J2a-L24-Y-DNA

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Jacob Metz Jacob Metz
16 hours ago
For years, I have been searching for a possible origin of my haplotype; although I have not pinned it down precisely, I have noticed some interesting statistics. According to the J2 Arab Tribe project, the Modal Haplotypes for the Persian Gulf, the Al-Ahsa Region, Syria [al-Sham] the Najd region, and the al-Manasir tribe are as follows. Group# 2.330 al-Manasir 13, 24,15,10, 13-17, 11, 15, 13, 13, 11, 29 2.321 Najd Region 13, 23, 15, 10, 13-16, 11, 15, 12, 13, 11, 28 2.322 al-Ahsa Region 13, 23, 15, 10, 13-16, 11, 15, 12, 13, 11, 28 2.323 al-Sham [Syria] 13, 25, 15, 10, 13-17, 11, 15, 12, 13, 11, 28 2.324 Persian Gulf 13, 24, 15, 10, 13-18, 11, 15, 11, 13, 11, 29 The Modal Haplotype for these combined is 13, 23/24, 15, 10, 13-16/13-17, 11, 15, 12, 13, 11, 28 My STR's are 13, 24, 15, 10, 13-17, 11, 15, 12, 14, 11, 29 This is only 2 steps removed from the combined Haplotype and only 2 steps from the al-Manasir tribe of the U.A.E region of Abu Dhabi. While I cannot state for certain that this is the origin, it seems highly likely that my haplotype might have originated somewhere between the Persian Gulf and Syria some 1, 297 years ago or roughly 723 C.E.
Mikle Rovbut Mikle Rovbut
May 26 @ 10:57pm
I did the test Yseq for Y30061 again - Y30061 C+, and checked the known descendant branches ... BY166624 T- Y30060 T- Y30075 G- Strange feeling that I ended up in the wrong branch My DYS393 – 11 checked three times, DYS393 mutating slowly when changing by 1 gives up to 10,000 years of branch recession ... YFull tree shows STR haplotype for MRCA of J-Y30058 (minimum parsimony hypothetical using 3 samples) with 622 STRs DYS393 12 – in mutations with no ancestor. STR haplotype for MRCA of J-Y29712 (minimum parsimony hypothetical using 4 samples) with 635 STRs DYS393 – 12 in mutations with no ancestor. -BY165867BY165867 * BY165881 * BY165975+14 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybpinfo • id:YF67411SAU [SA-01] • id:YF62699 Rashid Saudi Arabia J-BY165867 - this is a line of hypothetical descendants! J-Y30058 CTS10431 * Y30058/FGC61853 * Y30061/FGC61861+6 SNPs formed 4700 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybp> J-BY165867 +14 SNPs formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybp 12 23 14 10 16-17 11 15 12 13 11 29 15 8-9 11 11 27 15 21 32 12-13-16-17 10 10 19-22 15 15 16 18 11 23 15 10 16-17 11 15 12 13 11 29 15 8-9 11 11 27 16 21 31 12-15-16-17 10 10 19-22 15 15 18 17 37-41 14 9 11 7 12-14 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 17-17 15 10 12 12 15 9 12 23 21 12 12 11 14 10 12 12 13 34 35-37 12 9 11 7 12-14 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 17-17 15 10 12 12 15 9 12 23 21 13 12 11 14 10 12 12 13 37 18 8 14 13 28 26 19 11 12 12 11 11 10 12 11 10 11 11 32 10 13 23 14 11 12 23 15 19 12 21 15 12 14 18 8 14 13 27 26 19 11 12 12 11 11 10 12 11 10 11 11 32 10 13 23 14 11 12 20 15 19 12 21 15 12 14 25 11 21 20 10 14 17 9 12 11 24 11 21 20 10 14 18 9 12 11 – our common TMRCA 1759 +/-249 -Y30060Y30060/FGC61857 * Y30068/FGC61873 * Y30070/FGC61877+5 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 2400 ybpinfo • id:YF07990KWT • id:SRR2098268QAT FGC61866 YF07990 n/a Kuwait J-Y30060 12 24 14 10 16-16 11 15 12 13 11 29 16 8-8 11 11 27 15 21 31 12-12-13-13 10 10 19-22 15 15 15 17 36-36 13 9 11 7 12-14 8 11 10 8 11 9 12 17-17 14 10 12 12 16 9 11 26 21 12 12 11 14 10 12 12 13 35 17 8 14 13 27 26 19 11 12 12 11 11 10 12 11 10 11 11 31 10 13 23 14 11 12 24 15 19 12 21 15 12 14 24 11 21 20 10 14 18 9 12 11 our common TMRCA 2231+/-227
Mikle Rovbut
May 26 @ 11:05pm
How is this possible? YFull tree does not show in the table DYS385, DYS459, DYS447, DYS464, YCAII, CDY, DYF395, DYS413 – in YFull tree STRs table missing quick-changing DYSs!
Jacob Metz
May 27 @ 9:32am
YFull is run by independent researchers and has nothing to do---generally---with FTDNA. YFULL depends on the people who have tested and have a BAM file to make their results known. Yfull has a service desk and you can email them and ask them directly. Normally they will answer within a day.
Mikle Rovbut Mikle Rovbut
May 26 @ 11:13pm
And after the 4th Panel YFull Tree shows not generally accepted DYSs. What can I check and compare here? I have stable fields DYSs that coincide in huge pieces even on very distant branches. YFull tree does not show in the table DYS385, DYS459, DYS447, DYS464, YCAII, CDY, DYF395, DYS413 – in YFull tree STRs table missing quick-changing DYSs! Look a nice sample... مياح ربيعة (Rabe'A-Meyyah) Iraq J-S25338 11 23 14 10 16-21 11 16 11 13 11 30 11 23 15 10 16-17 11 15 12 13 11 29 DYS19, DYS388, DYS439, DYS389II – 1 step, DYS385 4 step gave my TMRCA with Rabe'A-Meyyah 11218+/-847!
Mikle Rovbut Mikle Rovbut
May 26 @ 11:06pm
How is this possible? YFull tree does not show in the table DYS385, DYS459, DYS447, DYS464, YCAII, CDY, DYF395, DYS413 – in YFull tree STRs table missing quick-changing DYSs! And after the 4th Panel YFull Tree shows not generally accepted DYSs. What can I check and compare here? I have stable fields DYSs that coincide in huge pieces even on very distant branches.
Valeri Metov Valeri Metov
May 18 @ 6:33am
I did some small, amateurish research. May be helpful for someone more experienced. Text in Russian https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRjHdOK1qEAF_CPaBA3BPbx06jEWmmzC4CUyLWSM5-BRHrwXDsKahI8NR-qHl_8FljFbBJHWQhVfQNZ/pub?fbclid=IwAR2w8sHFKjfZiHo8dgpgE7zBkiy4f9XDLiYX5lq-Pwnmo7w99GrBiwCaZAw We got an IN55850 (No. 4 on the attached screenshot) upgrade to Y37. He one of 4 Circassians, the results of which are nearby. N55850 and B72080 (Origin German, no. 3 on the attached screenshot) are likely to be included in the subclade 387 and even more YF J-Z387 / J-Y17949 / J-FGC35461 / J-FGC34168 / J-FGC35489 / J-Z39975. Also i found another result that may be close to us: J2-M172\Pontic & Anatolian Greeks DNA 492563 12 23 15 10 14-16 11 15 13 14 11 30 Only Y12. To find it, I compared all the results of 12 marker with me (B503239 No. 2 on the attached screenshot). Also used mutation YF data (Screenshot from excel). I understand that the data is not enough. But I will return to this post after the result of the upgrade for 492563 (No. 999 on the attached screenshot).
Maynard Dean-Aycock
May 18 @ 3:56pm
Thanks for sharing some of your research. It will be exciting to see the continuing development of the Adyghe/Circassian genetic tree. Hopefully Adyghe distant cousins, descendants of those that were “displaced” from their homeland in the 1800s to other regions will participate in NGS testing. You are certainly in a very special place knowing that your ancestor’s homeland has been in the north Caucasus mountain region for thousands of years. I updated my DYS472-9 study spreadsheet and typed in Circassian for Y94477.
Valeri Metov
May 20 @ 7:04am
We ordered WGS (Nebula) for my relative. 5 generations difference. We are expecting another result Y37. He was tested in another laboratory, we expect that it will be close to Y94477. We ordered a test for namesakes living since the 19th century in Turkey.
Vladimir List Vladimir List
February 22 @ 1:37pm
I am J-L24 (23andMe); J-M 172 (Y DNA 37, FTDNA); Morley DNA suggested terminal subclade: J2a1h, J2--L24 (J2-L207). I don't know my father nor his name. I don't know my paternal lineage, trying to figure it out... Maternal haplogroup: H13a1a1a.
Mohamed العباسي
February 25 @ 12:40pm
If you test more or big y and added your bam on Y-Full you may find more matches and may be from your ancestors
Vladimir List
May 19 @ 8:55am
I got my Y111 results and waiting for Big Y 700. Kit 927507
Mikle Rovbut Mikle Rovbut
April 14 @ 6:54am
Haplogroup J2a polymorphism DYS 393=10...11...12
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Mikle Rovbut
May 13 @ 1:17am
I already did a test in this company, if I will order Family Finder, will I have to get the test kit again and send it back, or do I use the same old one?
Mikle Rovbut
May 16 @ 12:11am
Quick results summary: Y30075 G- BY166624 T- I am still Y30061 or something like that ?
Robert Gilbert
May 17 @ 12:15am
The Vincent Guillemet above in red is my kit.
Mikle Rovbut
May 17 @ 2:52am
Robert, Is this data yours or him? Are you his grandson by daughter?
Mohamed العباسي Mohamed العباسي
May 15 @ 2:48pm
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY THIS MAN ( 522671 Kuwait J-Z44288 ) HERE DELET HIS NAME AND IN ANOTHER PLACE WRITE SOMETHING .......
 Haitham Moumni Abduh هيثم مومني عبده Haitham Moumni Abduh هيثم مومني عبده
May 8 @ 6:18am
Hey guys. my family name is Moumni. I am from Morocco. and I am J2- L24 which is quite rare in Morocco, I think. Any north African here?
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Haitham Moumni Abduh هيثم مومني عبده
May 9 @ 5:41am
By the way I took snp pack of j2 and I tested negative on J-L25.
Mohamed العباسي
May 11 @ 4:32pm
same as mine, complete big 700 and add your BAM file to Y-FULL web
Mohamed العباسي
May 11 @ 4:51pm
الشريف حسين الفاسى المغربى بن الشريف محمد أبويحيى بن الشريف أبى القاسم موسى الجونى
Mohamed العباسي
May 11 @ 4:59pm
please in your file add your family information and country origin and join project no. J2-Z33905 arab, and upgrade at FTDNA company instead of YSEQ
Valeri Metov Valeri Metov
March 5 @ 2:01am
Hello. My name is Valeri Surname Metov (Met). I am a Circassian (Adyghe, Kabardian). I just recieved my result J-Z39973.
Edward Smail
March 17 @ 8:10am
Welcome! Interesting that FTDNA did not split the haplotree further with this result. Maybe it just takes more time?
Mohamed العباسي
May 2 @ 7:51am
complete big700 and register with Y.Full web site