Ó CRUIMÍN—O Cromyne, Crimin, Crimine , Crimeen, Crimmeen, Cremeen , Cremen, Crimmins, Cremeans, Cromeans , Creameans, Carmeans, , Carmain ,Lucas
Other names relevant to deep ancestry - Kirby ,Kerwick ,Kerwikan ,Irwin , Erwin,Ervin
'Descendants of Cruimín' (diminutive of crom, bent); the name of a well-known family in Cork, Kerry and Limerick; of West Cork origin.
'The families of Croimin or O Cromyne are an ancient Cork family and were what we might describe as a church family in charge of Aghabullogue parish. Under ancient Irish Church Law which was in operation for many hundreds of years before the Anglo-Irish invasion of Ireland in the late 12th century and continued until the Reformation in the 16th century, certain families were exempted from paying tribute to their chiefs on their maintaining the local church and its clergy.
These families were called 'aircheannaig' (anglicized 'eireannachs').
The family of O Cromyne provided many priests to the church at Aghabullogue before the Reformation. The family is still numberous in mid-Cork generally under the name Cremin but many variants occur. They were Freeholder's of their land it was held by the Bishop of Cork, McCarthy was prevented from using his usual tactics.They were Chieftains of their Tuath, By 1655 when the Survey was made of the property of McCarthy of Muskerry we learn that all the clans under his control had given up their rights.
This family owned two castles one at Ballinascarthy and the other near Enniskeane. The remains of both are still to be seen. 1641 Lands and residences forfeited, One member of the family was hanged in Cork in 1650 by the Cromwellian forces and at the Cromwellian plantations
According to Edward MacLysaght’s - More Irish Families (1960), p. 72, the name Cremin (Ó Cruimín in Irish) is exclusively a west Munster surname.
There are few sources for genealogical research in Cork in the 1600s.
1500-1650, The Pipe Rolls of Cloyne, Journal of the Cork Historical and Archaeological Society, 1918, NLI Ir 794105 c 1
1641, The Book of Survey and Distribution, NLI MS 966-7
1641, Survey of houses in Corkcity, listing tenants and possessions, National Archives of Ireland, Quit Rent Office Papers
1654, Civil Survey, Vol, VI, NLI Ir 9141 C 12
1659, Pender’s Census. IMS. NLI Ir 94106 c 27
1662-1667,Subsidy Rolls, extracts for Condons and Clangibbons baronies, National Archivesof Ireland, M. 4968 and M. 2636.
Cremin family. Houlihan and Cremin families of Cork and Kerry 1600-1900. Volume 5, p. 532-533 (see links tab)
John Crimine ,Dorchester,Marland-Aghbollgue,Cork Ireland 1650-1713 His Memorial Bearing is registered at http://usheraldicregistry.com/index.php?n=Registrations.20150604A
Clan Cremin Homepage is : http://www.clancremin.org/
O'Croymne of Aghbollg(u)e Parish Cork, Ireland -1459-1641
1450- Donald (Donal) O'Cromyne , Vicar of Aghbollgu/e, Parish
1484- see above also mentioned again as Vicar Of Aghbollg/u/e
1550-Henry O'Cromyne (1550 Chancery Records),Ireland,203
1577-Cornelius O'Cromyne (Pardon,303)(5560)
1577-Shane O'Cromyne of Balleycromyn (Elizabeth's I, Faints)
1579-John O'Cromyne ,Vicar GarryCloyne (Brady's Clerical records, Parochial records , Vol II) (1663 Cormac McDongh Carty, Improperitor)
1590-Rich Comyne (Unkown relationship)
1601-Thomas O'Cromyne, Vicar Aghbollgu/e/
1601- John O'Cromyne, Chief of Sept ,Chief of his name
Johannes O'Cromyne (death 2nd April 1625,Old Castle)
Conghor O'Cromyne (death 1625)
Donell O'Cromyne (death April 1631) Brandons Bridge, Old Castle
If you areunable to consult these sources yourself http://www.nli.ie/en/commission-research.aspx.This group is researching Cremeen surname and variants (there of) to find its common founding ancestry . Through the use of YDNA genetic genealogy.
If you have documented evidence of traceable family lineage from the area's of Muskerry,Cork Ireland and the areas of Glantane, Boola, Bweg, Kilashanig, Duhallow and Kilnagross and St.Micheal's, Barbados Caribbean Islands another similar project is : https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irish-caribbean-y/about , And you stem from a Cremeen/Cremeans, Cromeans, Creameans, Carmeans/Gradeless,and variants please join our project.
We welcome your participation in our research of the Cremeen/variant Sept. (AMERICAN variants) up most important as there is many variants in existence today.
they do have a single link to one founding ancestor ,Dating to John Crimin/Crimeen born 1653 died 1713 He was from Kilnagross,Cork Ireland and Dorchester,Maryland October 1677.
If you want to submit a pedigree please submit to our family researcher: Janicot1@yahoo.com
Any additional information or questions please forward your email to raocruimin@gmailcom
Cremeans lineage is quite an ancient Hapo type This family falls within (Irish Type II haplotype), and is clearly identifiable by the
allele values of 10 at DYS 439 in combination with 10 at GATA H4
The surname having undergone several traceable mutations to arrive at Cre(a)means and even Cummings
P305,M42, M168,P143, M89,M578, P128,M256, M45, M207, P231, M343,M269, L278, P310,P312,L21
With its final progenator as and thru ISOG , classified as R1b1a1a1a151 , South Irish Type ll - R-L21 > DF13 > FGC 11134>S1136/CTS4466 > S1137/CTS 5714> Z16247>A541 > A88
YSEQ branching : CTS 4466> A541 > A195 > A761 > A88
Today, members of this lineage are widely distributed across Europe and West Asia. They reach their highest frequency Ireland where they and descendant branches contribute to between 35 and 38 percent of the male population. This line is 6 to 7 percent of male lineages in France. It is between 1 and 2 percent of male lineages in Germany. It is 2 to 4 percent of male lineages in Portugal and Spain. It is about 2 percent of the male population in the Croatia
References of analysis:
The chart at ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogy) compares the various options available for extensive Y-DNA SNP testing:http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart .
Other related projects that would be an interest to testers:
The R1b-CTS4466 Plus project- https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/ Is studying the Irish type 2 Halpotype and anyone matching this haplotype, would benefit in joining this project. They have a forum at -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-CTS4466-Plus/info.
Related forum: TMRCA Case Study - you are welcome to join and ask questions, Also see related projects: FTDNA R-L21 4466 South Irish
For Caribbean research of possible Cremeen relatives please visit : 1. http://coraweb.com.au/ireland.htm, 2, http://www.icara.ie/