Doherty Surname Group

O'Dochartaigh
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Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
July 13 @ 6:05pm
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Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
July 2 @ 5:04pm
Ordered in March...delayed again...just dropped into July now... very frustrating and completely unprofessional. Keen on getting new sales, not so keen on communication or delivering results when stated.
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Colin Dougherty
July 7 @ 5:35pm
I don't mind being pushed back. I like being treated no different than the rest of my cousins, distant as they may be from me. We'll learn together, as it should be.
Colin Dougherty
July 10 @ 5:38pm
I am now pushed back to 7/22-8/8.
Zack Daugherty
July 11 @ 7:35pm
I'm probably going to start complaining soon as an admin (which really isn't any different than complaining as a normal customer) to see what the deal is with your delays. We now have 3 upgrades completed in the project which were ordered a month or two after your Big Y. So I'll ask them about it this coming week.
Paul Dougherty
July 13 @ 7:34am
This is one of the most difficult companies that I have ever had to deal with; the lack of fluid communication is awful. You never know when or if you are going to receive a reply to a question or complaint.
Dennis Sutton Dennis Sutton
July 11 @ 3:21pm
Just received my Y700 results today; Kit 120515. What do I need to do now? And Paul, you are listed in my match list.
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Zack Daugherty
July 11 @ 7:25pm
Paul, That is strange. Bob Doherty's recent Y700 had a button to "Generate BAM Link" which took a day or less to generate a new BAM download link. I would have assumed it should have done the same for you...however, I can't see this as an administrator since GDPR May 2018 where admins have more limited access to project member's RAW data. Was your interest in the BAM associated with something in particular? I do recommend when you have the opportunity to submit a link to download your VCF to the Y-DNA Data Warehouse so that Alex Williamson can update your data on the Big Tree.
Zack Daugherty
July 11 @ 7:33pm
Dennis and Paul, I just got back to civilization. Congrats on being the next set of project members with Y700 completions. Next steps, as Dennis appears to have done, is to submit your VCF file (Big Y RAW data) to the Y-DNA Data Warehouse (https://ydna-warehouse.org/submit.php). If you need help with this let me know. Step after this, which is purely optional, is to have YFull analyze your BAM file which will need to be requested from FTDNA. Since it is a completely new test YFull treats analysis of these BAMs as if they are new tests (which they are). So they unfortunately charge $49 to do this. Again, this is optional; I personally` plan to because I did a Dante Labs Whole Genome Sequence for my father which I had Yfull analyze...so I'd like to use their SNP dating estimates and so forth over there whenever possible.
Zack Daugherty
July 11 @ 7:41pm
Paul, Your novel variants went from 2 remaining up to 5. Dennis, Your novel variants went from 5 to a whopping 14. When Alex processes both of you the quality of these new "novel" variants will be easier to determine. Still they should provide for more granular matching as future matches roll in.
Paul Dougherty
July 12 @ 4:21pm
Hi Zack, Thanks, I've emailed you.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
June 29 @ 8:12am
UPDATE 7/1/2019: It seems FTDNA extended this through July 4, 2019 in an email released to administrators. Just passing along. Apparently people were complaining about the 3 day codes not working for people already sitting at certain STR levels because FTDNA made it so it does. I’ve only tried the PROJECTSBIGY code. A Y111 tester can now get their biggest discount moving up to Big Y 700 of -$350 off total (see image) for $299. A Y67 tester gets -$300 off to make it $349. Group Project Members can save on Y-DNA and Family Finder when they use one of the below promo codes when placing their order! Codes will expire on 30. June. Promo Codes: $40 off Y-37 when you use code PROJECTSY37 $49 off Y-67 when you use code PROJECTSY67 $60 off Y-111 when you use code PROJECTSY111 $150 off Big Y-700 when you use code PROJECTSBIGY $20 off Family Finder when you use code PROJECTSFF Offer Rules & Details: Promo codes expire 30 June 2019 @ 11:59 pm US CT Only one promo code may be applied to the cart per transaction Promo codes may not be used in conjunction with other offers and only apply to full price items Offer is for add-on tests and new kits, not valid on upgrades
Carol Ann Page Carol Ann Page
June 28 @ 8:02am
This is the only information I have for my Doherty relatives: Name: Martha Doherty - My second great grandmother Gender: Female Age: 18 Birth Date: 1830 Marriage Date: 5 Dec 1848 Father: Hugh Doherty Spouse: John Beaty John Beaty lived in Barracks. A few birth records for their children mention Ramelton. In later years they moved to Letterkenny. Martha Doherty Beatty passed in 1900 in Letterkenny. They were Presbyterian. In some records Martha Doherty has been identified as Matty Dogherty.
Zack Daugherty
June 28 @ 8:10am
Mind if I share this information to the O'Dochartaigh Clann Facebook page also? There are quite a few people experienced in genealogy there that don't frequent this activity feed here.
Carol Ann Page
June 28 @ 8:43am
Thank you, very much appreciated.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
June 6 @ 11:20pm
All, Everyone likely received emails on the Father's Day Sale for 2019. Sale ends June 17th. Be sure to consult an administrator if you have questions on testing.
Colin Dougherty
June 23 @ 2:29am
FTDNA has once again revised the Big Y - 700 delivery date for me (who provided the initial swabs in February 2019) to somewhere between June 24 and July 8. I'd be perfectly happy if they extended the final delivery date to coincide with the delivery dates of other Doherty surname participants so that we can all see, at once, the effect of more accurate SNPs on our relationships to one another. This would help participants, perhaps, link up with other more closely related SNP relatives and get a better fix on identifying the specific townlawnds from whence our more closely related ancestors came from. Just an idea.
Colin Dougherty
June 25 @ 5:48pm
Got my wish. Now the delivery date is July 8 to July 22.
Zack Daugherty
June 26 @ 1:12pm
Yeah, no Big Y completions within and without this project. Beginning to wonder if FTDNA lent out their Ilumina sequencing machines.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
June 17 @ 12:58pm
A great blog post written by Maurice Gleeson almost a year ago calling for the term 'NPE' (Non-paternity Event or Not Parent Expected) to be referred to as Surname or DNA Switch, 'SDS'. The blog is great at explaining the possibilities and probabilities of this occurring. For a Doherty tester born in 1950 there is 31 – 52.5% probability of a SDS occurring in their patriline across 37 generations to what is believed to be the surname progenitor or common ancestor of 850 – 900 AD. (continue reading for the math involved). http://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/07/goodbye-npe-hello-sds-some-causes-of.html His probability calculations on this occurring is based on several conservative estimates from various studies of 1 – 2% per generation. Note that he calculated this incorrectly with a correction in the comments. For Ó Dochartaigh if we are to assume that Group 1 testers descend from the progenitor of the first man to earn the title "Dochartaig" then the testers are estimated to converge at around 850-900 AD. If we have a male Doherty (or variant spelling) tester born around 1950 then, on average assuming 30 years per generation, there would be approximately 1,100 years to this progenitor or ~37 generations. So, the calculation for a 1% per generation would be: 0.99 ^ 37 = 0.6894 which is stating there is a 68.9% chance this Doherty tester DID NOT HAVE AN SDS on his line, or, in other terms, there is a 31% chance this tester's patriline experienced an SDS. Same calculation for 2% would be: 0.98 ^ 37 = 0.4735 or 47.4% of no SDS, in other terms 52.6% probability of a SDS occurring across 37 generations. So, a male tester born in 1950 would have a 31 – 52.5% chance of a Surname or DNA Switch on their patriline across 37 generations or approximately back to 850 AD when Group 1 Dohertys converge on a common ancestor.
Colin Dougherty
June 23 @ 1:50am
A very interesting article. Thank you, I like the fact that the ancient Irish were decidedly less strict about sexual morality before the forever ashamed lockstep approach of Jansenist priests took over in Ireland following the Famine to convince the Irish that the Famine had been their fault and that they deserved to suffer. This approach was most definitely exported to the United States where I grew up feeling ashamed during the 1960s at being alive under the tutelage of strict Roman Catholic nuns and priests, most of whom were Irish and many of whom were fond of beating small children for little or no reason. (With gratitude and pride, I note that my own relatives in religious orders were without exception inclined to be accepting of human nature and act with compassion towards others.) The ancient approach, a more forgiving and compassionate approach, was apparently more willing to acknowledge and accept the realities of human emotion and people's need to take comfort in one another in the day to day world. Before Jansenism took hold, from what I've read, the Irish were a lusty, ribald lot who acknowledged women's rights to be real people and love as they choose. Under Brehon Law, I've read, marriages were renewable commitments and could be ended by either husband or wife each February. The wife's property rights were protected in the event of a leave taking. All in all, it makes sense and would have inclined both men and women, I think, not to take advantage of one another or take each other for granted. This, I hope, lead to real, binding affection and compassion among our Irish ancestors, and made them and their children commensurately happier.
Colin Dougherty
June 23 @ 2:17am
For those of us who are fairly close to the Clann Chief line in the DNA results and have closely related STR and SNPs, I'm wondering whether the first Dochartaig and his grandfather (the hurtful, obstructive one) were also likely to have had Non-Paternity Events among their ancestors which shows up in our paternal line SNPs. Who knows. Maybe the real progenitors of the Group 1 Dohertys were a collection of exceedingly good looking unrelated traveling bards with natural charm, good humor, kindness and great stories which made them irresistible to the wives of the supposed progenitors of our Clann. To the extent it may have made the extended Dougherty Clann happier in the long run, it certainly wouldn't have hurt any of us. Exceedingly warlike men (like the first Dochartaig) would have suffered from limitations in transmitting cultural values which are more conducive to human happiness and cooperative effort. Nowdays, they call it PTSD. As nice as he could be and as hard working as he was, my own father suffered from such limitations due to his experiences as a combat officer in Europe during WWII. Maybe Non-Paternity Events were our Clann's saving grace. Makes me wonder.
Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
December 13, 2017 @ 4:28pm
Laura and Sally Daugherty I get the feeling that Laura and Sally might have been from the Cherokee Daughertys.
Paul Dougherty
June 12 @ 2:32pm
Daugherty-Laura&Sally.
Nancy Doherty-Perry Nancy Doherty-Perry
June 6 @ 10:34pm
Hello Name is Nancy Doherty and been working on my Doherty line for awhile. My gggrandfather Patrick Doherty(Daugherty) born Mar 17 1808 according to a newspaper article. He came from Balintra,Donegal,Ireland to St John ,NB,Canada in abt 1818 .If this information is correct he was only 10 yrs old.I know he had a sister that also was in St John that was born in 1800 .He married a local girl in 1828.I got a copy of their marriage record and that is where I found where he was from. My question is I have tried to do some research in Ireland years ago and never had much luck.Has research in Ireland improved over the years?
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RW Dockery
June 7 @ 3:56pm
Nancy have you tried Ireland Reaching Out (www.irelandxo.com). They may be able to help you since you know he was from Balintra, Donegal.
Colin Dougherty
June 7 @ 9:20pm
I just checked rootsireland.ie for baptisms of a Patrick (with all variants of the surname) in all counties between 1803-1813. I found 17 entries. The only entry for Donegal was from 1804 for a Church of Ireland birth for a Patrick Dogherty who lived in Tynagh, Drumhome Parish, Donegal. Parents were Patrick Dogherty and Jane Meaghan. Closer to a March 17th birthday was a Patrick Daugherty, a Roman Catholic birth in Kells, Meath, who was baptized on March 22, 1807. Parents were Michael Daugherty and Mary Daugherty. I've had some luck with rootireland.ie in tracing other Irish Catholic and Anglo-Irish ancestors (in some cases back to the late 1700s), but its not perfect and takes effort. Even with effort, traces of some people cannot be found. They weren't important enough to keep track of. It's not like French Canada and France where many people (even unimportant people) can trace ancestors back to the late 1500s. Best of luck.
Nancy Doherty-Perry
June 8 @ 9:49pm
Will check this out .Thank you I have checked the irelandxo.com out And Colin his Parents were Patrick Dogerty and Jane Meehan.That first Patrick is worth checking into. Thank you .
Colin Dougherty
June 11 @ 6:34pm
Glad to be of service, Nancy.
Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
April 1 @ 1:37pm
I'm hoping that the Clann chief line and lots of Dougherty Doherty Daugherty members etc get the new BigY 700 upgrade testing. According to people on the M222 forum there has been a big uptake of the upgrade. When we receive our results what are the procedures for uploading? Presumably it is a .bam file as before, to be uploaded to various places, Yfull and others.
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Bob Doherty
June 8 @ 1:06am
As was explained to me by Pat "Inch" Dougherty, the English imposed standardized spelling of Irish surnames in the mid-1800s (around the famine); and while there are some variations currently in use in Ireland, Doherty is the predominant spelling you will find in Ireland. That being said, there is quite a difference in how Doherty comes out of the mouths of the locals depending on where you are in Ireland. For example, on a visit in 2008, when I landed in Dublin, I called ahead to a B&B I had reservations at near Trim to confirm my arrival. When I gave my name, they said they did not have a reservation under that name. But when I spelled it D-O-H-E-R-T-Y they said" "Oh yes we do have a reservation for you. I guess my San Francisco accent was too much for them. Later, when I was in Derry, I stopped by the B&B I had reservations at and when they asked my name I told them how the previous place did not understand how I pronounced my own name. So they asked me to say it, and when I did, they said that is how they pronounced it, and they informed me that they were Dohertys too - so they should know how it is pronounced. So no matter how you spell it, you'll find out how to pronounce it if you go to the 2020 Reunion. By the way, My Great-Great grandfather's name is spelled Dogherty on his 1838 marriage records but Dougherty on his 1859 tombstone, while his son my Great-grandfather's tombstone in the same cemetery has it spelled Doherty. As Pat "Inch" Dougherty also explained to me, most of the variations in spelling that we see today are from the descendant of the Doherty clan that left Ireland before the English imposed standardized spelling, and in the USA Dougherty appears to be more predominate in the Northern states while Daugherty is more predominant in the Southern states.
Colin Dougherty
June 8 @ 10:43pm
I'm thinking that when my great-great grandfather, John, had himself naturalized as a U.S. citizen at the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York before enlisting in the Union Army, he was trying his best to modernize "Dochartaigh" by spelling his name as "Dougherty." He used the "hard" pronunciation, but knew the local Anglo-Americans just didn't get it. Hence, the multiple spellings in census reports. Funny thing about Staten Island that I learned when I started doing research the hard way before the internet: the Richmond County Court didn't start naturalizing Irish Catholics (or any kind of ethnic Catholics or Jews) until the 1890s. Before that, folks had to take the ferry to Manhattan in order to become a U.S. citizen. Tons of prejudice back in those days.
Paul Dougherty
June 11 @ 3:09pm
I consider myself to be partially 'diaspora' because I was 'conceived' in Ireland but born in England to two Irish parents. All my family are Irish and I was brought up amongst Irish accents and am comfortable with that. The reason I first got interested in Genealogy and DNA testing was because I felt torn and wanted to claim back my heartfelt 'identity'. My parents were never interested in looking back, only sentimentally so have not been of much help in my quest.
Colin Dougherty
June 11 @ 6:33pm
Years ago, I read that the musician, Peter Townshend, had somewhat of a similar experience. His mother was of Irish descent and used to dance, as a small girl, for visiting relatives before the Easter Rising. One of the relatives was Michael Collins (a/k/a the Big Man). Lots of Irish buried in the English and Scottish populations (e.g., Sean Connery, various cousins of mine, etc.). It was funny when British rock music hit America. The Irish Catholic nuns who taught me as a child let it be known that they were fond of the Beatles. They viewed them as cousins whose ancestors never took the additional step of getting on a coffin ship to Quebec, Boston, New York or Philadelphia. By contrast, these same Irish Catholic nuns had nothing but bad things to say about the Rolling Stones. Basically, because they were English and played at being bad boys. One of my great-grandmothers, Honorah Hughes, was born in Blackburn, Lancashire, the place which Lennon sang had 4,000 holes in a Day in the Life. Her family worked in the woolen mills there before emigrating en masse to Carteret, New Jersey to go back to farming - the thing they loved best and missed most about Mayo. Not one story of those hard, hard times survives. Too painful to remember. PTSD must have been rampant among the affected populations.