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Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
September 8 @ 1:44pm
Rolf Langland
September 8 @ 1:45pm
Updated G-Root SNP tree, with new branching under G-Z6363. PDF version at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JrUjrpp1J_RmmyE_zFJ2iPRMjZrCXFhN
Mike Guzzetta Mike Guzzetta
March 23 @ 8:16pm
Well... Just received my YFull analysis and I went from G-Z30503 to G-Z30503* I guess me and the other sample, the Russian, just need to wait around for some other "mutant" G-Z30503's to show up that match us so we can be properly placed in new subclades? I need to tell the Russian to break out the Vodka so we can do some shots while we are waiting! With how uncommon G-Z30503 is I think its going to be a long wait. Like I posted in the Sicily group - When I was a kid my teachers said they did not know what to do with me and now the DNA experts are coming to the same conclusion! Hahaha
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Mike Guzzetta
March 24 @ 9:14am
Hi Jeffrey, I am beginning to think its becoming more common to have these (*) designations going on as more people are testing. Especially from regions that had been slow to do DNA testing now starting to jump on the bandwagon. The DNA experts are getting all this new data over the last few years and its still a growing industry, It must be like DNA Christmas for them.
jeffrey andle
March 28 @ 9:53am
right. well, YFull is chugging away at my mutant dna... so far the clades are supporting the swiss paternal line that the autosomal matches identified...
Talal Al-Bayrami
April 25 @ 9:37pm
Thats Me G-Z40458 IRAN 🇮🇷 :)))) , But Whats The * Stands For ?
Mike Guzzetta
April 25 @ 9:58pm
Hi Talal, It means that your pending for determination to a more refined haplogroup. I am in the same boat. If you look at the picture above of my current placement you can see multiple sub branches off of G-Z30503 including yours. My designation with the * means that I am on that branch but I do not fit into one of the current sub groups. Once another Y DNA tester or 2 with similar mutations to mine shows up they will probably end up creating an additional sub branch in that group to put us in. It would be the same in your case. You fit into G-Z40458 but not into the one current subgroup of it. Its just a matter of waiting till some more testers show up that they can group you with. Have you submitted your BAM file to Mr. Banks to review? He is one of the project admins. If you send him an e-mail - his e-mail is listed on the upper left - asking what you should do to submit to him for review he should get back with instructions. I found his insights extremely helpful.
N. L. Moore N. L. Moore
July 5 @ 5:26pm
Hello, I am helping my husband with his earliest ancestor Elijah M. Moore (1818-1888) possibly from Anderson, SC. Just tested 67 markers and more SNPs and Elijah is verified G-L497. No matches yet to Moore. So far, his best matches are to Davis. He also joined the Davis Project and is a nearly perfect match at 67 with #20473 John Davis b. 1785 GA d. 1857 Hamilton Co. IL. John is verified G-P15. Hoping for some more information in a Haplogroup Project.
Murray Mitts Murray Mitts
May 26 @ 12:19am
Until I can get enough money together for a y700 test, I have decided to upload my Father In Law's data to GEDMatch Genesis to see if there is anybody else that might show up as a match, Autosomal or otherwise. None of his matches on FF share the Mitts surname or even have this surname in their trees, it just doesn't come up. When he was still alive, he had long joked about being illegitimate, and now I am not so sure he wasn't just making light of something that might have actually been true.
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Murray Mitts
May 28 @ 11:11am
John, this is Jeff Martin and I manage Murray's kit as he passed away in 2012. That's just it, we don't know where his Mitts line came from. He could very well be related to Adam Mitts from Germany, but the farthest we have been able to get back was 1815 in Pennsylvania with William Mitts. If you click on Murray's name you should see my email address if you want to send me what you have on Adam, I'd love to take a look at it. Thanks
May 28 @ 11:20pm
Jeff - PM me at john.r.greene@johnrgreene.com - your email did not show up.
Murray Mitts
May 29 @ 8:34am
Sorry about that. I just PM’d you John. Thanks again!
Murray Mitts
May 30 @ 10:13pm
Thanks again John. I have seen that tree/lineage before and have never been able to make a connection to it, however I have long suspected that my father-in-law and that line are related, perhaps back in Germany. Definitely keeping what you sent for posterity, you never know what the future will uncover.
Murray Mitts Murray Mitts
April 28 @ 10:47am
Hello, my name is Jeff and I manage a kit for my deceased Father In-Law Murray Mitts, who was tested at 12 markers only and was given G-M201 as his result. My question is this, the sample is now 7 years old and he died shortly after so no chance of getting a new one. Is this still a viable sample for upgrade to at least 37 or 67? Secondly, he has not one single match even at 12 markers. Surely he'd have at least some matches at that low and broad of a test. Any suggestions here? Y700 is way off the table at this point because I can't even afford to upgrade my own kit that I also manage.
Philip Arian Latif
April 29 @ 5:46pm
No matches even at a 12-marker level happens, especially among the smaller haplogroups, and often suggests that the sample belongs to an uncommon subclade. It's uncertain whether the lab can use a 7 year old sample for a Y700 or not, it was often not the case with the Y500 but only they can tell. Best of luck!
Murray Mitts
April 29 @ 8:02pm
I'll call them this weekend and see what they can tell me...hopefully it is still possible.
Murray Mitts
May 1 @ 9:20pm
After playing with the FF function, he does not have a single match with his surname on Family Finder either. No surname match on FF and no Y matches even at 12 markers. I am at a loss here.....
Guillaume Williams
May 2 @ 9:46am
I only have 3 matches at 12, 2 at 37 none of them share my surname.
Mike Guzzetta Mike Guzzetta
February 25 @ 2:21pm
Hooray!!!! My Big Y–700 results just came in!!!! Drum Roll……… G-Z30503 and ZERO matches on FTDNA! Ever since the e-mail alert popped up at lunch I have had Barry Manilow's "All By Myself" going through my head as I am the only one on FTDNA with this haplogroup. From what I have found online it looks to have its origins about 11,800 years ago and it originated in the area south of the caucuses in Anatolia and the fertile crescent region. That’s a long way away from Valledolmo, Sicily! I have only 3 theories at the moment on how It ended up with my Paternal line in Sicily and I will probably never be able to prove what one is correct. 1 - The possibility that it may be a yet to be determined paternal ancestor of Albanian origin that came over in the 1400’s fleeing the Ottomans. But I do not see G-Z30503 showing up in Albania at any time so it possibly was just passed on through them from their Ottoman overlords. 2 - Maybe my great great whatever grandpa came over as part of the Muslim occupation of Sicily in the 800's, started spreading the LOVE and left a little bit of himself behind, a Y Chromosome to be precise. 3 - Maybe its even further back to the Greek/Roman times as they traveled all over the place. Maybe a trader or slave from "Guzzetta-stan" ended up in the area. Whoever it was, it must have been a long time ago as my autosomal DNA percentage of Anatolian/Middle Eastern DNA is really low - 1 to 2.4 percent range at the most depending on the company doing the estimate. Any Thoughts? Side Question’s: 1 – Should I upload my result to any specific site that may find this helpful for research or something? 2 – Being the lone G-Z30503 – should I just keep posting in the G-Uncategorized&Root group as I do not see another G-group that I would belong in.
Mike Guzzetta
March 24 @ 9:24am
Hi Philip, As you probably noticed on my new post's, My YFull analysis is completed - Still a G-Z30503 but got the (*) added showing that they are still not sure what to do with me pending other samples. So your speculation that I would probably end up in a new subclade looks to be correct. You also mention that admin Ray Banks would need access to the YFull data, do I need to do something to allow that or does he have a "Back Door" access to the results?
Philip Arian Latif
March 25 @ 9:05am
Congratz :) Not sure actually...however from what I've seen data seem to always find their way up on there by one way or another, so *probably, no worries. I've passed the question on to Rolf. It's something that I've been wondering about myself.
Mike Guzzetta
March 25 @ 7:52pm
Hi Philip, I am, or should I say my Y chromosome is, officially on Mr. Ray Banks' radar. I just received a extremely in-depth e-mail from him regarding my "unique" situation and the next step he needed me to take to further his analysis. The journey continues...
jeffrey andle
March 28 @ 9:49am
Oh I seem to be as unique as you are and they are moving L667 around - easy enough if I am the only one in it I guess? I am to the point of seeking a second cousin and offering to pay for their test just to have a match!
Ivan Ivanov Kovachev Ivan Ivanov Kovachev
March 28 @ 9:14am
BigY-700 was ordered on Invoice (Bill me later option) on the existing kit No.577920 with the approval of Mr.Kovachev, who was previously tested with Yseq, where his final result is G-Z6128*. Interested parties are welcome to participate with partial contributions. I am managing Mr.Kovachev's kt. My name is Emil Enchev, admin of Central Balkan Mountains DNA project, you can reach me at emoentchev@yahoo.com for further details. Thank you
Dimitar Arsov Dimitar Arsov
March 28 @ 9:02am
BigY-700 was ordered on Invoice (Bill me later option) on the existing kit No.577924 with the approval of Mr.Arsov, who was previously tested with Yseq, where his final result is G-Z29424*. Interested parties are welcome to participate with partial contributions. I am managing Mr.Arsov's kt. My name is Emil Enchev, admin of Central Balkan Mountains DNA project, you can reach me at emoentchev@yahoo.com for further details. Thank you
Douglas Hey Douglas Hey has a question!
March 20 @ 11:56am
My kit # is 871046. I tested to Y-DNA111. My haplogroup was G-M201, then after the M201v2 SNP testing my haplogroup is G-CTS11562. This matches the paternal haplogroup from the 23andMe testing. From family tree genealogy, I have a 7th cousin that tested with FTDNA, but we don't match; maybe too distant. There is an Eichfeld Project with a group for the town of Heuthen (which is our ancestral home). I'm currently still ungrouped, but wonder if any additional testing on FTDNA is worthwhile. Your thoughts? Thanks.
Philip Arian Latif
March 22 @ 8:27pm
Hello Douglas, I have recategorized you under the G-M342 grouping. I recommend you proceeding with joining the G1 project for further categorization: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/m342. In terms of further testing, no additional tests will reveal additional Y-matches, and so if that's what you're after then there isn't much more to do than simply wait for new matches. A BigY would be fitting in case you'd want to proceed by revealing your terminal SNP below G-CTS11562 (which is about 18500 years old and has a bunch of subbranches): https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS11562/. However this is a deep paternal ancestry thing relating more to peoples migrations rather than church book genealogy, which seems to be your focus. If a somewhat close Y-match should pop-up in the future, the BigY would then additionally be very useful in estimating how long far back in time exactly you two shared a paternal ancestor, however, since this would mean comparing BigY-results you would then have to convince that person to get BigY-tested as well to have anything to compare with. Hope this was of help. Regards,
Douglas Hey
March 24 @ 6:33pm
Peter Publico Peter Publico has a question!
March 10 @ 1:22pm
Hi, I manage my cousin Peter’s kit (874621). Our mutual ancestor was an abandoned infant in Sicily and no one knows his original surname. Peter’s Y-67 results came back with a predicted G201 haplogroup, but zero matches. Would SNP testing help us identify any matches, or is that testing only useful when you already have some matches and want to identify which ones are closest?
Mike Guzzetta
March 10 @ 8:29pm
Question - Are you and your cousin direct paternal line descendants of this mutual ancestor? The reason I ask is that the Y chromosome is only passed from father to son. If he is not, then it would be of no use in this specific situation. But it may be helpful in other scenarios that do involve a direct paternal connection. If they are a direct paternal connection, further testing to determine a more refined haplogroup of G201 could be beneficial assuming that you end up in a more terminal haplogroup that has some matches. I would think doing a auDNA test for DNA matching would be more beneficial in this situation as you can start to plot out your family tree with your "cousin" connections as you figure out how they are connected. Eventually you will end up with a group that you just cant connect and that would be the group to try to find a family surname they have in common as it would most likely narrow the search down to the father and mothers families. Then its a matter of figuring who from each might have "hooked up". Keep in mind it could also very well be a situation that was not consensual (A 1700's Sicilian #MeToo moment). Your common ancestor's mother may have been taken advantage of by a employer or someone in a position of power, a landowner or someone along those lines. That would probably show up in the records as the paternal family being of a higher station that the maternal family.
Peter Publico
March 11 @ 6:56am
I’m not in the direct paternal line but my cousin Peter is, which is why we chose him to do the Y test. We’ve both done the autosomal test but neither of us got results that have provided any good clues so far. We have anther (second) cousin who is related only through our abandoned ancestor’s wife, so we’ve tried to find Sicilian matches who share autosomal DNA with me and Peter but not with the other cousin, in an attempt to isolate the abandoned ancestor’s lineage. We found only a few people and have made successful contact with only one .... who, unfortunately, was adopted and doesn’t know much about that side of her family. I had hoped that the Y test would give us a nice clean answer on at least the paternal surname. No such luck, with zero matches. I think my next step is to try the autosomal test at Ancestry, where the database is bigger. All our testing has been at Family Tree DNA so far.
Philip Arian Latif
March 17 @ 7:51am
Hello Peter, the second is correct. New matches will not show up from an SNP test but rather the Time of Most Recent Common Ancestor of other SNP-tested matches will become more clear, ideally through BigY testing. As Mike suggested Autosomal testing and family matchning sounds more feasible in this situation. Build a solid tree for all the other lines and either make cousins on all known lines test, or identify cousins that have already tested on these lines. By triangulating with these known cousins, the matches that do not match with these cousins must be from the line that you're trying to explore. Hopefully you'll find the family of a second or first cousin of the ancestor who might be able to help, however it is a tricky thing to work out. Regards,