E-PF2431 Project

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About us

Haplogroup E-PF2431


Our group of Genetic Genealogists is dedicated to identifying our common heritage and rapid migratory pattern during the period of the expansion of the Roman Empire into the Iberian Peninsula, Germania Superior/Italy and the Peak District, England which generated a genetic cluster in the larger E Haplogroup; the E1b1b1b* A. Our group actively uses both traditional and genetic genealogy in the endeavor to understand this genetic cluster, however it is genetics that has brought us together and has given us our connections. Many of our members are vigorously pursuing their roots in each of our geographic centers with the hope of discovering ancestral paths to our common ancestors.

We utilize FamilyTreeDNA for testing our haplotypes.  If you are interested in joining in on this journey and you have tested with a company other than FTDNA.com, please contact one of our administrators so that we can work with you to add your haplotype to our project’s website. Many within our group are active contributors to the http://www.haplozone.net community and seek to utilize phylogeny (the equivalent of Family Trees in genetics) in our endeavors. However we know that the non-genetic traditional and historical research is an equal, if not more important, part of any conclusions we make in regards to our genealogy. Ultimately, DNA provides us a direction, but traditional genealogy is the proof we seek for our relationships.

The members of our project are joined by a common SNP mutation called PF2431. However, you do not need to know if you have this mutation to join. Simply, contact one of the group administrators and we can identify if you are at this time a good fit within our group. Subsequent testing may prove or disprove this initial assumption.  Although we have a list of surnames which we currently know to have the PF2431 SNP, this list is limited. So please do not let the surname list discourage you from inquiring. We also encourage you to join the E3b project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b/ if you have tested and E signifies your Haplogroup. We wish you great success in your research!

E-PF2431 is the branch of the human family tree marked by the mutation PF2431+. It is a rare Y chromosome clade of paternal lineages in the World. There are two large subclades of E-PF2431 : Y10561 and PF2423. This project is intended for people who are SNP (Single-Nucleotide Polymorphism) tested PF2431+ or one of its descendant SNPs, like PF2438,Y10561, FGC18981, FGC38527, FGC18958, PF2428, etc.

An important goal of this project is to discover the full deep ancestral family tree of paternal lineages for all E-PF2431 people.This will help us understand the origins of E-PF2431 as a whole, at the subclade levels and down to the genealogical family tree level. The primary method of marking branches in the tree are SNPs so this project is for people who are interested in SNP testing.   

The PF2431 project administrators will automatically move members to the appropriate E-PF2431 subgroupings as test results dictate.

1. You must have a test result with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA.) To read more about DNA testing check the DNA FAQ item in the menu above. National Genographic Project testers can easily join, but first you must transfer your test results to FTDNA by following the instructions at your National Genographic web page. Genographic customers must order Y STRs or they will not appear on the project screens and in the YMATCHING system..

 To join this project click on JOIN in the graphic banner above and login with your FTDNA account ID and password. 

 Update your myFTDNAdashboard by clicking on MANAGE PERSONAL INFORMATION. This is critical to finding potential relatives and understanding origins.

  Make sure your privacy settings are correct for the project. Click on the tab PRIVACY & SHARING. Look under MY DNA RESULTS for the question "Who can view my DNA results in group projects?". Change to ANYONE if it isn't already.

 Update your Paternal Ancestor name and origins. Click on the tab PERSONAL PROFILE tab and scroll down to update your paternal origins information from the MyFTDNA dashboard after logged into. Select MOST DISTANTANCESTORS and complete the information for your PATERNAL DIRECT most distant (oldest) ancestor. Please enter only information that is not speculative. Enter first and last names, birth year and as specific a birth and origin location as you can in the NAME field. For example, “
John Pegge 1508, Shirley, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England”. For the COUNTRY OF ORIGIN field, please be as specific as possible. For instance, rather than select UNITED KINGDOM please pick either ENGLAND, IRELAND, NORTHERN IRELAND, SCOTLAND OR WALES if you know the origin. Add the latitude and longitude information as well so that the automatic maps can be drawn properly. If you don't know, that is okay. Unknown may be the correct answer.
 An additional sharing option is to create a Ysearch record from your myFTDNA web page so potential relatives can contact you without exchanging email IDs or other personal information. From the Y DNA menu on select MATCHES. On that screen scroll down to find the UPLOAD TO YSEARCH.ORG button and follow the instructions there. To learn more, Ysearch is at http://ysearch.org.
 Join the l19projectforum for this project. There are also links to scientific papers, researchdata, etc. on this forum. You do not need to supply your actual name for this forum.You can use a nickname. You can visit http://www.l19project.com/

 If you have not yet tested to 67 Y STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) please upgrade. PF2431 is rare so it is hard to discern between subgroups and potential relatives often times without 67 STRs. 111 STR testing is clearly preferable and a better deal in terms of cost per STR, but 67 is the minimum needed. To learn more, read http://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/y-str/upgrading-markers-improve-information/ 

More STRs can help...

a) guide you on SNP/haplogroup testing, saving money on that kind of testing,

b) provide additional and better matches on your myFTDNA matches screen,

c) improve precision for Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) estimates,

d) and going all the way to 111 Y STRs supports family tree building when you reach brick walls in your genealogy, since the 111 STR panel is estimated to have a change once every three generations.

 Move forwardwith an Single-Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) testing plan so your subclade can be identified and haplogroup labeled properly and should not be overlooked. Clear patterns among your best matches may help you decide what SNPs or SNP Packs to buy. This project's Activity Feed as well as the L19 Project Forum are setup to help you evaluate testing plans. 

SNPs can be ordered one at a time from FTDNA by logging into your myFTDNAaccount, selecting the blue UPGRADES button and then scrolling down to the ADVANCED TESTS box and the BUY NOW button. SNP Packs can also be ordered here.

 Big Y is the preferred test.  It is probably the most important test you can take.It is a Next Generation Sequencing (NGS) test that discovers new SNPs by scanning over 11 million locations on the Y chromosome. The tremendous benefit in this is you will discover SNPs for just your paternal lineage as well as identify ancient SNPs that you may share with many, many other people. Big Y has the ability to discover SNPs that are pertinent to the genealogical timeframe, the last couple of hundred years. The Big Y learning web site has more details.
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/big-y/ Please read the Lewis and Clark Expedition analogy for Big Y exploration on theFAQ page. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-df99/faq/

 The L19 SNP Pack are very cost effective options that give you very good coverage of E-PF2431. You can order a pack from your myFTDNAaccount. If you don't see the option, please check the blue UPGRADES button,then the BUY NOW button in the ADVANCED TESTS box, and pick SNP PACK in the SELECT A PRODUCT box. Please post on the Activity Feed forum if you need help.

If you have a true interest in genetic genealogy and breaking beyond the brickwalls of your genealogical records, please strongly consider both Big Y to determine your haplogroup down to a very recent timeframe and 111 STRs so that you can refine your close-in family and surname mutation history tree.

Most E-PF2431 paternal lineages are related within the last several thousand years. That means that STR based haplotypes often look alike. It is just aremnant of the fact we are closely related. SNPs help differentiate the branches of E-PF2431’s descendants tree

E-PF2431 itself, the main branch of our tree, is marked by the SNP PF2431. We all are PF2431+ since it was present in our common ancestor, a single prehistoric man. There are several known branches on the E-PF2431 tree.

Many of these branches have coincidentally matching YSTRs. In other words, their branches appear to cross. This gives us false matches. This is definitely a problem with limited haplotypes of 12 and 25 STR markers. Getting up to 37 helps, but 67 is really needed. 111 STRs is best.

STRs are very useful for general guidance and for matching at the very recent family level, but they are not 100% reliable since some mutate relatively quickly and go both up and down and back to where they started from.

SNPs are much more reliable markers for our paternal lineages. Theoretically, they are permanent throughout eternity so they reliably show our branching of paternal lineages. The number of SNPs available for testing is growing as more and more advanced testing is developed. You will want to identify your terminal SNP, which is the youngest SNP mutation that you have, that is on a formal Y DNA tree. Your terminal SNP tells you where you fit from a deep ancestral perspective.

With SNPs

a) You are more efficient by avoiding false matches when checking for potential genealogical relationships,

b) You identify deep ancestral family, clan orhistorical origins,

c) You see what geographic locations might produce additional matches and pertinent genealogical or historical information and

d) You benefit all people E1b1b1 in general, can I to science, because we understand better how and when this line of men spread throughout Africa and Europe.

For additional information on SNP testing please visit http://dna-explained.com/2012/08/10/to-snp-or-not-to-snp/

This is a public project. The more of us who test and share our information, the more we will all know. When you join this project, you have granted permission to place your Y SNP and STR data into the public domain, from which it can never be retrieved. We do not publish your full given name or contact info. 

Thank you for your consideration. Please review the Results web page. If you have specific questions please post on the Activity Feed or join the PF2431 project forum at http://l19project.com/forum/