Forest Finn DNA

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Susan Lafo Susan Lafo
June 3 @ 3:08pm
I have a copy of a parish record from Fryksände, Värmland, Sweden for my earlist know mtDNA ancestor ANNIKA ANDERSDOTTER m. HENRIK HENRIKSSON KARHAINEN on 06 Jan 1724/25. Using a print out of the early Swedish Gothic alphabet, I was able to figure out the names, dates, etc. What I cannot read is the names of, if it's like Norway's parish records, the farms they were from. I've already asked a distant Finnish and distant Swedish cousin if they can help. To no avail. Is there anyone here who can help? This is my brickwall and if I can find out more info from the parish records I might break it. Thanks.
helge nilsson
June 7 @ 8:19am
Hi, could you please specify what record you are referring to. I looked at the marriges 1724 and 25 but did not find it.
helge nilsson
June 7 @ 1:23pm
Hi again, found it, but it is Henrik Hansson Rögdåsen and Annika Andersdotter Ährnsjön.
Susan Lafo
June 12 @ 12:11pm
Thank you so much! I've had two opinions on Henrik - one said Hansson and one said Henrikson. Very confusing. I do appreciate your help!
Ann Kathan
June 26 @ 8:32pm
I have been working with a Professor of Scandinavian studies in MN with Swedish church and household census record translations. I you are interested in connecting with him to see if he can be of help I'd be happy to give you his information.
Janne-Olavi Kinnunen Janne-Olavi Kinnunen
May 23 @ 8:17am
Tuo linkki 18 ei ilmeisesti enää aukea kokonaan, tässä vanha kuvakaappaus uutisesta. Suomalaiset ovat omassa yläkvartaalissaan. :) 18. uutinen 13.8.2008 The New York Times 13.8.2008 - The Genetic Map of Europe http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html
Susan Lafo
June 3 @ 2:15pm
Interesting! Thanks.
Carol Kaufman Carol Kaufman has a question!
October 7 @ 8:16pm
I have a question about whether it is worthwhile for me to purchase the full sequence MtDNA upgrade. I had done the National Geographic Geno 2. test, and so have my haplogroup: w1b1. This is apparently a fairly rare group, isolated almost exclusively to Finns. The earliest person on my maternal line is Ellika Henriksdotter Sormuin, born circa 1642 1642 • Närsen, Nås, Dalarna, Sweden.
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Joanne Dorr Swain (prior Bowden, Kadhum)
October 29 @ 2:05pm
Carol, I too am W1b1, but, as I found out, there was more to my mtDNA story. Why don't you have an mtDNA analysis in FTDNA, then join W&N2a project. The administrator, Mats Carlin, is amazing. He further analyzed my results, coming up with a back-mutation. Here's what I was told: • W1b1 is defined by A10086G. • W1b1+A12613G is defined by A12613G. • You have the private mutations A227G! which is the backmutation of A227G that you share with one kit from Ingria, one from Russia and a few from Finland.
Joanne Dorr Swain (prior Bowden, Kadhum)
October 29 @ 2:26pm
Carol, based on Forest Finns ancient origins, I was not surprised by where my present-day "0" distance matches are located geographically. Clearly, my grandmother's maternal roots are to the east although she resided in western Finland at the time she departed for the US (about 1897). As W1b1, you may have some very close matches too that are in the FTDNA database. But you want to get the analysis done in FTDNA, then join the "W" project so you'll have the chance to drill down to the most recent mutation.
Carol Kaufman
November 5 @ 7:13pm
I've ordered the MtDNA full sequence, since it's on sale now, so we'll see if it turns up anything interesting/useful. Thanks,
Håkan Båth Gustafsson
May 25 @ 7:49am
Hello Carol. FYI, Ellika Hinriksdotter Sormuinen is my: ff ff ff mm: sister to me
Ross Kilpatrick Ross Kilpatrick
May 23 @ 6:41pm
Message for Marie Rundquist, Hello Marie I saw you mention sampling in Chromosome Browser for Finnish "in common with" matches, many of them members of this project (at 5 CM). Can you please explain how you can do this search by Finnish only on Chromosome Browser? Thanks I have PTSD and your help would be nice. Thanks Ross
T. Kinnunen T. Kinnunen
May 23 @ 7:16am
1. uutinen 18.8.2016 Geenitutkijat yllättyivät: Eurooppa on nyt jaettu suomalaisiin ja ”ei-suomalaisiin” https://www.uusisuomi.fi/tiede-ja-ymparisto/201691-geenitutkijat-yllattyivat-eurooppa-nyt-jaettu-suomalaisiin-ja-ei 2. uutinen 16.3.2010 Geenitutkijat: Suomalaiset ovat omalaatuista joukkoa http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2010031611305219_uu.shtml 3. uutinen 14.5.2015 HS: Tutkijat löysivät syyn suomalaisten geneettiseen erilaisuuteen http://www.iltasanomat.fi/tiede/art-2000000925231.html 4. uutinen 18.1.2017 YLE Prisma Studio Miten todennäköisesti jossain vaeltelee täydellinen kaksoisolentosi? Omat juuret ja menneisyyden salaisuudet paljastuvat geneettisen sukututkimuksen avulla http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2017/01/04/prisma-studio-miten-todennakoisesti-jossain-vaeltelee-taydellinen http://areena.yle.fi/1-3260118 5. uutinen 24.8.2016 Kommentti uutiseen suomalaisten geeniperimästä https://www.uusisuomi.fi/tiede-ja-ymparisto/202085-kommentti-uutiseen-suomalaisten-geeniperimasta 6. uutinen 19.8.2016 Laaja geenitutkimus todistaa suomalaiset omalaatuisiksi: Eurooppalaiset pitäisi jakaa suomalaisiksi ja ei-suomalaisiksi http://www.hs.fi/tiede/art-2000002916814.html?jako=838a61ecec8ac0af4c6cd2655e2f945b&ref=og-url 7. uutinen 24.2.2014 Poikkeuksellinen tutkimus paljastaa viitasaarelaisten alkuperän http://www.ksml.fi/keski-suomi/Poikkeuksellinen-tutkimus-paljastaa-viitasaarelaisten-alkuper%C3%A4n/243123 8. uutinen 17.1.2015 Sisäsiittoisuus toi Suomeen harvinaisen sairauden: ”Ihmisistä tulee vahakasvoisia” http://www.iltasanomat.fi/terveys/art-2000000863302.html 9. uutinen 18.1.2015 Tautiperimä ei kerro sisäsiittoisuudesta http://jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/184656-tautiperima-ei-kerro-sisasiittoisuudesta 10. uutinen Suomalaiset eivät ole perimältään eurooppalaisia http://www.uef.fi/-/suomalaiset-eivat-ole-perimaltaan-eurooppalaisia 11. uutinen 26.10.2015Suomalaiset geenit ovat ainutlaatuisia Suomalaiset geenit on ainutlaatuisiauisiauomalaiset geenit ovat ainutlaatuisia https://www.yhteishyva.fi/hyva-olo/suomalaiset-geenit-ovat-ainutlaatuisia/05562197 Uniiki kansa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQLJasdD9I 12. uutinen 11.6.2015 Suomalaisten geenimutaatioista etsitään lääkettä koko maailman tauteihin http://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8064153 13. uutinen 1.6.2015 Suomessa asuu kaksi kansaa https://vaestotiede.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/suomessa-asuu-kaksi-kansaa/ 14. uutinen 19.8.2016 T&T: Suomalaiset eivät ole geeniperimältään eurooppalaisia – pitäisi luokitella omaksi väestökseen http://www.iltasanomat.fi/tiede/art-2000001243286.html 15. uutinen 14.1.2015 Tiedätkö, mistä päin Suomea sukusi on kotoisin? Sinulla voi olla vaarallinen tappajageeni http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000862451.html 16. uutinen 18.8.2016 Tutkimus: Suomalaiset eivät ole geeniperimältään eurooppalaisia http://www.mtv.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/artikkeli/tutkimus-suomalaiset-eivat-ole-geeniperimaltaan-eurooppalaisia/6034900 17. uutinen 14.1.2015 Vaarallisen geenin juuret Keski-Suomessa http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-2000000862435.html Suomalaiset ovat omassa yläkvartaalissaan. :) 18. uutinen 13.8.2008 The New York Times 2008 - The Genetic Map of Europe http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html Yst.terv: T. Kinnunen profiilin ylläpitäjä J. Kinnunen
T. Kinnunen
May 23 @ 7:16am
Suomalaiset ovat omassa yläkvartaalissaan. :) 18. uutinen 13.8.2008 The New York Times 2008 - The Genetic Map of Europe http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/science/13visual.html
Marie Rundquist Marie Rundquist
February 18, 2019 @ 9:34pm
Hello, my name is Marie Rundquist and I've entered my Family Finder results here. I was born in the State of Maryland in the USA, where I still live today; my father's people are from the Lower Eastern Shore of Maryland (Somerset County), and it is through my father's line that I match several families within this project. I only speak English and apologize for inability to communicate otherwise. My latest 2019 Family Finder matches reveal a direct ancestral link with project members who appear to have full, native, Finnish ancestry and surnames. If you are reading this post, look for me by name in your matches. Here is a sampling of what I find in Chromosome Browser for Finnish "in common with" matches, many of them members of this project (at 5 CM). This is my Ancestry Tree (public) and the line to trace is for Frank H. Pierce III (my late father) whose Y-line was for the Bounds surname. His mother's line traces through her Brown surname. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/29891233/family/pedigree
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John Cox
March 6, 2019 @ 5:34pm
Thanks for those suggestions about the Finnish surnames & their meanings.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
November 27 @ 8:04pm
@ John Cox: Have you checked your "neighbour" in the Block tree, Thomas Emanuelsson ? PROFILE Earliest Known Ancestor Paternal: Bertil Pålsson Kukkoinen b.1635 Timbonäs Gräsm. Maternal: Not Provided Haplogroup Y-DNA N-BY62666 --------------- Considering Bertil Pålsson Kukkoinen's Eastern Finnish style Family name, mother's time and place of birth (https://www.geni.com/people/Elisabeth-Mynttinen/6000000006122448487?through=6000000006122757120), his father is some "Pål Kukkoinen", who highly likely has moved from the Eastern or Central Finland to Sweden around that same time. There are pretty good registers about tax payers at that time in Finland, so you might well find some good candidates by browsing. A lot of work, but not impossible.
Susan Lafo
April 27 @ 9:44am
I have been doing research into New Sweden. Jöran Kyn one of the founders is my 10th great-grandfather. I have a new DNA match to a Swedish male with whom I've been writing. His relative, Margaret Mansdotter, married Peter Larsson Cock (1618 - 1687). According to the legend, he took the name Cock because he was the cook on the ship which brought them to America. He was not known by that name in Sweden. I did a Cox mentioned her cousin's yDNA was tested and the results were Finnish.
Susan Lafo
April 27 @ 10:02am
Here is a blurb about the Finns in New Sweden. Sorry, I forgot to copy the link. "It appears therefore, that the Finnish nationality had its own existence for generations in New Sweden. In 1693 a census of the population of New Sweden gives 971 persons, and among the names are several which are obviously of Finnish origin despite their distortion. In this and other documents of New Sweden the following names may be of Finnish derivation: Ekhon (corresponding Finnish name Ekonen); Hallton (Halttunen); Homman (Hommanen, Hommonen); Kåckim (Kokkinen); Collman (Kolehmainen); Kuckow (Kukkonen);Laican (Laukkanen); Leyhon (Leihoinen); Lukonen (Liikanen); Linton (Lintunen); Mink (Minkkinen); Mollica (Mullikka); Parchon (Parkkonen); Repott (Reponen); Rong (Ronkainen); Reese, Rosse (Räisänen); Savoy (Savolainen); Sinnike (Sinikainen?); Taske (Taskinen); Teoy (Toijanen, Toikkanen); Tolsa (Torsa); Veinon (Väänänen). The bracketed names, almost without exception, are those of Finnish colonists of the 16th century. "Finn", the surname of many inhabitants of New Sweden obviously denotes the nationality of the people."
Errol H Errol H has a question!
November 9 @ 12:11pm
I manage my cousin's kit 577660 and have tested to Y67 and wonder if there is any benefit to doing a higher test?
Ilpo Kantonen
November 9 @ 1:48pm
More accurate haplogroup. And Big Y can give more accurate haplogroups in future too (when there are some genetic near samples). And Big Y can give new matches which Y-12 - 1-111 don't.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
April 1 @ 10:22am
You can take a look at this version of the N haplo tree: http://haplotree.info/n/?node=N-M231 Your Y-67 STR marker test result gives some rough approximation of your actual position in that tree. Say, N-M178 is typical. To get any more precise information you'll need more precise a test. Y-111 will get you already much further, but even it is still an approximation, which cannot make difference between branches that share a common ancestor some 1000+ years ago. The only way to get more precise information than that is to test SNPs, for which Big Y-700 is easiest.
Robert Holmé Robert Holmé
April 1 @ 3:53am
Hello, my name is Robert Holmé, big Y result, BY 63718. My oldest knownanchestor lived in Østanås, Älvsbacka, Värmland and his name was Johan Olofsson(Nyquist) 1685 - 1773.
Tapani Tunkkari Tapani Tunkkari
November 26 @ 6:36am
Jag har anor från 1600-talet och förr i Nås, Hoen (Sverige): Kinnunen, Rikkinen. Erik Hindersson Kinnunen, född 1687 eller 1692, kom till Halso/Halsua i Finland och är fmmmmfff till mig.
John Cox John Cox
February 9, 2019 @ 3:18pm
Hello, Does anyone know if there is a list of Y-DNA tested people who have ancestors who emigrated to the 17th century American New Sweden Colony? Details can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden In my case, my paternal line in America is well-proved to my most distant ancestor, Archibald Cox Sr. (ca 1773 - ca 1842). Details can be found here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 My N-M231 haplogroup (67 panels) correlates with 5 people in America and 24 in Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark at a genetic distance <=5. Even at the 111 panel level, there are 3 in America and 7 in Sweden or Finland at a genetic distance <=9. For me, understanding the diaspora from the NSC in America via clues from other paternal lines would be invaluable. Thank you, John Cox Vienna, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hei, Tietääkö kukaan, onko luettelossa Y-DNA-testattuja ihmisiä, joilla on esivanhemmat, jotka muuttivat 1700-luvun amerikkalaiselle uudelle Ruotsille? Tiedot löytyvät täältä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden Minun tapauksessani isäni Amerikassa on osoittautunut kaikkein kaukaisimmalle esivanhemmalleni, Archibald Cox Sr: lle (noin 1773 - noin 1842). Tiedot löytyvät täältä: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 Oma N-M231 haploryhmä (67 paneelia) korreloi 5 ihmisen kanssa Amerikassa ja 24 Ruotsissa / Suomessa / Norjassa / Tanskassa geneettisellä etäisyydellä <= 5. Jopa 111-paneelin tasolla Amerikassa on 3 ja Ruotsissa 7 tai Suomessa geneettinen etäisyys <= 9. Minun mielestäni diasporan ymmärtäminen Amerikan NSC: stä muiden isäntälinjojen vihjeiden kautta olisi arvokasta. Kiitos, John Cox Wien, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hej, Vet någon om det finns en lista över Y-DNA-testade personer som har förfäder som emigrerade till den amerikanska nya svenska kolonin från 1700-talet? Detaljer finns här: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden I mitt fall är min faderlinje i Amerika väl beprövad till min avlägsna förfader, Archibald Cox Sr. (ca 1773 - ca 1842). Detaljer finns här: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 Min N-M231 haplogrupp (67 paneler) korrelerar med 5 personer i Amerika och 24 i Sverige / Finland / Norge / Danmark på genetiskt avstånd <= 5. Även vid 111 panelnivå finns det 3 i Amerika och 7 i Sverige eller Finland på genetiskt avstånd <= 9. För mig är det ovärderligt att förstå diasporan från NSC i Amerika via ledtrådar från andra paternallinjer. Tack, John Cox Wien, VA USA
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Ahti Kare
October 8 @ 12:40pm
I recommended to do Big Y 700. It give about 70 years per one variat, and it help You to put your matches in jour patch! There are many names from jour matches in my matches, but they are two steps awaj.
John Grogan
October 24 @ 9:26am
I don't think there is such a list. I know from my Ancestry.com autosomal DNA results that Cox, Stidham, Johnson, Rambo, and quite a few other New Sweden surnames are very common statistically in Central Appalachia, Southeast Kentucky, Northeast Tennessee, Northwest North Carolina, and Southwest Virginia, basically the area around the Cumberland Gap.
John Grogan
October 24 @ 9:28am
If such a list exists I would be interested in a similar list of all females' earliest maternal ancestor that matched my mtDNA especially if they have a written line in their tree all the way back to a male or female listed in the various censuses and ship rolls for New Sweden.
Markus Karjalainen
November 5 @ 2:40pm
Yes! I have all of you cox’ as a Y dna match :) don’t know how and where the link comes from well as of yet.