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Haplogroup I-L38

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Are you a member of the Haplogroup I-L38 project?
Hans De Beule Hans De Beule
February 27 @ 12:49pm
Dear I-L38 project members, Last week became clear that the Cheddar Man ( ) is an early I-L38 sample. Actually he tested positive for 6 out of 32 that were tested on the I-L38 level. He did not test positive for SNP "L38" though, which makes him "ancestral to I-L38". Members who have taken a Family Finder test can compare their autosomal DNA to that of Cheddar Man by uploading their Raw Family Finder File to GedMatch ( ). To do so: 1 Download your Raw Family Finder Data ("Build 37 x Chromosome Raw Data") from your personal FTDNA page. 2 Register to GedMatch. 3 Upload your Raw Data and note your kit number code. 4 Click the "One-to-one Autosomal DNA comparision". 5 Fill in your kit number (in the kit number 1 field) 6 Fill in SC8491738 (in the kit number 2 field - this is Cheddar man's code) 7 Fill in "50" as SNP window size threshold. 8 Fill in "3" as Minimum segment cM size. 9 Click the Submit button and your result appears. Then, please share your result in this thread. Please report: * the largest segment (eg: 4.0 cM) * the total half-match segments (eg: 7.7 cM) * number of shared segments (eg: 2) Let's compare and find out who is Uncle Ched's closest genetic relative :-) Best wishes, Hans De Beule volunteer I-L38 project admin
Charles Ala
September 18 @ 2:59pm
T599194 and SC8491738 * largest segment 3.4 cM * total half-match segments 6.4 cM * number of shared segments 2
Galen Pinkham
September 18 @ 8:04pm
Largest segment = 3.4 cM Total half-match segments 6.4 cM (0.180 Pct) number of shared segments 2 Chr 16 3 cM 126 SNPs Chr 20 3.4 cM 257 SNPs
Ralph Empey c/o Jennifer Empey
November 28 @ 2:12am
Largest segment = 3.4 cM Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 6.7 cM (0.186 Pct) 2 shared segments found for this comparison.
Ronald McGinnis
24 hours ago
Largest Segment = 4.4 Total 1/2 match segments = 14.6 Number of Shared Segments = 4
Antonios Kollias Antonios Kollias
November 4 @ 7:03am
The new versions of the FigUre tree will be published at my blog. On by the actual version 2019-v7.09.
Antonios Kollias
November 5 @ 3:20pm
Yes it is, John. David Tilley did comment, already.
Antonios Kollias
November 5 @ 3:24pm
@Umar. The tree just contain NGS Tests (and SNP tests only in very rare cases.)
Kenneth Cornell
November 6 @ 5:09am
Awesome work Antonios that's not an easy task.
Antonios Kollias
November 25 @ 10:38am
Stephen Templar Stephen Templar
November 3 @ 3:56pm
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Daniel Suárez Daniel Suárez
October 26 @ 4:11pm
Daniel Suárez
October 26 @ 4:13pm
Bill Stonehouse and me. After 1800 years, two branches of the BY174585 meet in Barcelona.
William Stonehouse
October 31 @ 8:54am
Daniel…What a great time meeting you! Barcelona was very nice! Next time let’s not wait 1800 years to get together!!! Thank you!
Hans De Beule
November 1 @ 8:11am
I wonder what I-BY174585 grandpa would have thought of this reunion ;-)
Charles Ala Charles Ala has a question!
September 21 @ 7:05pm
RJB for Chuck: quick question (undoubtedly asked before) Why is FTDNA so conservative in estimating the I-L38 haplogroup? NevGen gave this kit a 100% probability, yet the haplogroup assignment in FTDNA is just I-M170, which appears to be the case with most of the "red" kits. How did people ever find their way into this project initially (unless they used NevGen)?
Antonios Kollias
September 22 @ 6:30am
It is really sad, isn't it? When I got my result for M170, I first entered the I2a Haplogroup project. Bernie Cullen told me, that I am L38 and I was quite shocked, since I am from Greece and all I did read from L38 was, that it is a hg ftom north of alps. In between my subgroup raised, but I am still sad about the initial prediction.
Umar Butler
September 23 @ 5:10am
I found the Y-STR data for another Butler who came from the same area as me. Their terminal Y-SNP was within I-L38. After doing my own test, and seeing that same Butler come up as a match for me (which I had predicted), I knew I was in I-L38. I then tested the same terminal Y-SNP (its within L533) and tested positive :)
Stephen Templar
September 30 @ 4:01pm
Charles, as I understand, FTDNA were for a time more adventurous with their estimates, and got a few wrong. Now, their estimates are effectively certainties. Nevgen is not infallible. I have seen estimates in the high 90's turn out to be wrong.
Kenneth Kelly
October 8 @ 2:00pm
If FTDNA cannot predict haplogroup with 100% confidence they will perform a backbone test of 32 SNP's to determine haplogroup. L38 is not one of the SNP's tested.
Michael Stuart Michael Stuart has a question!
June 14 @ 2:03pm
I am in awe of all of the sophisticated questions posted here. I am clueless about how to proceed, but I will start by saying that I just ordered the Big Y-700 test as an upgrade on my male cousin's 67-Marker test results. Question: what does it mean when I look at his kit results (515672) and see the following recommendation: "L38 Predicted BY14072+. Consider the 12-L38 SNP Pack for further resolution."
Antonios Kollias
July 4 @ 5:20am
Indeed S27697 Hans. I am looking forward to see the BY14072-group rising.
James Harmon
August 11 @ 1:42pm
This is my results in comparison to Cheddar Man. Does this mean Cheddar Man is definitely and distant relative and see most that did the comparison are getting the same chromosomes as matches. I also backed up a generation and did a comparison to my parents and my father had the chromosome 19 results and my mother had 15 and 22 chromosome matches. Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs 15 26,420,412 27,268,034 3.1 182 19 49,925,667 51,073,532 3.2 191 22 24,184,850 26,284,669 4.8 344 Largest segment = 4.8 cM Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 11.1 cM (0.310 Pct) 3 shared segments found for this comparison. 451826 SNPs used for this comparison. 56.609 Pct SNPs are full identical
Rob Judd
August 12 @ 6:26am
Any segment below 7 cM should be ignored.
Antonios Kollias
September 30 @ 5:40am
It seems the results for the BigY are in. I am looking forward to see the effect to the tree.
William Stonehouse William Stonehouse
September 11 @ 2:05pm
Received my results from YESQ...Positive on BY174585..chrY..14081183 G+! Back with the group it seems! Thanks Antonios Kollias!! Also positive on Y156944!
Antonios Kollias
September 11 @ 2:16pm
Great news William.
William Stonehouse
September 11 @ 2:25pm
All others neg..except Y156944? Thanks again!
Kenneth Kelly
September 12 @ 5:47pm
Is there any way to import SNP results from YSEQ into FTDNA to update terminal SNP?
Antonios Kollias
September 21 @ 4:04pm
No, it is not.
Merrill Garrison Merrill Garrison has a question!
September 20 @ 8:45pm
After submitting Y500 and Y700 recently, I notice that my two samples are marked with a beige i with a footnote in [beige id:AncientDNA]. Other than the obvious meaning ancient DNA, I can't find YFULL's definition or explanation for the footnote. Does anyone know where "ancient DNA" ends and "modern DNA" begins? (I don't know what the correct term might be.) For those with YFULL accounts, I have been assigned to I-BY172565.
Antonios Kollias
September 21 @ 6:24am
The yellow "i" has nothing to do with ancient DNA, but shows that it is a second test of one person and other information, also. As soon the analysis for your BigY700 is ready, your old BigY500 will be hidden on the tree. You can choose later, if you want to display both, or which of those. Just hoover over the i with your mouse. YF11651 is unshown and same person like YF64711.
Keith Carpenter Keith Carpenter has a question!
September 17 @ 5:49am
How meaningful in relatedness are the number of shared variants in the BigY report? I've done BigY 700. My 2nd cousin Gary (only BigY 500) and I closely match, of course, with the same terminal SNP and it says we have 450,054 shared variants. One of my two matches has fewer shared variants, but one has more, 455,230. Is that because that person has done BigY 700 and Gary has not? Also, that person only matches me in STRs at the 67 level, and at GD 7, which is way, way back. I don't get it...
Antonios Kollias
September 17 @ 8:37am
The "number of shared variants" is meaningless. It is like you assumed. BigY500 has a quite low coverage (many NoCalls) and therefore less SNPs tested, than with BigY700. Therefore the "number of shared variants" of two BigY700 is (usually) bigger, than the "number of shared variants" of two BigY500 kits, or a BigY500 with a BigY700.
Stephen Templar
September 21 @ 12:41am
I wish that FTDNA could differentiate the Block Tree, STR matches, Advanced Matches, and Colorized pages; between Big Y (if there are any), Big Y-500, and Big Y-700 results. Now we are forced to look at the SNP Results, and guess based on the size of the reported SNPs; and that is only possible if they are project members.
Paul Bowen Paul Bowen
September 8 @ 12:22pm
I have a question if no one minds? My dad is predicted L-38. His haplogroup is I-M170 on FTDN. He has a cousin that took a DNA test on 23 and me and his haplogroup is I-S2488. I have looked it up and it say both come from L-38. So my question is both should be the same but they are not, however the L-38 is the same?
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Antonios Kollias
September 8 @ 1:36pm
Antonios Kollias
September 8 @ 1:37pm
Hans De Beule
September 11 @ 3:43pm
If it concerns a paternal cousin (the son of your father's brother) your haplogroups will be identical (at least, if there is no Non Paternal Event at play - which it does not seem to be the case ;-). I-S2488 just is a subbranch of I-L38. This means that if you would test SNP S2488, you also will test S2488+ and be labeled I-S2488.
Paul Bowen
September 14 @ 8:46pm
Thank you all so much for helping me understand. I really appreciate it