Prospective members who have any questions ABOUT THE PROJECT after reading the materials here should email Susan at hurleydna @ earthlink.net. If you expect your email to be seen and you want a reply, copy and paste the exact phrase HURLEY PROJECT into the subject line of your email. Current project members need to add their FTDNA account number on the subject line. Emails must be BRIEF (300 words or less). Do NOT send attachments. Otherwise your email will be regarded as spam and you will not get a reply.
# November 9, 2021 renamed Basic (Inactive) participation as REGULAR participation, Advanced Active participation as EXPERT LEVEL.
READ THIS PAGE for information on: project eligibility; project resources, including our DNA test Q&A; setting up and navigating your FTDNA account; creating and sharing your family tree; privacy and communication policies; advanced level participation, and MUCH more!
Eligibility and Joining
- What is the purpose of the project and who is eligible to join?
- Based on my Y test, I believe I am a Harley/Herlihy/Hurley. What if my last name is not a project surname?
- I'm not eligible but I have project surname ancestry. Is there anything you can do for me?
Administration and Policies
- How is the project administered?
- Privacy / Unable to see Y DNA results
DNA Testing and Project Resources
- How long to get DNA results
- How to upgrade my Y results
- Websites and their resources
- DNA Testing Q&A
- What other projects should I join?
FTDNA Account Setup and Navigation
- Set up my FTDNA Profile
- Grant the administrator(s) access to my account
- Opt in to DNA matching
- Set up your earliest known paternal ancestor
- Share your Y results and paternal ancestor data with projects
- Share origins data with matches
- Upload or edit, and share a family tree
- Maintain your surname list
Expert Level Participation
- What is the difference between REGULAR participatoin and EXPERT LEVEL participation?
- How do I grant permission to the project administrator to include my anonymized data in published analysis?
- Are there Y DNA scholarships?
Eligibility and Joining
- • Purpose and Eligibility Back to top
• This project is for MEN whose LAST NAME is Harley, Herlihy, Hurley or a spelling variation.
• A Y test of 37 or more markers must be obtained or already have been obtained from FTDNA. Check FTDNA's Y Products page for current test prices.
The best times to order a Y DNA test are: Father's Day Sale, Summer Sale (August), and the end-of-year holiday sale. In 2020, FTDNA surprised us by discounting Y DNA for the DNA Day sale in late April.
It is not enough to have a project surname in the ancestry. The tester's last name must be one of the project surnames and the men in his direct paternal line must have that name (or spelling variation).
- • Non-Project Surname Back to top
There are two paths by which men with non-eligible surnames enroll in the project.
i. DOCUMENTED NAME CHANGE FROM A PROJECT SURNAME TO ANOTHER SURNAME
Men whose paternal line name changed from a project surname to a non-eligible name may join the project by submitting genealogy record documentation of the name change to the project administrator. Scans of documents such as birth certificates and documents of the relevant paternal line ancestor showing the name change - a court record showing the name change, or a census record showing use of the new name - should be sufficient.
** EMAIL THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR IN ADVANCE PRIOR TO SUBMITTING A JOIN REQUEST OR EMAILING ANY DOCUMENTATION. **
ii. GENETIC EVIDENCE OF PROJECT SURNAME LINEAGE MATCHES
-- You must be tested at 111 markers plus completed Big Y testing.
-- You must have at least two project surname (Hurley, Harley, Herlihy) matches at 111 markers at a low genetic distance.
-- Your project surname matches must not exhibit evidence that they are a better fit in ANOTHER surname project. This is to prevent "chain migration" of non-eligible surnames, e.g., several men named Manley happen to have a match named HURLEY so the Manleys decide they want to be in the Hurley project. In that case the Hurley match is probably a better fit in the Manley project.
The following conditions MUST be met - NO EXCEPTIONS. Otherwise your data cannot be properly grouped.
-- Your project surname matches must be IN the project.
-- Your project surname matches must have granted the project administrators LIMITED access or better.
-- Your project surname matches must match each other and be clustered together in a LINEAGE or PEDIGREE. See explanation of Results.
-- You must have tested Big Y and your terminal SNP must fall under one of the following: I-A7110; R-BY208692; R-FGC29280.
-- If genetic evidence shows you are in an SNP subclade that conflicts with those of your matches, you must accept that your kit could be removed from the project.
** COPY THE TEXT BELOW, COMPLETE THE QUESTIONS, THEN PASTE YOUR COMPLETED TEXT INTO THE JOIN WINDOW WHEN YOU CLICK JOIN. DO NOT SKIP ANY QUESTIONS OR OMIT INFORMATION. **
1. I have tested 111 markers.
INITIALIZE HERE: ____
2. List your terminal SNP or haplogroup,
as given in your haplogroup badge on your
account home page: __________
3. List the name, email, Genetic Distance, and
terminal SNP of your project surname match with
lowest Genetic Distance at 111 markers:
Genetic Distance: _____
Terminal SNP: _______
4. List the name, email, highest number of markers
compared, Genetic Distance, and terminal SNP of
your next best project surname match.
Number of Markers (67 or 111): ______
Genetic Distance: _____
Terminal SNP: _____
5. I understand that if later genetic evidence
shows I am in an SNP subclade that conflicts with
those who initially looked like matches within a
recent genealogical timeframe, my account will
be removed from the project.
INITIALIZE HERE: ____
- • Options for Hurley, Herlihy, and Harley Research Back to top
The project does not admit people who want to "browse" the project. Even if you were allowed to join, you will not see much more than a table of yDNA results (strings of numbers). You will not see the contact information of members, or their family trees. Most members do not even fill in paternal ancestor origin data. The administrators do not give out the names of testers or their email addresses nor do they forward messages.
Even project members only get the contact information of their matches, not of any project member at large.
Your best bets are the options below.
If you want to "browse" data you can visit the external project haplogroups page.
Dedicated Pedigree Page
The project is constructing a list of pedigrees. If you want a dedicated pedigree page added to the project's pedigree collection, follow the non-members instructions. Your pedigree page is a slimmed down version of what you might have posted elsewhere, stripped of clutter, and gives page visitors an opportunity to contact you.
Research inquiries should be posted on Ancestry.com or on Roots Chat or some other surname forum venue of your choice, including regional genealogy groups at Facebook. See the project Ancestry surname forum links.
Check for any genealogy help desks at the city and county libraries in your ancestral region of interest.
Enroll with the local genealogical societies in your ancestral region of interest. Society volunteers may have collated local data collections that are not otherwise available on commercial genealogy sites. Lots of these interest groups have an online presence or are on Facebook.
Autosomal DNA Testing
You can do autosomal testing, not only at Family Tree DNA (Family Finder) but at Ancestry, MyHeritage, 23AndMe, and Living DNA. The last two venues do not have particularly good resources for family trees; the first three have better family tree resources. FTDNA has a family tree feature by which if you link in known autosomal DNA matches into your family tree, FTDNA will look for matches with matching segments and triangulate them if they are found.
It is recommended that you take the lab test at each venue, and not just transfer data. Data may get dropped in transfer. Also, test relatives in the oldest generations possible descended from the people you are researching. You should test lots of relatives.
Testers may choose to upload their results to GEDMATCH or another analytical venue of your choice. If your surname ancestors were in a particular geographic region for a length of time (multiple generations), use Google and look for an appropriate regional autosomal DNA project or consider starting a project up for your region of interest. With autosomal DNA, the opportunity for contact in a specific place is of particular significance since (unlike yDNA) there is no correlation with surnames. So your detailed family tree is important.
*** This project does NOT provide assistance with autosomal DNA. ***
Administration and Policies
- • How the project is administered Back to top
Project administration is 100% volunteer work. Administrators do not receive compensation from FTDNA or special discounts on tests.
- • Communications Back to top
contacting the project administrator:
Email or forward an email to the administrator at email@example.com.
Include HURLEY PROJECT in the subject line.
Include your kit number in the subject line of your email IF YOU ARE ALREADY A PROJECT MEMBER.
Do NOT send attachments until they are requested.
After reviewing this FAQ, state your question BRIEFLY (300 words or less).
TO ENSURE A RESPONSE, emails must follow these guidelines. Otherwise emails are assumed to be spam and/or contain viruses and will get deleted.
contacting project members:
Click on a match's name in your match list for that person's email.
Check the external PEDIGREES page for any published pedigrees with contact information.
The project administrators are not an email forwarding service between non-members and members.
The project administrators are not an email forwarding service between non-matching members.
Members can post on the Activity Feed.
not getting email:
Check your spam folder to make sure email with the addresses of FTDNA (familytreedna.com or ftdna.com) and the administrator(s) are not marked as spam.
Make sure the email in your account is up to date.
Make sure FTDNA has not flagged your email address as a problem. Check your account Updates (left sidebar) for a message that says Correct email issue.
Make sure you have not opted out of communications in your account settings.
👉 If you are expecting a response from the project administrator and have not gotten one, make sure your email contains the phrase COLLINS PROJECT on the subject line along with your FTDNA account number.
internal project communications:
Bulletins are posted on the BULLETIN-MEMBERS ONLY page. Project members must be logged in to their FTDNA accounts to read them. (Click ABOUT in the left sidebar.) Bulk emails are sent out strictly to remind members to read the latest bulletin. Old bulletins are moved to the UPDATES - MEMBERS ONLY page.
An annual project bulletin is published in the autumn, around the end of October - early November, to coincide with the start of the annual year-end DNA sale. It is announced by project bulk email. Mid-year minor announcements are posted in the Activity Feed.
Make sure you know how to access those resources.
project news for non-members:
See our FTDNA News page.
- • Privacy Policies / Cannot see project Y DNA results Back to top
For project Privacy policies, see Code of Conduct.
See also: FTDNA's Privacy and Sharing page.
See also: FTDNA's Project Administrator Settings page.
Please do not email the administrator to complain about making the results public again. This is not debatable or negotiable. If you are not in the project and somebody in the project matches you, email your match directly for further information. The project administrator will not intervene.
DNA Testing and Project Resources
- • Time to get results back Back to top
See: Learning Center article.
- • Y Upgrades Back to top
To upgrade your Y DNA results, make sure you FIRST log in to your FTDNA account that already contains your initial Y results from a swab. THEN order your upgrade by clicking on add ons & upgrades near the top right of your dashboard.
If you try to purchase more Y DNA testing without logging in first to your account with your initial Y DNA testing, you could end up with two accounts meaning you will unnecessarily pay for and repeat testing that you have already completed.
- • Websites and their resources Back to top
There are three websites associated with this project.
There is a representation of the project here at our lab FTDNA ("the FTDNA website"). This website holds basic project information, including this page.
Y DNA Results are available from the left sidebar, visible only to members when they are logged in.
On the left sidebar, LINKS will take you to other resources possibly relevant to your research.
Members logged in can access recent project communications by clicking ABOUT in the left sidebar.
The second website ("the project website") at hurley.dnagen.org is the administrator's own hosted space and is not part of or under the control of FTDNA.
The project website includes: surname histories; a DNA Testing Q&A; surname pedigrees (published only upon written permission); potentially useful historical and genealogical data; haplogroup pages; more extensive analysis of Y DNA results for those who are Active Project Participants.
A third site dnagen.org ("the support website") also not the property of FTDNA, holds supplementary pages to help you learn to navigate and set up your FTDNA account. It also hosts DNA tutorials that are shared with this project and several other projects.
Any other Internet sites, forums, or social media groups, postings or pages claiming to be speaking for this FTDNA Y-DNA project (other than from the project administrators) are disavowed.
- • DNA and Y DNA Testing Tutorial Back to top
The tutorial on the project website gives a beginner overview of DNA testing but focuses on Y DNA. It covers the differences between types of DNA tests; costs of Y DNA tests; the process of doing a test; and initial navigation and interpretation of new Y results.
See Part I of our extensive DNA testing tutorial for an explanation of three basic types of DNA tests.
Part II of the tutorial talks about the process of doing the Y DNA test).
Part III of the tutorial goes into navigation of Y STR results as well as basic interpretation of those results. You'll learn concepts such as STR marker, SNP, and Genetic Distance.
Part IV of the tutorial goes into detail about advanced Y SNP testing at FTDNA. If the tester can reswab if necessary, Big Y is the preferred advanced test.
- • What other projects to join Back to top
Project members have different genetic backgrounds. Members are encouraged to join at least one haplogroup project. Haplogroup project administrators may prefer members who have tested 67 STR markers or better and may expect you to undergo and therefore financially commit to further SNP testing.
See the project LINKS (in the left sidebar) for haplogroup and regional projects relevant to your surname.
FTDNA Account Setup and Navigation
- • Set up Contact Information Back to top
- • Granting Access to the Administrators Back to top
If you enrolled after May 2018, you grant LIMITED access to the project administrator(s) as a condition of enrollment so you do not need to take further steps. Please do NOT alter this setting.
If there is still a problem:
- • Opt in to matching Back to top
Normally when you send back your swab you sign a form allowing FTDNA to process your results and release them for matching. So you may not need to take further steps.
- • Set up paternal ancestor Back to top
- • Share your Y results and paternal ancestral data with projects Back to top
- • Share your origins data with matches Back to top
- • Create, upload, share a family tree Back to top
- • Maintain your surname list
See also: FTDNA Learning Center Genealogy Page.
Expert Level Participation
- • Expert Level Project Participation Back to top
All project members will get their Y results categorized under a suitably labeled cluster under Y DNA Results on the FTDNA website provided LIMITED access is granted. This is considered Basic, or INACTIVE participation.
You are an EXPERT LEVEL Project Participant if you have taken the following KEY STEPS:
- ✔ LIMITED access or better granted to the project administrator (normally DONE at project enrollment).
- ✔Opt In to DNA matching (normally DONE when you send your swab back by mail).
- ✔ Profile and Contact Information are set up in a project-friendly manner.
- ✔ Set up Earliest Known paternal ancestor.
- ✔ Opt In to share out your Y and ancestral results with the project.
- ✔ Share Origins data with matches.
- ✔ Share family tree with matches.
- ✔ Sufficient testing in place of 111 markers. (Waiver for those getting sponsored for test upgrades.)
- ✔ Provide at minimum a project surname paternal line in your family tree, with names, dates, spouses, and places. Your family tree is shared out with MATCHES.
- ✔ FINAL STEP: Provide the project administrator explicit written permission to publish your anonymized data (below).
COPY AND PASTE THE TEXT BELOW into the body of your email to the project administrator to give permission to publish anonymized yDNA results, and origins, plus pedigree data on a dedicated page.
Edit the last line to state your email publication preference. PLEASE allow for the publication of your contact email so that relatives can contact you directly. The project administrator is not an email forwarder !I want to participate at the expert level and hearby grant permission to the Hurley project administrator to publish my ANONYMIZED yDNA results (STR and SNP data), ancestral origins, and pedigree, as provided by me. If I am not the tester, I have authorization from the tester to participate. I agree to maintain my account in the manner described in the project FAQ, including the necessary opt ins for data sharing. I understand the types of data that will be published and that it will be tagged with a project number - not my FTDNA kit number.
I understand that hurley.dnagen.org is NOT an FTDNA website.
CHOOSE ONE: I DO / DO NOT want my email contact information published on my dedicated pedigree page.
The subject line of your email must include the keywords HURLEY PROJECT and your KIT NUMBER.
example: HURLEY PROJECT kit #abcdef Data Publication Permission
Once this written permission is received you will be assigned a Hurley project member number (separate from your FTDNA account number) that will be used to tag your data.
You may REVOKE permission by email at any time.
• Y Test Scholarships
100% free tests are not given away at DNA shows, talks or presentations because attendees typically are not prepared to participate in the project at the time of the event. Nor can the project administrator personally visit you to make you sure you swab properly and return the kit back to the lab in a timely and considerate manner.
If Y37 seems too expensive, remember that the sale price drops to USD $99 during the year-end sale. Factoring in S&H, $2.20 set aside every week for a year will more than cover the cost of Y37.
Scholarships are no longer offered on a project-wide basis, though the administrator may choose to selectively test project-surnamed men prepared to participate when the opportunity arises.Prospective members who have any questions ABOUT THE PROJECT after reading the materials here should email Susan at hurleydna @ earthlink.net. If you expect your email to be seen and you want a reply, copy and paste the exact phrase HURLEY PROJECT into the subject line of your email. Current project members need to add their FTDNA account number on the subject line. Emails must be BRIEF (300 words or less). Do NOT send attachments. Otherwise your email will be regarded as spam and you will not get a reply.