Forest Finn DNA

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Errol H Errol H has a question!
November 9 @ 12:11pm
I manage my cousin's kit 577660 and have tested to Y67 and wonder if there is any benefit to doing a higher test?
Ilpo Kantonen
November 9 @ 1:48pm
More accurate haplogroup. And Big Y can give more accurate haplogroups in future too (when there are some genetic near samples). And Big Y can give new matches which Y-12 - 1-111 don't.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
April 1 @ 10:22am
You can take a look at this version of the N haplo tree: http://haplotree.info/n/?node=N-M231 Your Y-67 STR marker test result gives some rough approximation of your actual position in that tree. Say, N-M178 is typical. To get any more precise information you'll need more precise a test. Y-111 will get you already much further, but even it is still an approximation, which cannot make difference between branches that share a common ancestor some 1000+ years ago. The only way to get more precise information than that is to test SNPs, for which Big Y-700 is easiest.
Robert Holmé Robert Holmé
April 1 @ 3:53am
Hello, my name is Robert Holmé, big Y result, BY 63718. My oldest knownanchestor lived in Østanås, Älvsbacka, Värmland and his name was Johan Olofsson(Nyquist) 1685 - 1773.
Marie Rundquist Marie Rundquist
February 18, 2019 @ 9:34pm
Hello, my name is Marie Rundquist and I've entered my Family Finder results here. I was born in the State of Maryland in the USA, where I still live today; my father's people are from the Lower Eastern Shore of Maryland (Somerset County), and it is through my father's line that I match several families within this project. I only speak English and apologize for inability to communicate otherwise. My latest 2019 Family Finder matches reveal a direct ancestral link with project members who appear to have full, native, Finnish ancestry and surnames. If you are reading this post, look for me by name in your matches. Here is a sampling of what I find in Chromosome Browser for Finnish "in common with" matches, many of them members of this project (at 5 CM). This is my Ancestry Tree (public) and the line to trace is for Frank H. Pierce III (my late father) whose Y-line was for the Bounds surname. His mother's line traces through her Brown surname. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/29891233/family/pedigree
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John Cox
March 5, 2019 @ 10:37am
Marie -- your post is very interesting. There are several Cox surname people in the U.S. who have traced their paternal lines back to 18th century America or earlier, & who may have ancestors who emigrated from early 17th century Sweden or Finland to the New Sweden Colony (in the present-day Delaware Valley). Please see WikiTree for my example (& more detail): https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 I can place you in contact with the research group if you like. We have been looking at Kukko-Kuckow-Kock-Cock-Cox & Kukkoinen surnames among these early colonists for several years. N-M231 & related are of particular interest. We're also especially interested in people living today in Finland or Sweden who know about others who came to America in the 17th century.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
March 6, 2019 @ 1:14pm
I wouldn't exclude the Finnish surnames Kokko ("bonfire" or "eagle" in Finnish) and Kokkonen ("little bonfire", "little eagle") either. Nor Kokkola ("place of bonfire", "place of eagle"), which also is the name of a pretty large harbour by the Gulf of Bothnia in Finland. And, both 'kukko' and 'kokko' have originally actually meant "a cuckoo" in Finnish. Even 'Kekko' and 'Kekkonen' (the ex-President of Finland!), 'Käkönen' and 'Kähkönen' are variations of the same, although probably too far sought in this case. In Oulu there's also a Swedish family called 'Keckman', of the same origin. And that's just a beginning of all variations of the Finnish word 'käki' (= cuckoo).
John Cox
March 6, 2019 @ 5:34pm
Thanks for those suggestions about the Finnish surnames & their meanings.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
November 27 @ 8:04pm
@ John Cox: Have you checked your "neighbour" in the Block tree, Thomas Emanuelsson ? PROFILE Earliest Known Ancestor Paternal: Bertil Pålsson Kukkoinen b.1635 Timbonäs Gräsm. Maternal: Not Provided Haplogroup Y-DNA N-BY62666 --------------- Considering Bertil Pålsson Kukkoinen's Eastern Finnish style Family name, mother's time and place of birth (https://www.geni.com/people/Elisabeth-Mynttinen/6000000006122448487?through=6000000006122757120), his father is some "Pål Kukkoinen", who highly likely has moved from the Eastern or Central Finland to Sweden around that same time. There are pretty good registers about tax payers at that time in Finland, so you might well find some good candidates by browsing. A lot of work, but not impossible.
Tapani Tunkkari Tapani Tunkkari
November 26 @ 6:36am
Jag har anor från 1600-talet och förr i Nås, Hoen (Sverige): Kinnunen, Rikkinen. Erik Hindersson Kinnunen, född 1687 eller 1692, kom till Halso/Halsua i Finland och är fmmmmfff till mig.
Carol Kaufman Carol Kaufman has a question!
October 7 @ 8:16pm
I have a question about whether it is worthwhile for me to purchase the full sequence MtDNA upgrade. I had done the National Geographic Geno 2. test, and so have my haplogroup: w1b1. This is apparently a fairly rare group, isolated almost exclusively to Finns. The earliest person on my maternal line is Ellika Henriksdotter Sormuin, born circa 1642 1642 • Närsen, Nås, Dalarna, Sweden.
Lori Carlson
October 8 @ 12:24pm
You might find more matches to your mtDNA here. That might be a reason. Or more information on specific subclade. But Finnish mtDNA matching Dalarna would not be unusual. I did a cheap test that gave me W3a, which comes up as Ukrainian. We're Norwegian on the mother line. So in this case, a better test like FTDNA did make sense because it broke down to a W3a1 +++ mutation with exact matches exclusive to Norway... and not sure yet where it came from initially before this mutation; Denmark, Britain, France, or directly from Eastern Europe... France or Britain might be most likely.. but mine is also an odd subclade so there is yet not very good info on how it got to Norway and it does not have a subclade designation yet, such as W3a1"g".. whatever; more people need to submit their results (will not get the full subclade designation until so many results submitted; group is still too small). If you have a bit of an odd mtDNA subclade, you might be able to help with a designation such as this, if it is missing for your sort... they will help guide you through this on the "W" mtDNA project if you join. You don't have to do these extra steps though if you don't want to; you can just get the results. But if your mtDNA is missing further designation for its mutation, the process of submitting your info is easy to do.
Joanne Dorr Swain (prior Bowden, Kadhum)
October 29 @ 2:05pm
Carol, I too am W1b1, but, as I found out, there was more to my mtDNA story. Why don't you have an mtDNA analysis in FTDNA, then join W&N2a project. The administrator, Mats Carlin, is amazing. He further analyzed my results, coming up with a back-mutation. Here's what I was told: • W1b1 is defined by A10086G. • W1b1+A12613G is defined by A12613G. • You have the private mutations A227G! which is the backmutation of A227G that you share with one kit from Ingria, one from Russia and a few from Finland.
Joanne Dorr Swain (prior Bowden, Kadhum)
October 29 @ 2:26pm
Carol, based on Forest Finns ancient origins, I was not surprised by where my present-day "0" distance matches are located geographically. Clearly, my grandmother's maternal roots are to the east although she resided in western Finland at the time she departed for the US (about 1897). As W1b1, you may have some very close matches too that are in the FTDNA database. But you want to get the analysis done in FTDNA, then join the "W" project so you'll have the chance to drill down to the most recent mutation.
Carol Kaufman
November 5 @ 7:13pm
I've ordered the MtDNA full sequence, since it's on sale now, so we'll see if it turns up anything interesting/useful. Thanks,
John Cox John Cox
February 9, 2019 @ 3:18pm
Hello, Does anyone know if there is a list of Y-DNA tested people who have ancestors who emigrated to the 17th century American New Sweden Colony? Details can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden In my case, my paternal line in America is well-proved to my most distant ancestor, Archibald Cox Sr. (ca 1773 - ca 1842). Details can be found here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 My N-M231 haplogroup (67 panels) correlates with 5 people in America and 24 in Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark at a genetic distance <=5. Even at the 111 panel level, there are 3 in America and 7 in Sweden or Finland at a genetic distance <=9. For me, understanding the diaspora from the NSC in America via clues from other paternal lines would be invaluable. Thank you, John Cox Vienna, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hei, Tietääkö kukaan, onko luettelossa Y-DNA-testattuja ihmisiä, joilla on esivanhemmat, jotka muuttivat 1700-luvun amerikkalaiselle uudelle Ruotsille? Tiedot löytyvät täältä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden Minun tapauksessani isäni Amerikassa on osoittautunut kaikkein kaukaisimmalle esivanhemmalleni, Archibald Cox Sr: lle (noin 1773 - noin 1842). Tiedot löytyvät täältä: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 Oma N-M231 haploryhmä (67 paneelia) korreloi 5 ihmisen kanssa Amerikassa ja 24 Ruotsissa / Suomessa / Norjassa / Tanskassa geneettisellä etäisyydellä <= 5. Jopa 111-paneelin tasolla Amerikassa on 3 ja Ruotsissa 7 tai Suomessa geneettinen etäisyys <= 9. Minun mielestäni diasporan ymmärtäminen Amerikan NSC: stä muiden isäntälinjojen vihjeiden kautta olisi arvokasta. Kiitos, John Cox Wien, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hej, Vet någon om det finns en lista över Y-DNA-testade personer som har förfäder som emigrerade till den amerikanska nya svenska kolonin från 1700-talet? Detaljer finns här: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden I mitt fall är min faderlinje i Amerika väl beprövad till min avlägsna förfader, Archibald Cox Sr. (ca 1773 - ca 1842). Detaljer finns här: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cox-8940 Min N-M231 haplogrupp (67 paneler) korrelerar med 5 personer i Amerika och 24 i Sverige / Finland / Norge / Danmark på genetiskt avstånd <= 5. Även vid 111 panelnivå finns det 3 i Amerika och 7 i Sverige eller Finland på genetiskt avstånd <= 9. För mig är det ovärderligt att förstå diasporan från NSC i Amerika via ledtrådar från andra paternallinjer. Tack, John Cox Wien, VA USA
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Ahti Kare
October 8 @ 12:40pm
I recommended to do Big Y 700. It give about 70 years per one variat, and it help You to put your matches in jour patch! There are many names from jour matches in my matches, but they are two steps awaj.
John Grogan
October 24 @ 9:26am
I don't think there is such a list. I know from my Ancestry.com autosomal DNA results that Cox, Stidham, Johnson, Rambo, and quite a few other New Sweden surnames are very common statistically in Central Appalachia, Southeast Kentucky, Northeast Tennessee, Northwest North Carolina, and Southwest Virginia, basically the area around the Cumberland Gap.
John Grogan
October 24 @ 9:28am
If such a list exists I would be interested in a similar list of all females' earliest maternal ancestor that matched my mtDNA especially if they have a written line in their tree all the way back to a male or female listed in the various censuses and ship rolls for New Sweden.
Markus Karjalainen
November 5 @ 2:40pm
Yes! I have all of you cox’ as a Y dna match :) don’t know how and where the link comes from well as of yet.
Marlane Nygaard Marlane Nygaard has a question!
October 23 @ 2:59pm
Ihave Anna Larsdotter b. 1770 maybe Rovaniemi, Lappi Finland m. Lars Mannsson b. 1686 I have not been able to find info on Anna can anyone help?thank you
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Jari Kinnunen
October 27 @ 4:08pm
What is the relationship between Anna Larsdotter b.1770 and Lars Mansson b.1686 as you wrote in your initial query?
Marlane Nygaard
October 28 @ 7:43pm
they were married we believe Anna was his 2nd wife
Jari Kinnunen
October 29 @ 3:24am
Lars is 84 years older than Anna, it seems not feasible that they were married?
Marlane Nygaard
October 29 @ 11:39am
that is ok forget it
Elin Norum Midtland Elin Norum Midtland has a question!
September 27 @ 9:36am
Hei, Jeg er helt ny på denne siden. Har tatt test hos Myheritage tidligere, der resultatene ble blant annet 9,7% finsk. Jeg har fått bekreftet via en slektning at jeg har skogfinske aner og at de innvandret fra området Savolax :) Et av slektsnavnene skal være Pöyhönen eller noe lignende. Det jeg stusser litt over er at ikke det dukker opp noe spor av finske aner her inne på siden. Det jeg fikk var skandinavisk (altså ikke fennoscandia eller finland) + 7% southeast european (Italia, Hellas osv). Har lastet opp dna på andre sider i tillegg, slik som gedmatch mfl. Der fikk jeg også opp en del fennoscandian. :)
May Lis Martinsen
September 27 @ 12:43pm
Hei Elin. Ser vi to har sammenfallende dna...i min direkte ane 13 generasjoner har jeg Peder Sigfridsen Pöyhöinen f 1564 Savlax Finland
Elin Norum Midtland
October 3 @ 2:07pm
Hei!, så spennende :) Ja det navnet husker jeg.
Veikko Muhonen Veikko Muhonen
February 20, 2019 @ 6:31am
Hellow Lori Carlson, Räisälä municapility is now part of Russia. It is close to Viipuri. I know persons who were born in Räisälä. We lost the area to Sovjet Union after world war 2. Look at Google map, you will find the location. sorry my bug at first trial, I am a new user.
Lori Carlson
March 3, 2019 @ 12:39pm
Thank you. I just saw this post. I think this might be accurate. As I noted in another post, an ancestor location was for Räisälä but it also said "Savo". I think the Savo part was maybe just an assumption then, that all the Forest Finns were from Savo region. Our highest matching for Finn region so far is Karelian. I still do not understand how relationship range can be predicted at 2nd-4th cousin. There are a couple Räisäinen lines in this family but that should not matter this much. There might be separate Karelian or more recent too that I can not find in my records. But many of my matches and Dads are Finns who are near Karelian border or have ancestry for this area, or matches who are Karelian.
Veikko Muhonen
March 5, 2019 @ 10:41am
Hellow, I can confirm that there is not any other Räisälä, municipality or town which is mentioned as a birth place. This Räisälä is located in South Karelia. My birth place is Kitee in North Karelia, very close to present Russian border. Now I live in Helsinki area. Räisäinen is a common name in Finland, is written now in form Räisänen. My name was also earlier Muhoinen with i between. I have matches in Finnforest at Aspberget and some in various places of Russia but not any in USA.
Timo-Heikki Mäkelä
March 13, 2019 @ 7:47pm
Lori, I did a bit of research for you. First, "Kohkoi", "Kohkoin" and "Kohkoinen" (I don't know the meaning.) are definitely versions of the same name, due to Swedish scribes in early days. (Kokko has nothing to do with this.) The family has its origin in Övertorneå at the current border between Finland and Sweden in early 16th century, and before that likely in Sweden. They were wealthy 'birkarl' and their family still are staying there. (Check http://www.kohkoinen.se/handelserikaartal.htm and 'Kohkoinen i Kuivaskangas' in this: http://erikkuoksu.se/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/birkarlar.pdf . Translate with Google.) (Notice, that the border didn't exist before year 1809, when Finland became a part of the Russian Empire. Before that it was only a ecclesiastical border between the diocese of Uppsala and that of Turku, both part of the same common Sweden. Ethnic Finns were, and still are living on both sides of that area, and form a local majority also on the current Swedish area. Many names i Swedish Lappland are clearly Finnish or Sami, e.g. the name of the major mining town Kiruna/Kiiruna is a bird living on the hills. The border is and has always been almost non-existent in practice for the local folk. So, any matches on the Swedish side you find there are *Finns* or *Sami* for real.) Second, Räisälä seems to point to the Räisälä village (administratively 'socken' in Swedish) in Kemijärvi municipality in the Finnish Lappland, anyways - and not to the parish ('kyrkosocken') with same name in Karelia. (Not sure, though. The Karelian Räisälä definitely has been a source of migration to Savo and further North as well.) See http://hiski.genealogia.fi/seurakunnat/srk?CMD=SRK&ID=188&TYPE=HTML . Despite a long geographic distance between Räisälä in Kemijärvi and Övertorneå, they actually were pretty close for the people in the 17th century, because of the rivers Torniojoki and Kemijoki in between - both large and important "highways" of Lapland relatively frequently trafficed by boats that time. Someone with name Räisänen moved likely from Ii (municipality near Oulu) to Kemijärvi, and gave name to the Räisälä village, and his descendants later moved back to Kuusamo, where you have more matches! With just a quick test search I found this: Olli Laurinpoika (Lauri's son) Räisänen, b. in Kemijärvi 1806, d. in Kuusamo 1865. https://www.geni.com/people/Olli-R%C3%A4is%C3%A4nen/6000000008200297805?through=6000000008200160369 . This is his ancestor, who moved to Räisälä in Kemijärvi, via Kuusamo: https://www.geni.com/people/Mikko-R%C3%A4is%C3%A4nen/6000000011801286250?through=6000000011801312320 . Also his brothers moved the same way. Obviously these Räisänen people have moved around in the area, and back and forth between Kemijärvi and Kuusamo several times. So, this is a valid explanation for Räisälä and your matches in that area. Although this Räisälä isn't in Savo either.
Ilpo Kantonen Ilpo Kantonen
May 5, 2019 @ 2:31pm
I have heard that chromosome 10 has a block starting at 35260181 and about 10 cM is block of forest finn people. The block is inherited unchanged to many descendants. I looked my matches and found the starting point from many my matches. I guess that I have about 300 matches who have that. But the block is not 10 cM. They are much shorter among my matches.
Ilpo Kantonen
May 6, 2019 @ 4:09pm
Ilpo Kantonen
May 6, 2019 @ 4:09pm
Lori Carlson
August 10 @ 1:52pm
Interesting. I wonder if some different long segments in New Sweden and in Finnskoga through 1800s. I think I got invited into some really unrelated projects on FTDNA based on long Finnskoga segments (did not accept).