Doherty Surname Group

Paul, That is strange. Bob Doherty's recent Y700 had a button to "Generate BAM Link" which took a day or less to generate a new BAM download link. I would have assumed it should have done the same for you...however, I can't see this as an administrator since GDPR May 2018 where admins have more limited access to project member's RAW data. Was your interest in the BAM associated with something in particular? I do recommend when you have the opportunity to submit a link to download your VCF to the Y-DNA Data Warehouse so that Alex Williamson can update your data on the Big Tree.

Dennis and Paul, I just got back to civilization. Congrats on being the next set of project members with Y700 completions. Next steps, as Dennis appears to have done, is to submit your VCF file (Big Y RAW data) to the Y-DNA Data Warehouse (https://ydna-warehouse.org/submit.php). If you need help with this let me know. Step after this, which is purely optional, is to have YFull analyze your BAM file which will need to be requested from FTDNA. Since it is a completely new test YFull treats analysis of these BAMs as if they are new tests (which they are). So they unfortunately charge $49 to do this. Again, this is optional; I personally` plan to because I did a Dante Labs Whole Genome Sequence for my father which I had Yfull analyze...so I'd like to use their SNP dating estimates and so forth over there whenever possible.

Paul, Your novel variants went from 2 remaining up to 5. Dennis, Your novel variants went from 5 to a whopping 14. When Alex processes both of you the quality of these new "novel" variants will be easier to determine. Still they should provide for more granular matching as future matches roll in.

Hi Zack, Thanks, I've emailed you.

Mind if I share this information to the O'Dochartaigh Clann Facebook page also? There are quite a few people experienced in genealogy there that don't frequent this activity feed here.

Thank you, very much appreciated.

Nancy have you tried Ireland Reaching Out (www.irelandxo.com). They may be able to help you since you know he was from Balintra, Donegal.

I just checked rootsireland.ie for baptisms of a Patrick (with all variants of the surname) in all counties between 1803-1813. I found 17 entries. The only entry for Donegal was from 1804 for a Church of Ireland birth for a Patrick Dogherty who lived in Tynagh, Drumhome Parish, Donegal. Parents were Patrick Dogherty and Jane Meaghan. Closer to a March 17th birthday was a Patrick Daugherty, a Roman Catholic birth in Kells, Meath, who was baptized on March 22, 1807. Parents were Michael Daugherty and Mary Daugherty. I've had some luck with rootireland.ie in tracing other Irish Catholic and Anglo-Irish ancestors (in some cases back to the late 1700s), but its not perfect and takes effort. Even with effort, traces of some people cannot be found. They weren't important enough to keep track of. It's not like French Canada and France where many people (even unimportant people) can trace ancestors back to the late 1500s. Best of luck.

Will check this out .Thank you I have checked the irelandxo.com out And Colin his Parents were Patrick Dogerty and Jane Meehan.That first Patrick is worth checking into. Thank you .

Glad to be of service, Nancy.

As was explained to me by Pat "Inch" Dougherty, the English imposed standardized spelling of Irish surnames in the mid-1800s (around the famine); and while there are some variations currently in use in Ireland, Doherty is the predominant spelling you will find in Ireland. That being said, there is quite a difference in how Doherty comes out of the mouths of the locals depending on where you are in Ireland. For example, on a visit in 2008, when I landed in Dublin, I called ahead to a B&B I had reservations at near Trim to confirm my arrival. When I gave my name, they said they did not have a reservation under that name. But when I spelled it D-O-H-E-R-T-Y they said" "Oh yes we do have a reservation for you. I guess my San Francisco accent was too much for them. Later, when I was in Derry, I stopped by the B&B I had reservations at and when they asked my name I told them how the previous place did not understand how I pronounced my own name. So they asked me to say it, and when I did, they said that is how they pronounced it, and they informed me that they were Dohertys too - so they should know how it is pronounced. So no matter how you spell it, you'll find out how to pronounce it if you go to the 2020 Reunion. By the way, My Great-Great grandfather's name is spelled Dogherty on his 1838 marriage records but Dougherty on his 1859 tombstone, while his son my Great-grandfather's tombstone in the same cemetery has it spelled Doherty. As Pat "Inch" Dougherty also explained to me, most of the variations in spelling that we see today are from the descendant of the Doherty clan that left Ireland before the English imposed standardized spelling, and in the USA Dougherty appears to be more predominate in the Northern states while Daugherty is more predominant in the Southern states.

I'm thinking that when my great-great grandfather, John, had himself naturalized as a U.S. citizen at the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York before enlisting in the Union Army, he was trying his best to modernize "Dochartaigh" by spelling his name as "Dougherty." He used the "hard" pronunciation, but knew the local Anglo-Americans just didn't get it. Hence, the multiple spellings in census reports. Funny thing about Staten Island that I learned when I started doing research the hard way before the internet: the Richmond County Court didn't start naturalizing Irish Catholics (or any kind of ethnic Catholics or Jews) until the 1890s. Before that, folks had to take the ferry to Manhattan in order to become a U.S. citizen. Tons of prejudice back in those days.

I consider myself to be partially 'diaspora' because I was 'conceived' in Ireland but born in England to two Irish parents. All my family are Irish and I was brought up amongst Irish accents and am comfortable with that. The reason I first got interested in Genealogy and DNA testing was because I felt torn and wanted to claim back my heartfelt 'identity'. My parents were never interested in looking back, only sentimentally so have not been of much help in my quest.

Years ago, I read that the musician, Peter Townshend, had somewhat of a similar experience. His mother was of Irish descent and used to dance, as a small girl, for visiting relatives before the Easter Rising. One of the relatives was Michael Collins (a/k/a the Big Man). Lots of Irish buried in the English and Scottish populations (e.g., Sean Connery, various cousins of mine, etc.). It was funny when British rock music hit America. The Irish Catholic nuns who taught me as a child let it be known that they were fond of the Beatles. They viewed them as cousins whose ancestors never took the additional step of getting on a coffin ship to Quebec, Boston, New York or Philadelphia. By contrast, these same Irish Catholic nuns had nothing but bad things to say about the Rolling Stones. Basically, because they were English and played at being bad boys. One of my great-grandmothers, Honorah Hughes, was born in Blackburn, Lancashire, the place which Lennon sang had 4,000 holes in a Day in the Life. Her family worked in the woolen mills there before emigrating en masse to Carteret, New Jersey to go back to farming - the thing they loved best and missed most about Mayo. Not one story of those hard, hard times survives. Too painful to remember. PTSD must have been rampant among the affected populations.