn Oemcke

April 10 @ 8:11pm

Sorry, I was slack, trying to get a job in Glasgow area. This is great people. Yes there have been several attempts. Don, it has been listed as a category A listed building so it is an important building in the scope of things. Christine, not sure what your scope is. However there will be fund applications.

Kathryn Oemcke

April 10 @ 8:15pm

I am working with an American Lawyer who is part of the Lennox Clan. He has got an agreement from support from that clan and he says from the Kincaid clan. He has been helping trying to get some kind of insurance to cover indemnity, so far without success. He discovered that if we can have people live on the site for the next ten or twelve years then we can own if for nothing. It could make getting funding difficult. He has another way which involves taking the castle to Parliament which is much more expensive but expedient. There is also a website that is designed to help guide with projects like this. The first step is the steering committee. Are you both willing to be a part of this? Then I can get my skates on.

Kathryn Oemcke

April 10 @ 8:29pm

Also do you guys have twitter accounts? I started one for Lennox Castle but didn't know what to say. Happy to chat online and repost from you guys to get more followers. Don we were going down the not for profit line as it is easier to get funding this way, but part of my concept was to make a conference room/ballroom for Gatherings to be held. An early step is to sure up some walls. There may be a lot of paperwork before that.

Kathryn Oemcke

April 15 @ 10:51pm

So my lawyer friend has got some quotes for indemnity insurance, in case a wall falls. He will read through this week to ensure it does what it should. Once he decides it's okay, it's time for me to start committing time to the project. Might also need a little help covering the insurance. It looks like about 350 pounds a year which is pretty reasonable. Anyone up to help?

Kathryn Oemcke has a question!

April 10 @ 8:17pm

“ Does anyone know if there is a way to get an alert from this website when a post is made? ”

Richard Hulan

September 24, 2016 @ 7:41pm

I believe, though I'm not positive, that agreement has been reached among most Kincaid researchers that Capt. John Kincaid of the 1770s Elk Garden Fort was the son of David and Winifred (Hobson) Kincaid; husband of Elizabeth née Logan; and father of Hobson Kincaid of Clark County KY, among others. Be all that as it may: I'm posting a link to a Clinch Valley fort locator I just found. One may use the Google map link in it, and drive right by the site of this fort (with the Google street view camera truck), look at it from a satellite, etc. http://fortwiki.com/Fort_Elk_Garden I came across it while working on the genealogy of my wife, née Litton, who is a lineal descendant of Burton Litton (killed by the Indians in 1778), John Dunkin, and Elizabeth the sister of James Laughlin -- all of whom were at Elk Garden with the Kincaids. Our administrator Don Kincaid included some useful Litton references in posting about Elk Garden in 2005: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/kincaid/2005-02/1107630425

James Kincaid

March 27 @ 3:48pm

Hulan this is Mary Ann Kincaid Murray (blast from the past) I have finally gotten my brother John Robert Kincaid IV to test and he did Ancestry; I searched Hulan and came up wth Hulan Aubie "OB" Davenport born 1890 Blue Ridge, GA...and he shows up as JR's 2nd cousin 2xremibed's brother in law...any possibility we have found a connection?

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James Kincaid

March 27 @ 3:49pm

James is my younger half-brother....bye-the-bye. MAKM

Richard Hulan

March 31 @ 9:15pm

I have no knowledge of Hulan as the first name of a known relative. And my Kincaid (Sally, Mrs. Samuel McMurry) is on the paternal side of my tree, but not the Hulan line. My grandmother in that line was Miss Harper, she just married a Hulan in 1893. But btw I have YDNA matches with distant cousins who spell our surname Hulen, Hulin, and Huling (so far). All from piedmont NC or southside VA lines with that surname. Only a branch in the west suburbs of Nashville (before 1850) has spelled it Hulan.

Peter Kincaid

March 13 @ 12:08pm

I tried to post a phylogenetic tree for Group A Kincaids yesterday, but it turned out to be unreadable because of the size. Above is the Fluxus chart I was working from. It is smaller so perhaps more readable. However, the tree takes into account genealogies for some alternative connections. If interested in it, contact me at jwkjgp (at) gmail (dot) com.

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Peter Kincaid

March 16 @ 10:02pm

No. The size of the yellow dots indicates the number of people with the exact str results. If this was the case, then I could pay for 50 close relatives of mine to be tested and everyone would think our line founded the Kincaids. The reference is the Z346 point. Since A321 is a sub group of Z346, then we had to be migrating from that direction. Then one asks what point represents the least number of mutations for everyone. The 213942 point represents the best starting point for everyone. We know my side (57467) is Kincaid A321 and your side (1427) is Kincaid A321 so why would anyone think 2563 represents the Kincaid patriarch when this clearly represents one of your close ancestors. This is the Kincaid of Baronscourt founder (who tradition has was a Kincaid of Auchenreoch) not the markers of the first Kincaid.

Barbara Van Hout

March 18 @ 11:22am

DNA #213942 is a descendant of Robert Kinkade/Mary Bowman who died in Hardin County, KY.

Barbara Van Hout

March 18 @ 11:22am

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/kincaid.rootsweb.com/thread/22824/

Peter Kincaid

March 19 @ 1:33pm

Which does not imply that everyone in the project descends from Robert Kinkade and Mary Bowman. All this means is that sample 213942 carries the same str values in the first 67 markers as the original Group A Kincaid. This person may have mutations in the 68-111 panel (or other non tested strs) that will distinguish him from the Kincaid founder and even Robert Kinkade of Hardin County's str values.

Peter Kincaid

February 7 @ 8:12pm

Any updates on new members of the Y-DNA R-FGC12993 clade that Kincaids belong to with Wheaton, Frank and Carlisle?

Stephan Frank

February 8 @ 11:27am

I do plan on doing the Y-700 Upgrade when it becomes available in the next few months. Would probably be helpful if someone else in the FGC12993 Clade did as well for comparison purposes.

Peter Kincaid

February 8 @ 2:06pm

Hello Stephan. Great to see your post. I just finished a discussion paper looking at the implications of you being in FGC12993 with our Kincaids. I sent it to Grant to upload to my kyncades.org site. I was looking at the history of the Vardingholt area to find anything that might tie in with Kincaids. I put my notes from this review in this paper - more as a one stop guide so other researchers don't have to do the same work. It is not a scholarly paper. Just useful information and how it might apply to Kincaids. Personally, I was left with the conclusion that Kincaids rose to power in the 1450s because of their ancestral ties to Guelders. King James II married Mary of Guelders in 1449 and that is when we began to soar in Scotland. Did you do the Big Y test? I see the benefit of that test and I think it went down in price after Big Y-500 came out. The Big Y-500, and now Big Y-700, are basically the Big Y plus more STR markers. I am not sure how a few hundred more STR markers is going help our Y dna tree. I'd prefer to see 100 more Kincaids testing at 67 markers - something more likely given the costs involved.

Don Kincaid

March 16 @ 3:01pm

A Phelps was added to the FGC12993 Kincaid matches in Dec. 2018. We have asked him to join the Kincaid dna project so we can also see his STR results and learn more about who and where his ancestors lived. We look forward to reading your Kincaid/Frank discussion paper on kyndade.org .

John Cushman

January 17, 2019 @ 12:07pm

I'm looking for my biological family and Y DNA shows Kincaid, but I have yet to find a Kincaid in my other DNA matches. I've tested with Ancestry, 23 and Me and Family Tree DNA (where I found Kincaid at a level 1-3 matches). This is an older picture of me, I'm the adult male in the picture. I was born July 1950 in St Louis Missouri. Any help would be appreciated. I've found Quinley, Reeder, Stanfield/ Stanfill, Abney and other surnames in my tree through atDNA matches.

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Don Kincaid

January 31 @ 11:18pm

John, We sent you an email about your matches. Thanks for posting your request on this site. You might also want to post it on Kincaid-L@rootsweb.com since there are over 200 Kincaid researchers on that list.

Peter Kincaid

December 13, 2018 @ 3:54pm

Could those people who are believed to link back to the Kincaids of Baronscourt, County Tyrone post their Gedmatch kit nos. if they have one.

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Barbara Van Hout

January 10, 2019 @ 8:10pm

Kathy Oemcke's brother took the DNA test, and it matches my ancestor Arthur M. Kinkade, youngest child of Robert Kinkade and Mary Bowman, (Hardin County, KY) at 66 out of 67 markers. Her ancestor immigrated to Australia from the U.S. about 1890 and apparently changed his name, due to legal issues here. I have seen her documents, and they make a strong case that his parents were John Milton Kinkade and Amanda Dunshee of Iowa, son of Eleazar KInkade and Hannah Lyons. This family traces back to James Kinkade and Nancy Taylor...the Kinkade families of Ben Dixon's book and the family that John H Kinkade of Marysville, Ohio wrote about in his book, "A Sketch of the Kinkade Family", 1901.

Peter Kincaid

January 13, 2019 @ 8:21am

Yes Don I would also trust the time estimates of the SNP results over the str results. I noticed a couple of things in my notes that makes me wonder if the Kinkead of Baronscourt are descended from John Kincaid the Covenanting minister of Chalcorrach, Mochrum parish. I believe that there was a tradition that he sailed on the "Henry & Francis" but went to Ireland - albeit descendants settled in upland Pennsylvania. Now he was married to Janet Dunn and her mother was one Janet Hannay. Could she have been a close relation of Sir Robert Hannay of Mochrum parish? Ministers tended to marry into the local notables. Now SIr Robert Hannay's daughter Jane married Sir Robert Reading and had Elizabeth who was the wife of James Hamilton, 6th Earl of Abercorn (c1661-28 Nov 1734). This close connection could explain why the Kinkeads were scattered about the Earl of Abercorn's mansion at Baronscourt with choice properties including the local Inn. To further support this James Chrystie (Christie) was discharged from nearby Kirkcowan during the troubles and went to lead the congregation at Badoney in County Tyrone. This seems to be just east of Newtownstewart and Baronscourt. James Chrystie was married to Margaret Kincaid!

Barbara Van Hout

January 13, 2019 @ 3:15pm

The Kinkade family in John H. Kinkade's short book, "A Sketch of the Kinkade Family", is supposed have been from near Belfast, in County Down. Rev. Joseph Kinkead was a cleric in Killinchy, County Down at a time that would match this Kinkade family. Have all of Rev. Joseph's family been identified?

Peter Kincaid

January 16, 2019 @ 9:44am

All the names of his children are known due to a family history written by his grandson in the 1800s. Not all of his cousins have been identified though. Rev. Joseph Kinkead ministered at Stranolar, County Donegal before going to Killinchy.

Richard Hulan

December 17, 2018 @ 9:21am

This is discussed at length in a separate post, a few minutes ago. Its second page will follow, but is not annotated by me (in red).

Richard Hulan

January 10, 2019 @ 10:44am

Incidentally, over the Christmas holiday I exchanged several emails with the grandson of Mrs. G.R. Scott (who provided these published transcriptions in 1934 and 1928). He has her papers, and found the handwritten copy of the Bible data that she had been given. He sent me scans of it all, Dec. 28th. They confirm the visual error [intrusion of the name "David Kinkead" from the next line, about birth of the couple's first son] that I have previously described here (from the typed copies).

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