G-Uncategorized&Root

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Murray Mitts Murray Mitts
April 28 @ 10:47am
Hello, my name is Jeff and I manage a kit for my deceased Father In-Law Murray Mitts, who was tested at 12 markers only and was given G-M201 as his result. My question is this, the sample is now 7 years old and he died shortly after so no chance of getting a new one. Is this still a viable sample for upgrade to at least 37 or 67? Secondly, he has not one single match even at 12 markers. Surely he'd have at least some matches at that low and broad of a test. Any suggestions here? Y700 is way off the table at this point because I can't even afford to upgrade my own kit that I also manage.
2 Comments
Philip Arian Latif
April 29 @ 5:46pm
No matches even at a 12-marker level happens, especially among the smaller haplogroups, and often suggests that the sample belongs to an uncommon subclade. It's uncertain whether the lab can use a 7 year old sample for a Y700 or not, it was often not the case with the Y500 but only they can tell. Best of luck!
Murray Mitts
April 29 @ 8:02pm
I'll call them this weekend and see what they can tell me...hopefully it is still possible.
Murray Mitts
May 1 @ 9:20pm
After playing with the FF function, he does not have a single match with his surname on Family Finder either. No surname match on FF and no Y matches even at 12 markers. I am at a loss here.....
Guillaume Williams
May 2 @ 9:46am
I only have 3 matches at 12, 2 at 37 none of them share my surname.
Mike Guzzetta Mike Guzzetta
March 23 @ 8:16pm
Well... Just received my YFull analysis and I went from G-Z30503 to G-Z30503* I guess me and the other sample, the Russian, just need to wait around for some other "mutant" G-Z30503's to show up that match us so we can be properly placed in new subclades? I need to tell the Russian to break out the Vodka so we can do some shots while we are waiting! With how uncommon G-Z30503 is I think its going to be a long wait. Like I posted in the Sicily group - When I was a kid my teachers said they did not know what to do with me and now the DNA experts are coming to the same conclusion! Hahaha
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Mike Guzzetta
March 24 @ 9:14am
Hi Jeffrey, I am beginning to think its becoming more common to have these (*) designations going on as more people are testing. Especially from regions that had been slow to do DNA testing now starting to jump on the bandwagon. The DNA experts are getting all this new data over the last few years and its still a growing industry, It must be like DNA Christmas for them.
jeffrey andle
March 28 @ 9:53am
right. well, YFull is chugging away at my mutant dna... so far the clades are supporting the swiss paternal line that the autosomal matches identified...
Talal Al-Bayrami
April 25 @ 9:37pm
Thats Me G-Z40458 IRAN 🇮🇷 :)))) , But Whats The * Stands For ?
Mike Guzzetta
April 25 @ 9:58pm
Hi Talal, It means that your pending for determination to a more refined haplogroup. I am in the same boat. If you look at the picture above of my current placement you can see multiple sub branches off of G-Z30503 including yours. My designation with the * means that I am on that branch but I do not fit into one of the current sub groups. Once another Y DNA tester or 2 with similar mutations to mine shows up they will probably end up creating an additional sub branch in that group to put us in. It would be the same in your case. You fit into G-Z40458 but not into the one current subgroup of it. Its just a matter of waiting till some more testers show up that they can group you with. Have you submitted your BAM file to Mr. Banks to review? He is one of the project admins. If you send him an e-mail - his e-mail is listed on the upper left - asking what you should do to submit to him for review he should get back with instructions. I found his insights extremely helpful.
Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
Admin
April 23 @ 8:38pm
Talal Al-Bayrami
April 25 @ 9:41pm
Am G-Z40458 Iran ,,,, But Who is BY51017 Iran ??
Mike Guzzetta Mike Guzzetta
February 25 @ 2:21pm
Hooray!!!! My Big Y–700 results just came in!!!! Drum Roll……… G-Z30503 and ZERO matches on FTDNA! Ever since the e-mail alert popped up at lunch I have had Barry Manilow's "All By Myself" going through my head as I am the only one on FTDNA with this haplogroup. From what I have found online it looks to have its origins about 11,800 years ago and it originated in the area south of the caucuses in Anatolia and the fertile crescent region. That’s a long way away from Valledolmo, Sicily! I have only 3 theories at the moment on how It ended up with my Paternal line in Sicily and I will probably never be able to prove what one is correct. 1 - The possibility that it may be a yet to be determined paternal ancestor of Albanian origin that came over in the 1400’s fleeing the Ottomans. But I do not see G-Z30503 showing up in Albania at any time so it possibly was just passed on through them from their Ottoman overlords. 2 - Maybe my great great whatever grandpa came over as part of the Muslim occupation of Sicily in the 800's, started spreading the LOVE and left a little bit of himself behind, a Y Chromosome to be precise. 3 - Maybe its even further back to the Greek/Roman times as they traveled all over the place. Maybe a trader or slave from "Guzzetta-stan" ended up in the area. Whoever it was, it must have been a long time ago as my autosomal DNA percentage of Anatolian/Middle Eastern DNA is really low - 1 to 2.4 percent range at the most depending on the company doing the estimate. Any Thoughts? Side Question’s: 1 – Should I upload my result to any specific site that may find this helpful for research or something? 2 – Being the lone G-Z30503 – should I just keep posting in the G-Uncategorized&Root group as I do not see another G-group that I would belong in.
6 Comments
Mike Guzzetta
March 24 @ 9:24am
Hi Philip, As you probably noticed on my new post's, My YFull analysis is completed - Still a G-Z30503 but got the (*) added showing that they are still not sure what to do with me pending other samples. So your speculation that I would probably end up in a new subclade looks to be correct. You also mention that admin Ray Banks would need access to the YFull data, do I need to do something to allow that or does he have a "Back Door" access to the results?
Philip Arian Latif
March 25 @ 9:05am
Congratz :) Not sure actually...however from what I've seen data seem to always find their way up on there by one way or another, so *probably, no worries. I've passed the question on to Rolf. It's something that I've been wondering about myself.
Mike Guzzetta
March 25 @ 7:52pm
Hi Philip, I am, or should I say my Y chromosome is, officially on Mr. Ray Banks' radar. I just received a extremely in-depth e-mail from him regarding my "unique" situation and the next step he needed me to take to further his analysis. The journey continues...
jeffrey andle
March 28 @ 9:49am
Oh I seem to be as unique as you are and they are moving L667 around - easy enough if I am the only one in it I guess? I am to the point of seeking a second cousin and offering to pay for their test just to have a match!
Ivan Ivanov Kovachev Ivan Ivanov Kovachev
March 28 @ 9:14am
BigY-700 was ordered on Invoice (Bill me later option) on the existing kit No.577920 with the approval of Mr.Kovachev, who was previously tested with Yseq, where his final result is G-Z6128*. Interested parties are welcome to participate with partial contributions. I am managing Mr.Kovachev's kt. My name is Emil Enchev, admin of Central Balkan Mountains DNA project, you can reach me at emoentchev@yahoo.com for further details. Thank you
Dimitar Arsov Dimitar Arsov
March 28 @ 9:02am
BigY-700 was ordered on Invoice (Bill me later option) on the existing kit No.577924 with the approval of Mr.Arsov, who was previously tested with Yseq, where his final result is G-Z29424*. Interested parties are welcome to participate with partial contributions. I am managing Mr.Arsov's kt. My name is Emil Enchev, admin of Central Balkan Mountains DNA project, you can reach me at emoentchev@yahoo.com for further details. Thank you
Douglas Hey Douglas Hey has a question!
March 20 @ 11:56am
My kit # is 871046. I tested to Y-DNA111. My haplogroup was G-M201, then after the M201v2 SNP testing my haplogroup is G-CTS11562. This matches the paternal haplogroup from the 23andMe testing. From family tree genealogy, I have a 7th cousin that tested with FTDNA, but we don't match; maybe too distant. There is an Eichfeld Project with a group for the town of Heuthen (which is our ancestral home). I'm currently still ungrouped, but wonder if any additional testing on FTDNA is worthwhile. Your thoughts? Thanks.
Philip Arian Latif
March 22 @ 8:27pm
Hello Douglas, I have recategorized you under the G-M342 grouping. I recommend you proceeding with joining the G1 project for further categorization: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/m342. In terms of further testing, no additional tests will reveal additional Y-matches, and so if that's what you're after then there isn't much more to do than simply wait for new matches. A BigY would be fitting in case you'd want to proceed by revealing your terminal SNP below G-CTS11562 (which is about 18500 years old and has a bunch of subbranches): https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-CTS11562/. However this is a deep paternal ancestry thing relating more to peoples migrations rather than church book genealogy, which seems to be your focus. If a somewhat close Y-match should pop-up in the future, the BigY would then additionally be very useful in estimating how long far back in time exactly you two shared a paternal ancestor, however, since this would mean comparing BigY-results you would then have to convince that person to get BigY-tested as well to have anything to compare with. Hope this was of help. Regards,
Douglas Hey
March 24 @ 6:33pm
Thx...
Peter Publico Peter Publico has a question!
March 10 @ 1:22pm
Hi, I manage my cousin Peter’s kit (874621). Our mutual ancestor was an abandoned infant in Sicily and no one knows his original surname. Peter’s Y-67 results came back with a predicted G201 haplogroup, but zero matches. Would SNP testing help us identify any matches, or is that testing only useful when you already have some matches and want to identify which ones are closest?
Mike Guzzetta
March 10 @ 8:29pm
Question - Are you and your cousin direct paternal line descendants of this mutual ancestor? The reason I ask is that the Y chromosome is only passed from father to son. If he is not, then it would be of no use in this specific situation. But it may be helpful in other scenarios that do involve a direct paternal connection. If they are a direct paternal connection, further testing to determine a more refined haplogroup of G201 could be beneficial assuming that you end up in a more terminal haplogroup that has some matches. I would think doing a auDNA test for DNA matching would be more beneficial in this situation as you can start to plot out your family tree with your "cousin" connections as you figure out how they are connected. Eventually you will end up with a group that you just cant connect and that would be the group to try to find a family surname they have in common as it would most likely narrow the search down to the father and mothers families. Then its a matter of figuring who from each might have "hooked up". Keep in mind it could also very well be a situation that was not consensual (A 1700's Sicilian #MeToo moment). Your common ancestor's mother may have been taken advantage of by a employer or someone in a position of power, a landowner or someone along those lines. That would probably show up in the records as the paternal family being of a higher station that the maternal family.
Peter Publico
March 11 @ 6:56am
I’m not in the direct paternal line but my cousin Peter is, which is why we chose him to do the Y test. We’ve both done the autosomal test but neither of us got results that have provided any good clues so far. We have anther (second) cousin who is related only through our abandoned ancestor’s wife, so we’ve tried to find Sicilian matches who share autosomal DNA with me and Peter but not with the other cousin, in an attempt to isolate the abandoned ancestor’s lineage. We found only a few people and have made successful contact with only one .... who, unfortunately, was adopted and doesn’t know much about that side of her family. I had hoped that the Y test would give us a nice clean answer on at least the paternal surname. No such luck, with zero matches. I think my next step is to try the autosomal test at Ancestry, where the database is bigger. All our testing has been at Family Tree DNA so far.
Philip Arian Latif
March 17 @ 7:51am
Hello Peter, the second is correct. New matches will not show up from an SNP test but rather the Time of Most Recent Common Ancestor of other SNP-tested matches will become more clear, ideally through BigY testing. As Mike suggested Autosomal testing and family matchning sounds more feasible in this situation. Build a solid tree for all the other lines and either make cousins on all known lines test, or identify cousins that have already tested on these lines. By triangulating with these known cousins, the matches that do not match with these cousins must be from the line that you're trying to explore. Hopefully you'll find the family of a second or first cousin of the ancestor who might be able to help, however it is a tricky thing to work out. Regards,
Guillaume Williams Guillaume Williams
March 1 @ 3:11pm
Well, I got my Y37 in and I am a G-M201 which appears to be a fairly common hapla. I did the test to hopefully find some Williams ancestors older than the one I have through genealogy. I have to say, I don't really know what to do with this. The guys at FTDNA said I probably ought to join this group. I got three matches (sort of ) all of whom are so distantly related at least at the moment does me no good. So any good direction from here of what I can do with this would be appreciated.
jeffrey andle
March 2 @ 10:04am
M201 is a sort of catch-all that is finely subdivided. The project managers can help you determine any tests that would further refine this, depending on your goals. I personally went with the big Y (waiting results). However, further testing is not going to find you more matches. Like you, I have no match better than Y25-GD2 after taking the Y111 test... In fact, G-M201 family is pretty rare - peaking out around 10% in the Alps. Further testing can help identify early origins for people in our situation and it can verify relationships along the paternal line, but until a lot more people test you'll get more mileage from autosomal matches for immediate family.
Guillaume Williams
March 2 @ 12:25pm
I've done the autosomal. Lots of Cajun relatives. Williams, not so much. Yeah, I'm so much interested at the moment of ultimate origins. Just would like to get back 150-300 years or so. Right now I got 3 non Williams matches which ftdna says means we have a common ancestor probably 1000+ years ago. I guess this side of the family isn't particularly interested in genealogy. :)
Douglas Hey
March 3 @ 11:27am
I'm in the same boat. I'm G-M201 and have tested to Y111. I have one match, but a different surname; I trying to resolve that thru family tree genealogy. I'm waiting on the G-M201 V2 SNP results to further refine the G-M201. I have atleast one distant German cousin that tested with FTDNA; we share 6th great grandparents, but no match on FTDNA; too distant? I've also tested with Ancestry and 23andMe. With 23andMe, I'm in the G-CTS11562 subgroup of G-M201. So far, no Hey matches on these two dna sites, although I do have other surname matches. So just waiting to see what the M201 V2 SNP test results are.
jeffrey andle
March 11 @ 6:10am
The admins can get you sorted to a major subgroup from STR based predictions. If you have an ancestry dna autosomal file, you can manually find more using MorleyDNA.com analysis. There may me methods on the site using FTDNA or others. With that and help from G-L497 project admin Mauricio I find I am S23438 or a subgroup. Still waiting on Y700 though and likely to be placed in a corner by byself.
Richard Conway Richard Conway has a question!
March 7 @ 4:53am
Hi I manage my partner Richard's ydna test. He matches with a person that has been mentioned here already, called Josafat Zawalonyj. I think his daughter is managing his kit, so would you be interested in finding out how your dad and my partner may be related? We are trying to find out who my partners grandfather was if possible. Thank you.
Philip Arian Latif
March 7 @ 2:44pm
Hello! I took a look at your match and while I don't wanna disturb your communication, I just thought I'd add this. As Tia has already performed a BigY-test on her fathers sample, all that's needed to get a genetic answer to this question is for you to do the same for your partners sample, which through yfull will give you guys a more confident Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA). In terms of predictions based on your current 61/67 STR-match though, this implies (on very shaky grounds) that these two samples are at least hundreds of years apart, possibly around a thousand. You'd need a BigY to confirm this though. It is therefore, very unlikely that sharing of any specific paper trail information would help you in your search, unless one of you both has an extremely extensive paternal tree. Richard is not confirmed G-Z40472 so this should be taken with a pitch of salt, but if that is so, and given the spread of G-Z30503 in general, it is more likely that he has an Eastern European paternal ancestor within the last whatever the actual TMRCA is between these two samples than the other way around. Reasoning as to when the immigration of an Eastern European person to Britain was most likely, may narrow that timespan down significantly. Unfortunately, this only boils down to the older paternal origins of the person that you are looking for, so unless you guys are really lucky with future Y-testees, family matches and triangulation through different companies is probably gonna be a more helpful tool for this specific endevour, then using the Y-tool to confirm between paternal cousins or something like that. Best of luck! Philip, Co-Admin