Ham

Christine McManaman

August 11, 2017 @ 8:02pm

Hi everybody, I am looking for relatives of Grace Ham, born approximately 1914, give or take a year, from Emporia KS. My dad was adopted in 1935. We learned that we were closely related to the Ham(m)s after my testing a few months ago. He was born in MO and I was so excited to learn that MO, just passed a law allowing people to get their original birth certificates and it came today. He is getting a late start, at 82, but would love to correspond with bio-relatives. Any help is much appreciated.

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Dave Hamm

August 27, 2017 @ 6:21am

I think I may have seen a post on this on the Hamm History discussion group, if memory serves me. Here, at least, we have a location and date. Well, we do have Scott Hamm in the Y-DNA Project, who descends out of Missouri. He is in HAM Y-DNA Group #1. Scott believes that his line descends out of Augusta County, VA. Most of Group #1 descends out of Virginia, and is a DNA match to Somerset, England. Another member of the Y-DNA Project that descends out of Missouri is Steven Ham in Y-DNA Group #3, who descends out of Holt County (or Saline Co.), MO. A completely different Ham line. He believes that his ancestors migrated from Knoxville County, TN. (Many in Group #3 migrated out of South Carolina). You can find their contact info at the HAM Country link below. http://ham-country.com/HamCountry/HAM_DNA_Project/HAM_DNA_Families.html

Christine McManaman

September 3, 2017 @ 11:08pm

I suspect the Missouri aspect is may be a red herring. They may have traveled there for the adoption for stricter adoption laws. I've found a Grace Ham from Hiawatha KS, that seems to be a good fit. She was not born in Emporia but news articles show she was in Emporia at the time of her birth. We are strong matches with Richard Ham of CA, whose dad was Richard T (maybe Turner) Ham and his grandparents were George Ham and Helen. But I can't trace them back further and can't find a related Grace. Thanks for your efforts, all!

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Dave Hamm

March 31 @ 2:57pm

Sorry for the delay in responding, I do not get notifications about comments here, and do not visit often. You can try familysearch.org as a resource. Also, there have been a number of lines that migrated to Kansas and California. We have a couple of folks that mention Kansas or KS origins on the "Participating Families" page at HAM Country: http://ham-country.com/HamCountry/HAM_DNA_Project/HAM_DNA_Families.html I would say few list California, as that is too recent to be useful to their research.

Henry Hamm

June 24 @ 4:26pm

Strangely, I show a match in Missouri, but the surname is not Hamm; it is Sears, Lewis Sebastian Sears, 1876 - 1931,Tuscumbia, MO. I don't understand it.

Shannon Holder has a question!

January 14, 2018 @ 3:54pm

“ I just uploaded my raw DNA from Ancestry. Do I need to do a test through ftdna to contribute to this project? I seem to have a line of Hamm (my maiden name) that I cannot find from poking around on the various links from this project. Thanks! ”

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Dave Hamm

March 31 @ 2:41pm

Hello Shannon, Sorry for the delay, I do not get notifications about posts on this page for some reason, and I do not often visit this page. No, you do not need a test from FTDNA in order to contribute to the Project. However, I would highly recommend it. The public pages at FTDNA are generally set up to display the Y-DNA kits, which are the male kits. However, you can 'join' this HAM DNA Project at FTDNA by having a test at FTDNA. FTDNA does off a transfer of results from Ancestry, and charges a small fee to enable you to use it to compare to other results at the FTDNA web page. This link should be available if you are eligible to transfer (current kits are not eligible): https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer Your autosomal DNA test (transferred from Ancestry) is very much a personal product, and usually requires a 'Join' to a project in order to keep tabs on organized efforts to analyze that data from a particular Project. Also, it is the best way to inform others that you are working on families connected to the project. However, you can also join websites such as GedMatch.com Personally, I work on the analysis of autosomal DNA for HAM DNA Group #1 and occasionally post articles on the HAM Country web pages or the HAM Country blog. GEDMatch: https://www.gedmatch.com HAM Country: http://ham-country.com/HamCountry/HAMCountry.html HAM Country blog: http://hamcountry-blog.blogspot.com/

Alvin Ham

February 5, 2018 @ 6:00pm

Hello Dave and members, I was hoping that this DNA test would clear up a brick wall that we are up against with our Ham ancestor. My grandfather was born in Florida (Franklin County). His mother, Eliza, married William J Ham. There is a Ham family in the 1870's census in the general area, son is Willam J Ham, son of David and Margaret Ham...Shows that David is the son of Smith Ham.....can we safely assume that this is the branch of our family because of the close proximity? William died before the 1900 census and Margaret is living with her daughters, still in Florida. Does anyone know facts about this family and can help?

Dave Hamm

March 31 @ 2:30pm

Hi Alvin, Sorry for the late response, I do not get notifications on comments for some reason. For genealogy or family history, the 'general location' assumption usually follows genealogy standards under extenuating circumstances, such as information from a location during the 1700's, and no will, estate record, court record, taxes, or marriage record exists (such as in destroyed records). Unfortunately, Census records are not the only records that do exist. Once you have established a connection to the line, then Census records are, of course a valid form of documentation for that connection. Other sources that you should look for are marriage records, church records, death certificate, deeds and other court records that may indicate a connection to the line, such as a will or estate record (in the absence of a will). Fortunately, familysearch.org has a large amount of resources, and I would advise that you start your search for documentation there. Other resources are a local historical society, courthouse records, and State (or Commonwealth) Library or Archives.

Joshua Ham has a question!

February 10, 2017 @ 5:28pm

“ hello, dave.. I haven't been on the computer for a long time. I got back on here to check if I matched with anyone w/surname ham/hamm. I still haven't.. I just ordered a family finder and was thinking of doing mt and upgrade my Y . but ive been told to test snp.. could u give me some advice? ”

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Joshua Ham

March 7, 2017 @ 12:49pm

thanx so much dave! that pretty much broke it down for me..

Joshua Ham

March 20, 2017 @ 8:38am

Dave- I got my family finder back and ive been geeking out on it all weekend. haha.. out of almost 3,000 people that are 2nd to remote cousins, I matched up with one guy that is in I-m223 project. we are 0 genetic distance at marker 25 and ive only done 25 markers ..plus we have 48 shared centimorgans longest block 30 relationship 2nd to 4th cousin.. Is this rare?

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Joshua Ham

March 20, 2017 @ 8:42am

also , I didn't match with not even one person with the HAM/HAMM surname. i matched quite a few Hamiltons , Hamptons, Hamblys , etc.. but, no Hams... weird?

David Hamm

June 10, 2017 @ 5:24pm

We had talked via email. Yes, you should expect your I2b1(M223) to be rare. As I recall, I think it descends from Saxons in England. Also, we have few male descendants of Stephen HAM from Culpeper County, VA in the Project. It is very good, however, that you have an autosomal match to the TODD surname, which confirms the 1814 marriage of Jabez Ham to Hannah Todd born march 26, 1798 in Madison Co., KY. Making progress, albeit slowly.

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Patricia Honeycutt

May 28, 2017 @ 10:38am

My Ham ancestors starting with my grandfather.

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Cecilia Meisner

May 7, 2017 @ 11:12am

This is where I dead-end on search my maiden name (Cecilia Mary Ham). The young man on the far right was my paternal great-grandfather. His father, center, David Robinson Ham, is as far back as I can find. They lived in Senatoba, Mississippi.

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Jennifer Landeros has a question!

March 9, 2017 @ 11:07am

“ There is a member on FTDNA (not sure they are in this group). They have my family in their tree, but apparently are not matching my DNA. I would love to get in contact! I am looking for descendants of George and Mary Hamm Eroh from Carbon County, PA. Also, are there any other Hamm's from Carbon/Lehigh County, PA on here? Thanks! ”

Lyman Hamm

May 2, 2016 @ 8:33pm

Our ninth great-grandfather, William Ham, was born 1594 in Botusfleming, Cornwall, England. He immigrated to the US in 1635 and settled in Portsmouth, NH. He was a fisherman and operated a fish factory (grind them up for fertilizer) there for many years. Our recent Y-chromosome results were surprising given the number of countries and "ports of call" around the Mediterranean Sea. The Canary Islands, the Azores, Egypt, Greece, Sicily all have matches. Eight hundred years ago, the Med Sea was a pirates, traders, paradise. The slave trade was a most lucrative business. Anyone have an insight on this period of time?

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Dave Hamm

May 17, 2016 @ 12:19am

Hello Lyman, congratulations on your progress with (presumably) William Ham of Maine & NH. We also see a Mediterranean component in the autosomal results for our I1-M253 group. With regard to 800 years ago, there were also Crusades in the works. It was not unusual for western European Lords to be participating in Crusades in the Middle East. I have slight mention of them in "A Short History of the HAM Surname in Virginia & NC" (see volume #1, 'Origins & Migration'). Secondly, you might want to take a look at my blog article on the Y-DNA origins of I1-M253 (Vikings). I suspect that I1-M253 were not alone in originating from the Mediterranean Sea. http://hamcountry-blog.blogspot.com/2011/03/viking-origins-and-y-dna.html My third thought on that topic is that it appears that travel to the Mediterranean Sea was not unusual during the 15th century. There is a book on a Privateer that had adventures in the Mediterranean. I had posted to the Ham Country FaceBook page, but I will also post it here: http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/features/the-adventures-of-sir-kenelm-digby-17th-century-pirate-philosopher-and-foodie - Dave

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Lyman Hamm

January 8, 2017 @ 11:36am

Hi DAve, I have gotten deeply involved in our Mediterranean Sea roots. The Hams were clearly men of the sea who left their "seed" in Sicily, the Azores, Canary Islands, Greece, etc. The year that Wm Ham left for the New World, the sheriff of Portsmouth complained to the King that the Moslem prisoners in his jails would not eat English food and were too weak to work. He asked for $$ to feed these slaves. The name of the game was to capture ships, take their cargo, ransom the fat cat passengers and ships captains and sell the crew into slavery. Advise you to read Nabil Matar who has written extensively on this period.

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Dave Hamm

March 6, 2017 @ 4:48pm

Thanks Lyman. That is actually helpful even you are E-L117 and I am M253. There was a John Ham who was robbed by Callico Jack back in the day. Jon Ham of Somerset wrote me about it. If I can find the reference I will either edit this response or pass it along.

Peggy Brock

May 18, 2016 @ 5:52pm

Hello Lyman, Do you have experience with research in Cornwall? My Ham line goes back to North Tamerton in Cornwall about 1776. That's my brick wall. Since your Hamms are also Cornish, I wonder if we are related. Have you traced lateral branches of your Hamm tree?

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Lyman Hamm

January 8, 2017 @ 11:27am

Margaret - I apologize for the delay! I work for a couple in California with two huge family trees and like the shoemaker I neglect my own "children. Our 9th Great grandfather, William Ham, born in Botusfleming 1594 ( 3 miles east of Plymouth) to Richard Ham. That is about 28 miles from North Tamerton.

Peggy Brock

January 11, 2017 @ 2:08pm

Hello Lyman and thanks for responding. I can't determine your kit# from the results page. Would you share? Do you have a public family tree online? How would I know if we connect or not?

Dave Hamm

March 6, 2017 @ 4:11pm

Hi Margaret, Lyman is Y-DNA kit #477288. Funny thing is that I did not remember getting the Notification from FTDNA. Which means I will need to contact him if I ever get my HAM Country web pages going again. He has messaged me here, but I have not set up the pages for him.

Doug Brock (c/o sister)

July 4, 2015 @ 5:17pm

Kit #333365 Most Distant Ham Ancestor found to be John Ham born roughly 1780 in Cornwall, England. His son James Ham. born 1812 in North Tamerton, Cornwall, ENG, emigrated to Canada and finally Missouri.

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