Doherty Surname Group

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Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
April 1 @ 1:37pm
I'm hoping that the Clann chief line and lots of Dougherty Doherty Daugherty members etc get the new BigY 700 upgrade testing. According to people on the M222 forum there has been a big uptake of the upgrade. When we receive our results what are the procedures for uploading? Presumably it is a .bam file as before, to be uploaded to various places, Yfull and others.
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Colin Dougherty
May 6 @ 9:34pm
You're right, of course. My bad.
Colin Dougherty
May 16 @ 2:06am
FTDNA has recently pushed back delivery of my Big Y-700 results until sometime between May 27 and June 10. They must be doing a land sale business on this offering. The fairly steep discount they were able to provide when I ordered must have been very attractive to a lot of FTDNA members. Hopefully, plenty of Doughertys opted to take up their offer.
Richard McDevitt
May 21 @ 9:13am
It would be welcomed, if they would finish a from-scratch Y-700 batched on 31 DECEMBER 2019.
Colin Dougherty
Yesterday at 8:44pm
What I'm really afraid of is that my terminal SNP will be determined to be an isolate somewhere downwind genetically from the Clann Chief line but not connected to any other participant - thereby dashing any hopes to provide me with an opportunity to identify with a particular townland, a place with its own special magic which I could visit. There's a 3rd to 5th cousin on Family Finder whose Dougherty antecedent is from Tawny, Kilcar, Donegal. The SNP is slightly downwind from the Clann Chief line. That would be nice to establish. Sorting through the last "Dougherty" group names used in the Donegal records of the period is difficult, however. Making it more difficult is that my emigrant was variously recorded as "Docherty, Dockerty, and Docerty" between 1855-1865 by Anglo-American census takers dealing with someone who, though listed as literate, probably spoke with an accent unintelligible to Anglo-Americans. It was not until 1875 that his widow (John was murdered by a rival tavern owner in Stated Island in 1870 after surviving 3 years a a sergeant in the Union Army) enforced "Dougherty" as the correct surname spelling to be used by U.S. governmental authorities. John's naturalization immediately before enlisting also used "Dougherty" - so it was something they agreed upon. But how to conciliate these surname spellings with the local Kildare Donegal spellings which included Doherty, Dogherty and Dougherty? Clearly, discovery of state of the art terminal SNPS on such a massive scale is going to generate a lot of work by many of us. I'm looking forward to it.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
May 3 @ 11:47am
An infographic produced by Dave Vance that is helpful on describing private, unnamed and shared variants for SNP discovery. This is how the phylogenetic trees are built to break down haplogroup clades into sub clades and so forth...potentially working down into genealogical relevant time frames.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
March 25 @ 10:34am
For all those that had performed a Big Y that later was converted to Big Y 500 (this conversion didn't require running a new test, instead it was simply remapping the already tested data to a new human reference genome) and that have voiced interest in upgrade to Big Y-700 which is a new test and requires a new test to be performed. News at the FTDNA conference this last weekend is that the upgrade from 500 to 700 costs users $179.00 until March 31st (this month). I've only heard it rumored that the upgrade price will move up to $249.00 after this. https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades EDIT 3/28/2019 (On Project Administrator Page from FTDNA) ***Please note:*** The lab prefers fresher samples for the Big Y-700, so if the only sample available is a partial sample in the lab that is more than 2 years old, the lab is having us reach out to those kit managers to see if we are able to obtain fresh sample. We're looking into sample availability at the time of purchase, so if the person ordering the test receives an email about sending new sample, please respond directly to that email to let us know either your mailing address for the new collection kit or if the tester is no longer available and we need to use that partial sample. Things to note: - I don't necessarily recommend this upgrade to previous Big Y-500 users. The advantages of this new test are not the additional and somewhat useless STRs (useless because they are very slow mutating STRs). The clear advantage is the increased coverage of the Y chromosome which is resulting in more SNPs discovered per number of generations. This provides more granularity in breaking potential matches down further. This can be helpful in a group of Big Y testers that formed a clade but suspect they may be more closely related to only a subset of those testers. - This test won't discover new matches. What I mean by this is that if two testers weren't relatively close matches to one another on Big Y-500 they won't all of a sudden be close matches after a Big Y-700. - Average SNP/year on Big Y-500 was 1 SNP for every 131 years in a line. New Big Y-700 with increased coverage is averaging 1 SNP for every 82 years in a line. See the statistical breakdown between the two and other NGS tests here: https://ydna-warehouse.org/statistics.html I'm open to any questions people may have on this. Note that I didn't personally attend the conference but have been keeping up on the information being reported. Zack
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Mark MONROE, #635203
March 26 @ 6:43pm
Zack and Paul, here are some attendee notes from the conference this past weekend in Houston. It gives a lot of answers to questions we have all had. http://www.ancestorcentral.com/14th-international-conference-on-genetic-genealogy-sunday/?preview=true&fbclid=IwAR2qiJ1n3MSwUuc93O4GEvHGU9nrMLm6a0nHqrdF7XOTtVXEEi3n8chnqkk
Zack Daugherty
March 28 @ 12:28pm
This was shared with administrators on the base GAP page. I imagine this applies to you for certain Paul on your upgrade and maybe even mine since my sample in storage is over 2 years old. It may sound inconvenient but from analysis citizen scientists do on the RAW data they are stating that having a new/fresh sample is making significant differences in sequencing the new test. 3/26/19 ***Please note:*** The lab prefers fresher samples for the Big Y-700, so if the only sample available is a partial sample in the lab that is more than 2 years old, the lab is having us reach out to those kit managers to see if we are able to obtain fresh sample. We're looking into sample availability at the time of purchase, so if the person ordering the test receives an email about sending new sample, please respond directly to that email to let us know either your mailing address for the new collection kit or if the tester is no longer available and we need to use that partial sample.
Sidney Reynolds (Dougherty)
April 28 @ 10:08am
Zack, so for my father, would the upgrade be beneficial at this point? Thank you, Brandy
Zack Daugherty
May 3 @ 11:41am
Brandy, Sorry for the delay on getting back, especially since the sale is over on the Big Y upgrade to the new version of the test. I've been bedridden with the flu. But right now I don't think it is worth upgrading for you; not unless a couple others in your Dougherty/Doherty grouping that also have the older Big Y would upgrade so that your father's advanced coverage of the new test would be compared to others that also have the advanced coverage...if that makes sense. I had planed on not upgrading my own; however, one of my closest matches that I formed a new clade with in 2016 did his, as did another match to us both that is sitting one block above us. So since they were going to read more of their Y chromosome (reported to be a 50% increase in the coverage of the Y chromosome over the old test) I elected to upgrade myself. But if it was just me I would simply be sitting there among the others with more novel SNPs and no way of knowing if they share some of those new, uncovered SNPs or not. Eventually this will help with more accurate SNP age estimates for whenever FTDNA does implement that feature.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
April 26 @ 10:28am
For those interested the DNA Day Sale at Family Tree DNA has been extended through April 28 (midnight PST). For those interested in upgrades but are unsure of what further testing please feel free to email me. Email address is to the left of this activity feed. Zack Daugherty Volunteer Administrator
Richard McDevitt
April 26 @ 3:31pm
With the extension, I bit. ;-) I called FTDNA to let them know that Richard died in 2017, so we shall see if there is enough sample left to do Y-700. Ariel, with whom I spoke, made a note to the lab manager. I said I have two more brothers who I could test. She said there would not be a full charge for that. Hmmm. On another note, have we received Y-700 results from other Doherty testers? Have the results changed appreciably? Kay McDevitt Schmid for Richard McDevitt 349237
Zack Daugherty
April 26 @ 4:24pm
Kay, we have only received 2 Big Y 700. They were late completions from the holiday sale, as will Geralds be if it ever finishes. No major changes below BY471 yet but I think we may see a little restructuring after the upgrades finish. Sutton near your branch has also upgraded so with Richard, Gerald and Sutton we should see some better coverage of your branch. I have heard that if the sample is too old and the original tester has passed away that they will let you substitute a different tester at no added cost. This is quite nice considering how expensive a straight from scratch Big Y 700 is.
Dennis Sutton Dennis Sutton
April 11 @ 6:40am
Bob/Zack/Eva. I added the BigY 700 to my DNA arsenal (kit 120515). Unfortunately, there will be some delay in getting results as I had to provide new DNA. I'll let you know when this comes in and hopefully will add to my McDevitt DNA line.
Zack Daugherty
April 11 @ 9:03am
Dennis, I think everyone who elected to do the Y700 upgrade is having kits mailed to them. I received an email yesterday that wasn't too clear with regards to my Y700 upgrade. My sample was only about 2 years old and only had a couple tests performed on the sample. There is still the backup in storage but since they have the first sample open they have elected to renew pretty much all samples. This is somewhat important though because it adds significant delays if the samples they do have on hand fail QC then waiting to mail off for a new sample ends up extending the process in some cases to 8 months or more. Here was the first email: Dear Kit Manager, We are contacting you regarding your recent order of the Big Y on B121647. The Big Y is an extensive test that requires a large amount of sample to process in our laboratory. For any customer that does not have an additional backup sample available in storage, we are mailing out a new collection kit to the address on file, in case the sample we have available is not enough to produce results. Please return this new collection kit as soon as possible. If the original tester is not available to submit another sample, please reply directly to this email and we will inform the lab that no additional sample will be available, and we will work with you on alternative options in the event that there was not enough sample to process. Please be advised that while at the time this email was sent the new sample collection was only just in case a backup was needed, the sample processing in the lab can fail quality control at any stage of processing and at that point this new sample collection would be required in order to produce results. While failures are rare and we hope they do not occur, it is best to send this new collection kit back as soon as possible to prevent any potential delays in receiving your results. If you have any questions, or need to make any changes to your address, please reply directly to this email. Here was the follow-up to my question if they are waiting on the new sample to arrive or not before starting the process: I'm sorry Katy's message was not entirely clear. We are sending you a test kit for kit number B121647 to collect a backup sample for your Big Y upgrade. Right now we are running your test with your previous sample and we have no indication of a problem with that sample, but we wanted to pro-actively get a new sample from you just in case.
Dennis Sutton
April 14 @ 4:27pm
Zack. My DNA kit went back to 2004 when all this DNA was in its infancy. Used it for at least 6 different tests. They suggested the kit was probably degraded to a point where the results could prove unreliable. Sent new kit back so will now wait and see if anything new shows after they complete testing.
Paul Dougherty
April 14 @ 6:27pm
Hi Dennis and Zack, I ordered my upgrade to Big Y-700 on the 25/03/2019 and was notified that I would need to send a fresh sample to ensure that it would pass all tests in the lab and would probably therefor take less time than trying to use my original sample. I spoke to someone at FTDNA help desk and they told me that all upgraders are being asked to provide a new sample. I think the only time they will try to go forward with an old sample for upgrade is if the original tester is unable to provide a sample. Otherwise they won't test with an old sample. You have to ask for it particularly and they don't recommend it. I was worried that my testing would be delayed with postage to and from the United Kingdom and I might be dropped in the queue. My kit arrived on 11/04/19 and I used the kit and sent the samples back the same day by tracked and signed for post which is the best I could send. It needs to be sent as a package rather than an envelope. I have tracked the package which is currently in the United States and hopefully will soon be recieved at FTDNA. During my conversation with the person at the FTDNA helpdesk I asked if it was better to provide a cheek swab or if spit would be better...my thinking being, that maybe a larger sample would be better and maybe last longer. She told me that at FTDNA they use cheek swab and don't require spit, although other DNA testing groups do use spit. The dna kit is delivered well packed and padded and consists of instructions with two snappable testing sticks. The dark line on the swab is the end that snaps off at the end of the small containers with small tops, of which there are two, that seem to contain some liquid. Only one end of the swab is to go into the container and that is the only usable end. Snapping the stick is a bit fiddly as it does give some resistance and the vial is small...so keep a firm grip of everything as you don't want to drop or contaminate your sample. An important thing contained in the kit is a release form for the dna to be used, which must be sent back with the samples. The other thing in the kit is a self addressed envelope to return your kit sample which needs paid postage from the United Kingdom (I'm not sure about US postage). Now comes the long wait. I hope that this is helpful in some way. Like you Dennis, I first had my dna tested in 2004 (43 marker) by an English company called DNA Heritage. FTDNA later bought them out and currently hold my old dna results there.
Shane Davis Shane Davis
March 2 @ 12:19am
Hi Zack... Quick Q. Why am I stuck at the old DF105? I am + or - for BY198 it appears that this is inconclusive and would like to know if FTDNA might be able to revisit the downstream DF105 SNPs. I tried ordering the BY198 SNP test but it says I cannot so i went to YSEQ to do it. Any thoughts? Thank you Shane
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Zack Daugherty
March 7 @ 11:02pm
I didn't know this. I think a lot of heavy lifting can hopefully be done with autosomal testing. If your father is up for it for sure test him at Ancestry at the minimum and transfer the RAW data for free to FTDNA, GEDmatch and MyHeritage. I imagine if you have done any autosomal testing on yourself that you already generate matches up through your father's paternal/maternal lines. The key will be trying to make sense of which matches are which. So you haven't been able to do any genealogy up above your father at all? Your paternal grandfather/grandmother are currently mysteries?
Shane Davis
March 8 @ 9:07pm
HI Zack, I do know the names of my grandparents, gg, ggg, etc but it stops around 1765 and the 1765 is not confirmed... It's only subjective genealogy that I have done online. None are alive and I never met any of them. The information I have stops with my father as he is the eldest patrilineal connection I have alive. However, the information my father was told as to where we came from was/is 100% false. He had no idea we were Irish/proto-Celt. He said that there were "only a couple children in each past generation" He also has no information other than what I have been able to discover on my journey. I will ask him to take the Ancestry autosomal YDNA and transfer to FTDNA.
Shane Davis
March 31 @ 9:35pm
I ran the BY 198 test via YSEQ and here are the results. Could someone interpret this for me please? Thank you BY198 ChrY 15191400 15191400 C-
Zack Daugherty
April 1 @ 4:32pm
It simply means that the mutation or SNP BY198 is a 'T' at position 15191400, and you are negative for it. So you do not have or are not positive for this SNP (which means you have the reference base nucleotide at this position, or do not have a mutation at this position; so you have 'C' at this position).
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
March 26 @ 1:52pm
It appears there were codes for upgrades from various levels. Here those are. Again, these all end March 31.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
March 25 @ 11:09am
*Note: The Big Y discount of $200 only applies to a Big Y ordered from scratch; meaning a Big Y on an account with no prior STR testing having been performed.
Paul Dougherty Paul Dougherty
March 8 @ 11:40am
I can't believe it! They appear to have fixed part of the FTDNA website. I can see my notifications again and I can logout too. They still haven't fixed the BigY matches, it has a constantly turning thing and gives a script error.
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Zack Daugherty
March 11 @ 8:56am
I don’t have any direct access myself. I have used groups@ftdna.com to address issues with administrating projects but that is the only working email I know.
Paul Dougherty
March 19 @ 9:38am
I've been in contact with FTDNA (concerning BigY website failure and people using older systems and browsers, script failures (gateway blocking), advert servers holding up or stopping connection and other website and communication problems) on their webchat and the person that I spoke to said that the FTDNA employee that deals with the aspects that I mentioned was away from work for a few days but that they would contact me by email early this week. I complained about ftdna not having a formal usable email address as opposed to the web form that they use now. I also tried to talk about issues of privacy and security in terms of the danger of external accessibility of third parties to our data and web profiling and advert tailoring associated with our web usage and presence within the context of our usage of FTDNA on the website and wider web.
Paul Dougherty
March 24 @ 1:46pm
FTDNA still haven't contacted me as promised.
Zack Daugherty
March 25 @ 10:24am
Paul, at the their conference this last weekend FTDNA stated that they are unable to fix the 5 SNP Step view for Big Y matches. However, they did switch it to where it simply will show a person all their Big Y matches that are at or under 30 non-matching variants. But this isn't super useful because some of one's "matches" showing here can be somewhat distant such as 2000 years back to a common ancestor in some cases.
Zack Daugherty Zack Daugherty
Admin
March 18 @ 2:20pm
From Will's Ó Dochartaigh website. St. Patrick and the Ó Dochartaighs Happy St. Patrick’s Day! Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Duit! https://www.odochartaighheritage.org/post/st-patrick-and-the-ó-dochartaighs