Haplogroup I-L38

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  • Hans De Beule
  • Stephen Prata
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Patrick Kitching Patrick Kitching has a question!
March 28 @ 5:43am
“ Hi so rookie questions there is only other name in the I-BY139113 group we are not a close match , Are we likely to have a common ancestor and is it possible to estimate distance in time when the was a separation of the two lines? Thanks Paddy ”
Antonios Kollias
March 29 @ 6:38am
The best way to estimate the distance in time is if *both* submit the raw data to Yfull.com where you get an age estimation for you subclade.
Paul Turner Paul Turner
March 26 @ 8:38am
Jacques Poché, my ancestor, native of Omer, in Artois France, was born in 1679, and came to Louisiana in 1699.  He died in 1743 or so in Louisiana.  My father was James Henry Poché.
Hans De Beule Hans De Beule
Admin
March 1 @ 2:24pm
Let's share summaries of our I-L38 family histories; distinguishing what is known, unknown, and hypothetical. Ideally this thread becomes a reference of I-L38 family lines!
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Svein Erik Salvesen
March 22 @ 4:27am
We had a different surname tradition i Scandinavia. So the name Salvesen is from about 1850 when one my forfathers moved to town and got work at a shipyard. His father had the firstname Salve so in town it became The surname Salvesen. ( son of Salve ). My eldest known forefather is Amund (or Ommund) Gjusnes 1490-1562. After him Jon Ommundson Mosby.
Svein Erik Salvesen
March 22 @ 4:29am
Gjusnes and Mosby is farm names around Kristiansand or former Oddernes.
Svein Erik Salvesen
March 22 @ 4:50am
Gjusnes was one of 5-6 big farmes here around 1500. Amund was a rich man and had ownership in different farms in the county of Agder. ( this southern part part of Norway) Before 1536( the Reformation) there is not much information left as we lost our last part of independence and were thenjust a part of Denmark. But , there is evidence to consider these big farmes one time were parts of Eyvind Urarhorn`s farm. He was an Earl who lived around 1000. The sagas tells us that he was a man of high birth and had his descent from the Agder county. And every summer he went out on a cruise. sometimes to the west sea . sometimes to the Baltic, sometimes south to the Flandern and he had a wellarmed cutter( snekke) of twenty benches of rowers. He was a good friend of Olav the 2. ( the Holy) . Eyvind got killed by Einar Earl at the Orkenilands in 1019. It could be that Amund was a descendance of this Eyvind . But of course it is just a speculation. But an interesting one.
Svein Erik Salvesen
March 24 @ 2:45am
Or, it could be that Amund Gjusnes was a decendant of a slave ( trell) taken home to Agder after a viking raid?
Anton Savchenko Anton Savchenko has a question!
January 19 @ 2:13pm
“ Hi everyone! My grandfather supposed to be a german during WW2. To confirm or deny this fact, I have been tested Y-DNA (37). I don't have any matches except of one Ancestral Origin (Austria, genetic distance 1). FTDNA defines my haplogroup as I-M170. According to nevgen (and some advices from M170 project) I relate to L38 (predicted S2606+ > BY1183+ according to L38 project’s chart). My kit No is IN75106. If I get it right, L38 is relatively rare group. So, my question is: how likely I’m related to L38? If so, does this fact clarify anything regarding my grandfather’s origin? I will be grateful for any help! ”
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Antonios Kollias
January 21 @ 8:09am
Great. With autosomal DNA you will be able to find out more, especially if all your known ancestors are from Ukraine. It won't be easy, but if you have many German matches (Don't forget to upload to My Heritage and Gedmatch) you could be able to find him. Please keep us updated. I do live in Germany. If you need more help, in case your grandfather is really German, just tell me.
Anton Savchenko
January 21 @ 1:59pm
Ok, thank you so much! Will do
Antonios Kollias
March 12 @ 1:54am
Anton, do you use FaceBook? We have a group at Facebook and I am looking forward for you to join. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Haplogroup.I2.L38/
Anton Savchenko
March 14 @ 1:24pm
Done!:)
Stephen Templar Stephen Templar
January 4 @ 6:31pm
SALE NOW OVER, PROJECT DISCOUNTS GONE, BUT PRICES SLASHED FTDNA have announced permanent price reductions, and trimmed their product list down to just seven tests/reports. FF $79, mtFull $159, Y12 $59, Y37 $119, Y111 $249, Big Y-700 $449, BAM $100, plus shipping US $9.95 ($12.95 international). UPGRADE To \ From Y12 Y25 Y37 Y67 Y111 Big Y-500 PRICES Y37 79 49 na na na na Y67 149 119 89 na na na Y111 199 189 139 89 na na Big Y-700 399 389 339 279 239 209
Stephen Templar
February 12 @ 6:34pm
FTDNA Announcement on Shipping Costs – Discounted for Additional Kits "For multi-kit orders, new “additional kit” shipping prices are now in place. A kit is considered to be an “additional kit” when the kit is purchased in addition to the “first kit" in an order." This will help when you order Family Finder kits for siblings, and cousins. Start at the top; GPs, aunts, uncles; all their children when they are not available. Y testing (mt too) only needs one per family, plus a 4th cousin, 8th cousin, etc.
Stephen Templar
March 8 @ 5:33am
St Patrick's Day Sale has begun; FF $59 on sale until March 17th. Siblings share only 50% of autosomal DNA; so test all, unless you can test the parent. DNA Day Sale late in April usually has Y tests on sale.
Patrick Kitching Patrick Kitching
February 25 @ 3:57am
Good morning my BigY test is still in the test process but I notice this morning I’ve been moved Yet again this time to I-BY139113 , can I assume this is the final branch or are the potentially more insights to come?
Antonios Kollias
February 25 @ 1:49pm
You will be placed to your final branch, later in some weeks.
Patrick Kitching
February 26 @ 4:48pm
Confirmed I-BY139113 the end of the beginning!
Robert Smith Robert Smith has a question!
February 10 @ 11:49am
“ Question for the admins (here and on YFull). I have been (impatiently) waiting for my BY700 STR results to show up, and I noticed something unexpected in the STR variants tab on YFull. There are many new STR variants for S2524 but the L38 variants have disappeared. Is this a temporary glitch in the Matrix or a preliminary look at a structural change in the tree? ”
Antonios Kollias
February 12 @ 9:04am
I think it is just an issue. They didn't split the STR between S2524 and L38.
Robert Smith
February 12 @ 11:37am
I wonder if this unexpected finding is being caused by an invalid assumption. Comparing the STR results of a man who died 9,000 years ago (S2524*) to a single modern man (Y10705*) as a reference sample implicitly assumes there have been no changes to the Y10705 sequence in at least 11,900 years (the estimated age of the S2524 clade). By comparing S2524 derivative mutations (ancient) to a single Y10705 man as the reference sequence (modern), we are locking in that assumption for all further comparisons downstream of S2524. Just a thought.
Hans De Beule
February 19 @ 1:53pm
The assumption is that there have been no changes in the SNPs that define the basic tree structure upstream L38 (the odds for back-mutations are very small). Where the tree needs further specifications the branch has an asterisk (*). When you read it this way I-Y10705 has 2 branches: The I-Y10705* branch with yet unknown specific SNPs (we need a second sample to specify the specific SNPs) The S2524 branch with 2 subbranches: I-S2524* with yet unknown specific SNPs and I-L38
Robert Smith
February 19 @ 4:13pm
Thanks Hans. I think they are making the right assumptions, given our lack of detailed knowledge of those deep branches. Still, it's odd that all those L38 STRs disappeared and are still missing from my YFull results.
William Hannon William Hannon
February 8 @ 11:59am
Tested positive for FGC36959, negative for FGC36962. Would FGC36959 be my likely terminal SNP?
Stephen Templar
February 9 @ 7:26pm
William, the answer is maybe; depending on what test you have taken. In any event a terminal SNP is not usually final, as more men test, we see more lines and more branching, and the terminal station will often be further down (and closer to the present). FGC36962 is the lead SNP in a block of18 SNPs. To date every man who has done Big Y is positive all 18, but that only means that the block has not been broken to date. It will only take one man doing Big Y-700 to get a positive on some (or even one) and a negative on some (or one), and the block will be split in two.
William Hannon
February 10 @ 9:49am
Hi Stephen, thanks for your response. I originally purchased my Y-DNA test years ago with the hope that I could find a DNA match within a genealogical time frame (about 300 years before present) and solve the mystery of who my 3x great grandfather Edward Hannon b abt 1785-1800 was related to in Ireland. No luck at all with that. My closest matches are all 900-1500 years back. I'm a novice at interpreting what info my deep ancestry is telling me. My closest matches (so far) appear to have ancient roots in England, the closest match in Ireland is the kit- William Kelly- who is Haplogroup I-FGC36963.
Robert Smith Robert Smith has a question!
January 14 @ 7:09pm
“ One more question about Stephen Prata's tree diagram on p.33 of the manuscript. I see there is a branch point within BY14072 where Y67927 joins S27697 and then both join to L533. Is there a new terminal SNP we have not heard about yet or are these theoretical estimates from the model? ”
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Robert Smith
January 25 @ 2:21pm
I did a deeper dive into those 12 novel SNPs on FTDNA that are missing on YFull. They appear to have been kicked out due to low coverage or ambiguous reads. However, three of these SNPs can be rescued by adding the BY500 and BY700 results together. All three had low coverage but are unambiguous. The SNPs are BY83660, BY86169, and BY223301. I have requested that YFull add them into my analysis results. That brings the total best or acceptable quality novel SNPs up to 44.
Robert Smith
January 28 @ 10:40am
Last one. I received an answer from YFull about the three SNPs I mentioned above. They were rejected because they are located in "junk" regions of the chromosome. Most of the Y chromosome is non-coding heterochromatic DNA, so I don't understand what they mean by junk. Clearly, there is more going on than number of reads and ambiguity in choosing SNPs for analysis.
Keith Carpenter
January 30 @ 8:19pm
I've always disliked the expression "junk" regions. What makes these smug people quite so certain of that assessment?
Hans De Beule
February 1 @ 1:18pm
"Junk DNA" is not longer used these days. https://www.news-medical.net/life-sciences/Functions-of-Junk-DNA.aspx - it is refered to as non-coding region these days
William Hannon William Hannon has a question!
January 24 @ 1:58pm
“ Hi everyone, I'm the only person in the project who is 5-10 at DYS459. Most are 8-10. How often would DYS459 mutate? ”
Stephen Templar
January 30 @ 2:20am
DYS459 mutation rate is 0.00132, which is about half the average STR mutation rate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Y-STR_markers http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility111.html#McDonaldRates http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~geneticgenealogy/genealogy/ratestuff.htm http://www.kerchner.com/cgi-bin/ystrmutationrate.cgi http://www.hawgoodfamily.co.uk/ystrdatabase.html https://isogg.org/wiki/Mutation_rates
William Hannon
January 30 @ 9:18am
So DYS459a-b doesn't appear to mutate very often yet I have a difference of 3 mutations with nearly everyone else in the project. How does this affect my TMRCA calculations?
Hans De Beule
January 30 @ 3:07pm
Keep in mind that it could be possible that a 2-step (or even 3-step) mutation could be at play.
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