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- link to homepage for Paul Caverly
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/v/Paul-R-Caverly/index.html?Welcome=1082237597
- DEC. 2004, results for Robert Dwayne Caverly my half 1st cousin show an exact match for 12 marker test. This now provides a stronger reference for my branch to compare others with.
- MARCH 2005, results for Terrance Edward Caverly (Quebec branch of Caverlys) show an exact match for 12 marker test. Therefore there is a 90% probability we are no more then 23 generations apart and definitely related.
- APRIL 2005, results for Lendall Caverly of New Hampshire do not match the other Caverlys in the project. We should search for another volunteer from the New Hampshire Caverlys so we can confirm these results. Initially this means the branches are not related.
- MAY 2005 Glenn Caverly DNA kit sent in.
- MAY 7/2005 Kit requested for Richard Caverly.
- JUNE 14/2005 results Glenn Caverly show an exact match for 12 marker test. Therefore there is a 90% probability we are no more then 23 generations apart and definitely related.
- We now have matches between Paul Caverly, Robert Caverly, Terry Caverly and Glenn Caverly. Paul and Robert are in the Amos Caverly and Laney Loyd line, which has been traced back to 1780 in Ontario.
Terry is from the Quebec line of Caverlys, which has been traced back to 1769 in Quebec.
Glenn is also from an Ontario line, which has been traced back to 1694 in New York State.
- JULY 4/2005 Test results for Richard Caverly match those of Len Caverly both from the NH line. These results do not match the other Caverly lines.
- OCT. 7, 2005 Eugene Caverly of Georgia has joined the project. Gene is from the Irish line of Caverlys and as traced his branch back to James Caverly born in Ireland about 1817.
- Andrew Caverly of Michigan is willing to join but, as a student has limited funds. The Caverly Project is looking for more people to contribute to the General Fund so we can order a kit for Andrew.
- OCT. 30, 2005 - We have requested an update on Richard Caverly's markers from 12 to 25. This will allow a closer comparison to the other Caverly results and also to other possible Y-DNA matches.
An interesting fact is when we look at the results for the 12 marker tests for the New Hampshire Caverlys there are a number of matches for other surnames outside our project. Three are from the USA, four from Ireland, one from Scotland and 5 unknown origins.
- NOV. 11/05 - A 12 marker test kit has been mailed out to Andrew Caverley. He is part of the Irish Caverly branch.
- NOV. 15/05 - Results are back for Eugene Caverly. Not an exact match and results fit in between the Canadian Caverlys and the New Hampshire Caverlys.
- NOV. 30/05 – Results for Richard Caverly’s 25-marker test found a few more people with different surnames with close matches. Unfortunately these people are having similar problems as we are in that they have not been able to trace their family tree outside of North America. Now the results are available it is a waiting game to see if anything new is found. Many people have the DNA tests are only doing the 12 marker test so it is sometimes difficult to do a good comparison.
- JAN. 19/06 - Results for Andrew Caverley are in. Andrew has Irish roots. I am always surprised when looking at new results and of course trying to learn more as I go along. When I compare Andrew's results to the other Caverly results we have to date this is what I found.
Andrew vs’s Eugene (also Irish descent) - 10 out of 12 markers match.
Andrew vs’s Canadian Caverlys – 6 out of 12 match.
Andrew vs’s New Hampshire Caverlys – 8 out of 12 match.
In doing a ysearch for Andrew I found 15 other people with different surnames that matched 11 out 12 markers. Five of these people have Scottish origins. Hopefully more information will become available as the concept of using DNA with Genealogy becomes more popular.
- FEB. 2006 - DNA Genealogy recently received recent publicity from the National Genealogy Society, which supports the use of DNA testing and recommends its use by Professional Genealogists where it may help support on going family research. The article appears in the National Genealogy Society Quarterly Vol 93, No. 4, Dec. 2005. One interesting comment from the article: “Perhaps 98% of the human genome appear meaningless. Genealogical tests focus on these regions of junk DNA, and thus they cannot reveal personal traits or medical conditions.” Again this supports the concept tests conducted for genealogy use cannot be used for any other purpose.
- APRIL 2006 - As I mentioned yesterday there is a site to compare DNA to those in the UK. Unfortunately there are only a few results posted for any given area. See www.britishislesdna.com
For Yorkshire there is 9 results posted. Since some of the CAVERLY DNA test results cover only up to 12 markers it is difficult to do an analysis but it is the only information we have at this time.
If we take the smallest number of markers (12) CAVERLYS matches as follows:
Irish descent – 10/12
New Hampshire line – 6/12 and 16/25
Canadian line – 9/12 and 22/25
I looked at results for Ireland (County Cork) and there were only 2 results posted, matches as follows:
Irish descent – 8/12 and 9/12
New Hampshire line – 7/12 and 17/25
Canadian line – 9/12 and 19/25
Conclusions: There are not enough results to do a good comparison. All CAVERLYS tested to date have the same Haplogroup – R1b. This indicates we are all likely to have European origins.
The Yorkshire results showed 4 out of 9 with R1b. This indicates there is a mix of Europeans. The Ireland (County Cork) are both R1b. Comparing Haplogroups and markers gives you a couple of indicators or possible genetic relationships.
I am not a genetics expert but I conclude there is good evidence to support the possibility the Canadian CAVERLYS have genetic connections to Yorkshire and possibly the New Hampshire CAVERLYS do not. This conclusion is different them most of us have found through genealogy research. There are not a lot of results to compare with and I cannot determine where the New Hampshire CAVERLYS have the best match.
The Irish CAVERLYS also have a better match to Yorkshire and County Cork then do the New Hampshire CAVERLYS.
All of this comparison could change as more results are posted for different UK counties.
- MAY 2006 - results back for David Caverly. His results show he is a match for the New Hampshire Caverly line as expected. There are now 3 sets of results for the New Hampshire branch that form a good base for this branch. Richard Caverly has up to 25 markers tested for the NH line.
- JUNE 2006 - Paul Caverly's results for testing of 67 markers has been posted.
- AUGUST 2006 - More reference is being added regarding the "Guild of One Name Studies" CAVERLY surname project. The Guild is UK based and we hope to attract interest in that county to determine if we can find any genetic matches.
- APRIL 2007 - Robert (Bob) Caverly has joined the project. Bob is part of Jefferson Caverly's line that we know goes back to New York State.
- MAY 2007 - Daniel Cavalier, who already had his DNA results, joined our project to compare his results to the others on our site. Unfortunately results indicated he has no similarities to any of the other DNA results we have on our site. It was worth a try and I would like to thank Daniel for the opportunity to see his results.
- JUNE 2007 - Brian Calverley joined the project. Results expected in about one month.
- Recently the “Guild of One Name Studies” sent out a survey to members asking if they were involved with any DNA studies. As a member of the Guild I have a web page on their site with the following surnames noted:
Although I started of with just two variants, Caverly and Caverley, at the beginning of my research I suspected there were many more possible connections.
Other variants such as: Other variants such as: Calverley, Coverly, Coverley, Caberly, Cavalier, Cavallier, Cabley and possible others need to be considered.
The survey results were prepared under the guidance of Chris Pomery author of “DNA and Family History”. The survey is mainly a statistical summary but there are a few items were noting. The survey also looked at each name in the survey comparing it to the 1881 UK census found in Steve Archer’s Surname Atlas. The surname CAVERLEY does is prominent in the 1881 census so the CAVERLY DNA Project did get some recognition and the surname mentioned in the survey results. Surname projects replying to the survey have be identified in the report. I am encourage that this time of publicity will hopefully draw more attention to our on going CAVERLY genealogy research and possibly draw the attention of others to make contact.
I encourage all of you to make others that are possibly related aware of some of our on going projects. You can direct them to the following sites or print out the information to distribute to others:
http://www.one-name.org/profiles/caverly.html
or www.one-name.org and search for the name Caverly
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Caverly%20Family%20DNA%20Project/
or www.FamilyTreeDNA.com and search for the name Caverly.
As always you can contact me for questions.
- JULY 2007
Results for Allen Glenn Caverly are now in taking him to a 25 marker test. Comparing Glenn Caverly to Paul Caverly we match 24 out of 25 markers. This continues to be strong evidence of a genetic connection between our branches.
Robert Edward Caverly has joined our family project. Results for Robert and Brian Calverley are expected soon.
We have the DNA results for Brian Calverley. Brian does not come close to genetically matching our Caverly DNA. In fact, Brian has a completely different Haplogroup. All Caverlys including New Hampshire and Irish Caverlys show a Haplogroup of R1b1. Brian Calverley and Daniel Cavalier are showing Haplogroup E3b1 although Brian & Daniel do not seem to me genetically related to each other due to the number of non matching markers.
**Preliminary results do not look promising in proving the surnames CAVERLY, CALVERLEY and CAVALIER are genetically connected although it is too early to reach any kind of conclusion. We need more individuals with CALVERLEY and CAVALIER surnames to join the project to try and draw any kind of conclusion.
- AUGUST 2007
Results are back for Robert Edward Caverly of Winnipeg. Robert matches the Canadian Caverlys and I have added his results to that sub-group.
- AUGUST 2007
Andrew J. Caverly of Penn. joined the project and his 12 marker test results came back showing a match with Eugene of GA. Andy’s ancestors are Irish Caverlys which is the same as for Eugene. Hopefully they can compare notes and possibly find some common ancestors to help expand their family trees.
- OCT. 2007
In the book, Unlocking Your Genetic History by Thomas Shawker, M.D., on page 210 he breaks down some of the hapogroup frequency. (hapogroup - is the big picture in DNA identifying world historic DNA regions and migrations). There are a number of common Hapogroups found throughout Europe. The info I was reading mentions the British Ilse.
In our Caverly DNA Project almost all results show a Hapogroup - R1b.
Results for British Ilse showing percentage of R1b are:
Scotland - 53%
England - 62%
Ireland divided into 4 quadrants ( Connaught, Ulster, Munster, Leinster) - Connaught 98%, Ulster 81%, Munster 94%, Leinster 73%.
Recent upgrades show some interesting results. We have updated Terry and Glen Allan to 25 markers (intermediate test)
Comparing Paul, Terry and Glen we find Paul and Glen match 24 out of 25 markers, Terry & Glen match 23 out of 25 markers, Paul & Terry match 22 out of 25 markers. The markers that were different were all fast moving markers. A ‘rule-of-thumb’ says if you are out by one marker you are related, two markers probably related, three markers probably not related. Remember this is just a general rule. The results would lead me to the conclusion all three are related but since Paul and Terry are 3 markers apart this could mean the number of generations spread to a common ancestor is greater than say those of Paul and Glen who are one marker apart. A 24 out of 24 marker result can indicate a 50% probability of a common ancestor within 7 genearions or 90% probability of a common ancestor within 16 generations.
- NOV. 2007
I requested an upgrade on Robert Dwayne Caverlys DNA. I took him up to 37 markers. Dwayne and I are cousins and my great grandfather is his grandfather. Since we are the same age this has always been interesting in itself. Of course Dwayne’s first 12 marker test matched my results which are to be expected.
When you test more then 12 markers things can get more interesting. Much earlier on we took Glenn and Terry’s tests up to 25 markers. When we compared results between Glen, Terry and myself there was a least one marker difference which would seem acceptable. Refreshing your memories, Terry’s line is from the Quebec Caverlys, Glenn the New York branch and of course my branch is stalled in Ontario which is also Dwayne’s branch. We can take Terry’s line back 7 generations, mine 6 and Glenn’ possibly 10. We have never found any family connections between our 3 branches but DNA indicates a genetic connection.
So now when we bring Dwayne into the formula and the results appear strange to me. Dwayne and I have 2 markers slightly different even though we have a common ancestry 2 to 3 generations back. Dwayne has only one marker different than Glenn and Terry but both are different marker IDs. It is confusing but maybe this table will help showing the markers in question.
449458459b
Terry321710
Glenn31179
Dwayne311710
Paul31189
Markers 449 and 458 are described as fast moving markers so they can change after a few generations. Marker 459b is debated as both slow and fast.
What I would have expected is that Dwayne would have the same different markers from Terry and Glenn as I do since we know we are related and in the same family tree. I do see Terry separated by 2 to 3 markers from Glenn, Dwayne and myself which basically tells me our family connection is more generations removed than those of Glenn, Dwayne and I.
- NOV. 2007
CAVERLY DNA HYPOTHIS
Reviewing the recent Caverly DNA Project has me looking at possible synopsis to try and make the information constructive in our genealogy.
Purpose: Predicting how many generations back Dwayne and Allan could have a common ancestor. I have targeted a range of 50% probability as a goal.
I have come to an initial conclusion that it is possibly my DNA that mutated more then Dwayne’s because I am one more generation away from Amos Mills Caverly then Dwayne.
DNA labs use mathematic formulas to predict possible relationships which are all based on averages. Dwayne and I are separated by 6 generation steps. Dwayne is 3 generations from our common ancestor George Henry Caverly and I am 4 generations away. Of course we have no idea how may generations we are away from Allan Glenn Caverly or the possible common ancestor who may link us all together.
Looking at tables provided by FTDNA may help understanding the process and getting us another step closer to finding a theoretical family link.
The more DNA markers tested the better data results.
Comparing Dwayne and Paul:
1. Using 25 markers – statistically there is a 9% chance we have a common ancestor 4 generations ago. True is we know we had a common ancestor 4 generations ago. (George H, George W. Ralph T, Paul R., the most number of generations is on my side showing I am the 4th generation away from the common ancestor between the two of us.)
2. Using 37 markers – statistically there is a 32% chance we have a common ancestor 4 generations ago.
Comparing Dwayne and Terry or Allan G.:
1. Using 25 markers - statistically there is a 26% chance they have a common ancestor 4 generations ago. This formula continues all the way to 97% but at the half way point of 48 & 55% the chance indicates they have a common ancestor 7 or 8 generations ago.
Right now we only have 25 markers tested for Allan G. and Terry.
So how can we use this information to focus on Dwayne’s branch? Dwayne’s oldest know ancestor is Amos Mills Caverly and he is 5 generations away. This would mean Dwayne and Allan cannot have a common ancestor closer then 5 generations. Let’s look at the possible statistics between Dwayne and Allan starting at 6 generations which is the minimum starting point based on our genealogy research.
Number of generationsPercentage Probability of a common ancestor
6 generations42%
10 generations67%
14 generations83%
18 generations91%
22 generations96%
With Allan Glenn Caverly (who can be found in Joseph Caverly & Rachel’s line, he is the 7th generation (49 percent probability of being related to Dwayne this many generations back). If we take Allan’s line back to Peter Caverly (1694-1747) & Jane this is 8 generations (57% probability of being related to Dwayne).
Conclusion: The Amos Mills Caverly branch has a 57% probability of being related to Allan Glenn Caverly’s branch when taken back 8 generations to Peter Caverly & Jane. We could be looking at either the children of Peter Caverly or h his siblings as the possible common ancestor.
Testing 37 markers for Allan and Terry could provide more reliable statistics for proving this relationship.
- MAR. 2008
Results for upgrading Richard Caverly to 37 markers have been received. Checking ysearch it was noted some of the previously close matches at 25 markers could be too distant when checking 37 markers to be of value in genealogy research. Chances are the closest common ancestor would be back in the UK or Ireland. It is now a waiting gave to see if any results show up for new DNA tests.
- APRIL 2008
Andrew V. Caverley joined our project and his results should be available in May. Andrew is an Irish Caverley.
- MAY 2008
We have the results back for Andrew V. Caverley and although it is for only a 12 marker test he appears to fit into the Irish Caverly group. His results actually match up with Andrew S. Caverley who joined some time ago. Andrew V. Caverly did provide some family history and approx. date for when he arrived in the USA while Andrew S. Caverly goes back a number of generations in Michigan but we also know he has Irish ancestors. These two Andrews do not appear to know each other and the number of markers tested would need to be increased to determine just how closely related they really are.
- DEC. 2008
Tests added for Ron McInnes. Ron is from my paternal grandmother line. My great-grandfather was Thomas McInnes who arrived sometime in the mid eighteen hundreds possibly from Scotland. By having DNA from this family tree I am hoping to possibly find some Scottish links.
- JULY 2009
Activity with upgrades of some of the DNA donor data taking advantage of recent special sale prices. Eugene Caverly (Irish group) upgrade to 67 markers. Daniel Cavalier updated a number of his tests but although in our project he is not genetically connected to other Caverlys.
We received an unexpected request for help from Mark Psaila living in Australia. Mark believes his father is a Caverly. Preliminary tests have proven negative. I mention this to show that the Caverly DNA Project can also be used to help others determine relationships. Even with a negative result it can help someone with their genealogy research by showing them they are not related and therefore they need to search in another direction.
- JAN. 2010
An interesting summary article on DNA. When you read it you can think about our results so far:
All the CAVERLY trees (New Hampshire, New York, Irish) are Haplogroup R1b1b2 for the yDNA.
There was also one CAVE surname linked to our page and he has the same Haplogroup.
We have one each of the surnames CALVERLEY and CAVALIER and they belong to the E1b Haplogroup. (This Haplogroup appears to have a more direct route from Africa then the Middle East if you look back 10,000 to 20,000 years.)
I do not have much in the way of mtDNA other than for my wife and for myself. Interesting they are both different, one is Haplogroup J the other Haplogroup V. (J is also from the Middle East and V Western Mediterranean region.) Note: if anyone is interested in doing a mtDNA test or has existing results please let me know.
You should also remember that if you go back far enough in time we all originate from one Haplogroup out of Africa. Over long periods of time mutations in DNA become more prominent in some groups that cause scientists to expand the groups and create new Haplogroups due to large data base. Science loves finding remote groups to support their finds. Some of these are from the bush men of Africa, Australia and remote Pacific Islands. These remote cultures often did mingle with other Haplogroups and the number of mutations was much less.
European males descend from Mideast farmers: study
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 | 2:46 PM ET
CBC News
Most men in Europe are descendants of the first farmers who migrated from the Middle East 10,000 years ago, say researchers examining the lineage of the Y chromosome.
The researchers say their work also supports the idea that farmers spread agriculture by migrating from the Fertile Crescent into hunter-gatherer populations in Europe.
Researchers at the University of Leicester in England examined the frequency of a certain common lineage of the Y chromosome, called haplogroup R1b1b2, carried by about 110 million European men.
The Y chromosome, responsible for creating males, is passed from fathers to their sons. Men carry one X chromosome and one Y; women have two Xs.
The researchers used databases of DNA gathered from men all over Europe, from Ireland to Turkey, and determined how frequently the lineage occurred in different parts of the Continent.
"We looked at how the lineage is distributed, how diverse it is in different parts of Europe, and how old it is," said Mark Jobling, who led the research.
They found that the lineage is least common in the Middle East and most common in northwest Europe.
"It follows a gradient from southeast to northwest, reaching almost 100 per cent frequency in Ireland," said Jobling, in a statement.
The scientists said their result suggests that the lineage spread along with farming from the Middle East into Europe.
A competing theory for the origin of agriculture in Europe suggests that the knowledge and technologies of farming spread from farmers in the Mideast into hunter-gatherer populations.
Patricia Balaresque, a co-author of the study, said their result suggests that more than 80 per cent of European Y chromosomes descend from Mideast farmers.
Balaresque said other research on mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mothers to their children, suggest that most maternal lineages in Europe seem to come from hunter-gatherers.
"To us, this suggests a reproductive advantage for farming males over indigenous hunter-gatherer males during the switch from hunting and gathering, to farming — maybe, back then, it was just sexier to be a farmer," said Balaresque.
- MAY 2010
Twelve marker DNA tests for Ronald Calverley show he only matches 4 out of 12 with other Caverly results in our project. This would lead me to believe there is no genetic connection between the Calverley and Caverly surnames. Ronald Calverley lives in Surrey, England, is 90 years old and has spent many years tracing in family tree back to the original Calverley of Leeds who originated with John the Scot. Interesting enough Brian Calverley, who lives in Ontario and is also in our DNA project, only matches Ronald Calverley 6 out of 12 markers. Unfortunately Brian Calverley does not have any history regarding his family tree but it appears he is not directly connected to Ronald Calverley’s tree and the original Calverley surname. There is always the possibility there are several non related genetic Calverley branches and one day this may be proven.
-JUNE 2010
Subject: Surnames Cave and Case in Caverly DNA Project
As you can see from the recent DNA tests at the Caverly DNA Project there are too many marker differences for either Cave or Case to be related to Caverly.
I also see where the mark distance is 10 when you look at the 37 markers between Case and Cave so there is not relationship between these two surnames.
The only thing that shows a similarity is the Haplogroup which shows all of the groups were basically from Europe, which I suspect is not a surprise.
Good luck in your quests.
-Sept 2010
Deep Clade R upgrade ordered for Paul R. Caverly.
- JAN. 2011
The Guild-of-One Name Studies, Jan-Mar 2011, issue of theirmagazine ‘Journal’ included an article about theCaverly/Caverley/Calverley/Cavalier Project. The reference was made in an article by Susan C. Meates titled, ‘Discoveries’, which introduces the use of in surname studies.
- JULY 2011
There is now data for Paul Caverly under the Family Findertest program. Some matches came up but follow-ups did not reveal any newinformation. Family Find can show matches with both your yDNA & mtDNAcombined that may reveal distant cousins from the paternal or maternal lines.
A few matches have come up with some other individuals inout project but none of these appear to be able to actually make a familyconnection. Interesting to note that even when 12 and 25 marker tests showclose matches, if tests are for 37 markers or more those close matches nowstart to distance themselves with fewer matches. As an example Richard shows 24out of 25 marker matches with some people but with more markers he only shows33 out of 37 marker matches with the same person an fewer marker matches withothers. It has now been suggested by some the minimum number of markers youshould test is 37 to find possible connections. A lower number of marker testscan still help with preliminary testing to confirm or deny possible geneticconnections. The issue with more markers remains the cost involved.
- Sept. 2011
More matches keep showing for Richard Caverly since we did upgrade the number of markers tested to 37 for him a while ago. Even though some of his direct cousins are in the project most of the matches coming through are pointed at Richard since he has had more markers tested then the others. It is also interesting to note FamilyTreeDNA has connected his DNA to the historic figure,Niall of the Nine Hostages. As I previously mentioned the DNA results for New Hampshire Caverlys has a close resemblance to some of the Irish Caverly DNA. Somewhere is history there was a connection even though New Hampshire Caverly history shows their origin back to England. The more we look at our histories the more we are noticing the strong connection to Ireland. I suspect our ancient ancestors were moving back and forth between England and Ireland.
We are upgrading Ronald Calverley to 37 markers to see if any new matches show and possibly show more Haplotree results.
- Nov. 2011
I’m reading, Surnames, DNA & family History by George Redmonds/Turi King/David Key, published 2011. One section started me thinking, again, about the Caverly surname and origin of the spelling. The book discusses surname origins:
- Average date of 1066 when surnames 1st introduced
- By 1500 most surnames were established
- UK Parish records started in 1558
Calculating generations using 35 years as the average between each, then going back to 1311 would be 700 years and divided by 35 would equal 20 generations (this is just an average and will vary on some families).
My Files
New Hampshire Caverlys – based on their genealogy and Boody book.
- Wm Caverly 1648-1732
- 363 years would equal abt. 10.33 generations
New York Caverlys – based on census, land and church records (older dates have different spellings)
- Peter Caverly 1694-1747
- 317 years would equal abt 9.05 generations
Irish Caverlys
- Michael Caverly abt 1797
- 214 years would equal abt. 6.11 generations
UK – Ancestry.co.uk
- An Caverly bapt 1562, Middlesex (actual parish reg. online)
- Edmonde Caverley – 1562, London
- Brian Caverly bapt. 1570 (actual parish reg. online)
(Note – there had to be at least one additional generation for the Parish Records to have these names noted.)
- 449 years would equal abt. 12.82 generations
First we must note the haplogroup for each of our Caverly trees. This tells us all those in the same haplogroup have similar origins going back past the sue of surnames. All of those tested so far, NH, NY and Irish Caverlys have haplogroup R1b1
– We can only work with the data we have. The best representatives then are Gene (Irish). Paul (NY), Richard (NH). In the past I indicated we do not seem to be related even though the surname is spelled the same for all of us. I think I should correct this to indicate we are not related as far back as we can each trace to our common ancestors. There is still a possibility we are all related but it would go beyond the genealogy information we have today.
Genetic distances – Gene and Richard 17 generations, Richard and Paul 20 generations, Gene and Paul 32 generations
What does this mean in years?
17 generations would equal abt. 595 years taking us to abt 1416
20 generations would equal abt. 700 years taking us to abt 1311
32 generations would equal abt 1120 years taking us to abt 891.
Preliminary Conclusions
It would be interesting to find a male Caverly in the UK or Ireland that could possibly take his ancestry back at least to the 1500s but there may not be any one alive today who fits into this category.
There is still an even chance all the Caverlys are related but the common ancestor is before any genealogy documents we have and possibly before the surname was created.
We still do not have enough Calverley surname data that would help to indicate a possible connection between the surnames although what we have so far shows not genetic relationship between the surnames.
Pleases send me any of your comments or questions.
- Feb. 2012
Order upgrades from 25 to 37 markers for Allan and Glenn. Trying to determine why results are slightly different for Allen and Terry verses Dwayne and Paul.
- March 2012
Upgraded DNA results are back for Terrance Edward Caverly. Close matches to Paul Ralph Caverly and Dwayne Robert Caverly are not a surprise but new names came up as well, Audum Trey Holland-Goon and James Russell Ayres. I have seen the name Ayres (60 out of 67 match for Paul Caverly) before with other matches but Holland-Goon is new. I cannot find Holland-Goon at ysearch so I will email him for more info. These new surnames are not close matches so it is unlikely anything new can be learned, they may be distantly related going back a 1000 years or more.
Updated results for Glenn Allan Caverly are expected next month (April).
- - Nov. 2012
Additional testing and members.
Additional tests order for Paul Caverly:Upgrade to 111 markers, Haplogroup SNPS L165 and L176.2
The Haplogroup SNPs allow us to try andrefine down the Haplogroup which may led to determining an actual specificgeographic area those with the same SNPs originated from. This also depends onthe number of matches. As we dig deeper into the Haplogroup we find fewerpeople have taken specific tests. Testing now will make these results availablefor the future.
New Member, Karen Adamcik, to test mtDNA andFamilyFinder. Her mother is Marjorie Caverly and they are part of the RedfordH. Caverly line which goes back to Philip Caverly and Maria Clarke. Karen wouldbe a 6th cousin to Paul Caverly. The objective is to see ifFamilyFinder shows any cousin connections.
- - Mar. 2013
Karen Adamcik joined the project with mtDNAand FamilyFinder tests. Karen is a descendant from the New York Caverlys.Testing for FamilyFinder is to try to see how well this test works in determining cousins. So far only Paul Caverly and Karen Adamcik have results for this test in our project. Comparisons between Paul & Karen have been negative so far which could indicate no genetic relationship or the number of generations to the closest known ancestor is to0 great to show any relationship. There are many aspects to be explored with FamilyFinder so this is still being looked at.
Last month a test upgrade for Mark Psaila was submitted. This is a special project by the administrator Paul Caverly and is not connected directly to the Caverly DNA Project. Initially this was trying to determine if Mark was genetically related to Caverlys but he is not.
David Calverley joined the project. There are now three Calverley members in the project. So far no genetic connection has been shown between Caverly and Calverley.
There have been upgrade requests from member William Cave but these do not appear to have any relationship to our CaverlyDNA project.
In 2012 there were also some upgrades tomember connected to Paul Caverly’s genealogy but not directly related to theCaverly project.
-April 2013
We now have two more yDNA members with the CALVERLEY surname. Both new members have taken advantage of the sale price andline in England. Comparing these results to others should provide more insight into the surname distribution. Total Calverley members are now 4.
Ron Calverley donated $100 to our Caverly DNA Project. I have marked this money to be used for any Calverley DNA testing. Ron is theexpert on the Calverley surname researching the name for over 30 years. Thanks Ron.
Paul Caverly is doing a DNA test at 23andme. This lab provides a few different types of results including a health history profile.Paul decided to try this lab after reading many articles over the years and watching the prices drop from $800 down to $99. When you order the test youthen go on line to complete several surveys, some about medications, health history, habits and some physiological testing. One test involved looking at a series of about 50 sets of eyes and indicating what you perceive in how they look based on 4 choices.
- MAY 2013
All results are in for Calverley members who joined the project. We now have 4 Calverley members in the project. To date there is no indication of a genetic connection between those with the Calverley surname and the Caverly surname. This does not mean the Caverly name did not originate from Calverley since that name has been used for about 1000 years and there are/were many place names using Calverley. Even today there are parks in Yorkshire with the Calverley and there is a parish named Calverley. Therefore,it is possible those originating with the Caverly surname were somehow connected to the region. What we can conclude so far is those with the Caverly surname do not appear to be genetically related in any way to those with the Calverley surname.
- OCT. 2013
Since the project is an open project another CAVALIER member joined our project, we now have two but no indication of DNA genetic links between the surnames.
Although there have been indications of some matches relating to Caverly, a quick check has not indicated anything significant.Richard Caverly has had a number of matches over the years and he should check those for any indications of possible surnames that may be from his familytree. The rest of the results have be quiet except for few related to my maternal side and some matches to some of my wife’s lines.
In the spring of 2013 Paul Caverly had a DNA test at23andme. This is a lot like the test at FamilyTreeDNA called ‘FamilyFinder’ where they test your autosomal DNA. Autosomal tests you’re mixed DNA from both your parents. This can be useful for trying to find distant cousins from both sides of your family. Although in ‘FamilyFinder’ and 23andme I have found manyDNA matches nothing major has surfaced for the Caverly surname. I did find at least one confirmed cousin on my maternal side. Another aspect of 23andme tests is a health report. This is interesting to look at and I provide a copy for my doctor but I would only use it if as a general interest not as a true medical concern. Maybe one day more doctors will use DNA to for health tests. If you do try 23andme they also have a volunteer health question section. There are 100s of questions in the health survey you can answer which can help you learn more about your health. Tests have come down significantly so 23andme costs only $99. The 23andme site is a little more difficult to use and search then the FamilyTreeDNA site but, for those into genetic genealogy DNA it may be worth trying. www.23andme.com
- OCT. 2013
For my maternal side I have the surname HENRY. Our research points to N. Ireland for the origin. I have DNA results for one male HENRY inour project and I used this to purchase a research Case Study for the HENRY surname in Ireland. http://www.irishorigenes.com/
Although the Case Study only helped confirm a little of our possible HENRY ancestor origins the HENRY surname is so common in Ireland itwill be difficult to pin point a family location. The report costs about $150 and comes with several historic maps of Ireland. The study is put together by aDr. Tyrone Bowes who lives in Ireland. You can see more details on the website.Dr. Bowes indicates he can also do DNA Case Studies for Scotland and Englandbut, Ireland seems to be the most popular report requested.
- JAN. 2014
Two more DNA kits have been ordered. One was for a Merv Henry and one for Verdell Honoway. The HENRY surname is from my maternal side so I am also using the project to do some research on this surname. Verdell Honoway is a 3rd cousin on my paternal side and she has one set of CAVERLY ancestors who married and both had the CAVERLY surname so we assume they may have been cousins.
Advances in DNA testing may cause me to look at asking some of our members to upgrade their tests but since I have spent a lot of my money testing others it will be up to them to decide if they want to pay for upgrade testing.
- - NOV. 2014
I have been working on the Calverley surname in the project. Several new members have been tested. I am also looking at the Henry surname (my maternal side) and I expect more familyfinder results shortly for a Henry cousin.
I recently made contact with a possible cousin who shares results in the FamilyFinder test. Problem with this contact is he believes he has a different genetic father then the man who raised him so this would mean the surname is unknown.
I added FamilyFinder results for my son and wife to allow me to separate my paternal and maternal sides in. This may also find more cousins for my wife’s tree.
It appears to make good use of the FamilyFinder test you should have some more family members tested to sort it all out. Of course this could end up being expensive but FamilyFinder (atDNA) appears to be the major test many arepresently taking and it run at $99. Of course have all tests such as yDNA,mtDNA and atDNA can improve your ability to find more cousins.
When another cousin took the FamilyFinder test it allowed me to zero in on some other matches and with ourfamily tree results determine our common ancestors.
- Feb 2015
Update Summary
- Dennis Long joined the project and is doing theyDNA and FamilyFinder test. Jefferson Caverly was his great grandfather. Hissister Verdell Honoway (Long) is already in the project with her FamilyFinder test.
- Robert Dwayne Caverly is doing the FamilyFinder test. His father was George Henry Caverly and his grandfather was also named George Henry Caverly.
- In Nov. 2015 Jim Henry did the FamilyFinder test. Jim is from Paul R Caverly’s maternal side.
- In Feb. 2015 David C. Chapman joined the CaverlyDNA Project. Going by the name Craig he found some 3rd cousin Caverly matches in his FamilyFinder test. He is actively searching for his genetic father.
- There are several other surnames in the projectthat have joined over the years mainly because there were no surname projects covering their surname. Cave, Cavalier and Calverley.
- As of this date I encourage any members who have not taken the FamilyFinder test to add this test to their kit. This is one ofthe hottest tests folks are trying and results of the FamilyFinder DNA are a combination of an individual’s paternal/maternal DNA.
- - JUNE 2015
There has been lots of activity over the 1stpart of the year, couple of new members with matches. Several others in the projectsuch as Cave, Cavalier, Calverley have also more matches but I do not always follow these names.
Names like Chapman and Psaila are individuals looking for their genetic fathers that I have been trying to help out. Psailais not related to anyone in our project but Chapman does show some distant DNAmatching. Hamble surname is connected to the NH Caverly line not biologically,the tester like to follow Caverly DNA.
Some matches with the Wolfe (Woofe) surname showed with 2 of our members. These matches are very deep back to 6thcousins but I was able to find the relationships thanks to the Wolfe feedback and our extensive Caverly genealogy database.
There is actually more activity on than Ican comment about most of it around FamilyFinder matches since so many peopleare taking this test (due to low cost) and matches keep showing up.
Since I am the only member who tested at23andme there is less activity and due to politics people tested at that lab asslowed down. 23andme and FTDNA FamilyFinderare similar DNA tests in since they look at the atDNA (autosome) or all of yourDNA markers. 23andme is now in Canada, more expensive ($200us) but you can participate in the health section. The health section has be placed on hold in the USA but those who tested sometime back (like myself) have been grandfathered so I can still participate in the health testing. 23andme works well with Gedmatch which is another way to compare results.
AncestryDNA announced testing for Canadians.Years ago they did have a program Canadians could join (mainly yDNA) but shut that program down about 2 years ago. They are now back with a atDNA program.This can be linked to a genealogy family tree someone has on the ancestry site.To make it work for you membership is normally required which adds to theoverall cost. I am going to try it since there may be more matches to be found.
-MARCH 2016
Updates – a few new names some I am still trying to contact to determine how they may fit. STUTT surnames are connected to my wife’s tree.
- MARCH 2016
Comparing yDNA for the CAVERLY surname.
- I have found 3 Caverly genetic trees that appearnot to be genetically related when comparing yDNA. (refer as A.B.C.)
- I know all the Caverly Haplogroups are one ofthe most common European groups, R1b.
- All 3 Caverly genetic trees appear to have beentraced back at least 300 to 400 years using conventional genealogy.
- Genetic tree A & B appear to have arrived inNorth America (USA) close to the same time +/- 50 years. Genetic tree C appearsin North America (USA) about 200 years later then tree A & B.
- Even with limited yDNA test results thedifference in how much shared yDNA each tree (A, B & C) has with others isunusual.
- Reviewing the number of matches for yDNA at 12markers I found the following:
Group A – average number of matches 6.2 (NYGroup)
Group B – average number of matches 460 (NHGroup)
Group C – average number of matches 2 (IreGroup)
July 2016
Because thename Cavalier may appear as part of our tree some have identified the ETHNICITYof our Caverly surname as possibly French origin.
I don't agree with the possible French origin. Checking all 3 sites where Ihave DNA tested they have similar results for my ETHNICITY.
Since thereis some Irish and Scandinavian in my ETHNICITY these likely came from mymaternal side where I know I have some Irish origins. The Scandinavian is stilla puzzle.
MyETHNICITY
- AncestryDNA: 45% Great Britain, 28% Irish, 15% Scandinavia.
- FTDNA:yDNA no French, mtDNA less then 1% French, FamilyFinder some bordering intoFrance which is indicated as southern Europe 11%. Since FamilyFinder ispaternal and maternal it is difficult to determine which side southern EuropeDNA may have come from.
- 23andme:57.2% British & Irish, 7.1% French and German, 2.2% Scandinavia, broadlynorthwestern Europe 29.6%.
(Note: AncestryDNA, FamilyFinder and23andme are all based on autosomal DNA which is a combination of paternal andmaternal sides of your family. Only FTDNA tests for yDNA and mtDNA exclusivelyif you request that test.)
Nov. 2017
I recently learned that may people who use smart phones are not receiving messages andqueries regarding DNA matches. One more reason may of us do not receiveresponses when we send a message regarding a possible DNA match.
May 2018
From Dick Eastman’snewsletter, 5 May, 2018.
You can read more inan article by Steven Musil in the C|Net News web site at:https://cnet.co/2s6wrlt and a more detailed article in the Seattle Times athttp://bit.ly/2rXTKxK.
Interesting article but graphic. I remember the story in the news since the murdered couple were Canadian and appeared in Canadian news. The newspaper article has an interesting graphic showing the process police used to find Talbott. Genealogist CeCe Moore helped police and I often read some of her articles and have attended some of her presentations. This is the 2nd cold casefile the police have investigated using DNA.
William Earl TalbottII, 55, of SeaTac, was arrested as he was leaving his Seattle workplace.According to investigators, he is suspected of raping and killing a 19-year-oldBritish Columbia woman in 1987, and detectives are working to tie him to the death of the woman's boyfriend.
There is a questionposed by Dick Eastman regarding the use of DNA. I do not have a problem with process but do have questions:
1. To what extent will DNA be used in cold case files? Recent cases were murder and violent crimes but would police us it for lesser crimes. People leave DNA everywhere in their life time.
2. I wonderif these cold case files would extend outside of the USA? Is Canada ready to deal with USA police requesting an arrest based on the investigation?
3. While using genealogyDNA I have found some people with very few matches and others with 1000s of matches. It appears some people may have more common DNA ten others. There is also the issue of how many DNA markers are reviewed.
4. Can police make use of the process to possibly close out old cold cases when the trail leads to a possible deceased suspect?
5. The process could be even more interesting if adopted individuals are involved.
If you contributed your DNA information toGEDmatch.com, you may have helped identify a murderer or other violent criminal. Is that a good thing? Or is it an invasion of your personal information and the personal information of your relatives?
June 21, 2018
A number of participates in the CaverlyDNAProject have not filled out all the different release forms so they can receive match details. If all the forms are not initiated other people who have tested their DNA cannot match with your results. This means you will not find possible new relatives with your DNA results.
These items should be completed and allow access on the site:
Release, Public Share DNA Results need to show ‘yes’ to have others find you as a match.
Mar. 13, 2021
I commissioned a report from www.englishorigenes.com The report cover areas I was familiar with regarding my maternal Irish lines and my paternal grandmother's Scottish lines.
Interesting part: Autosomal DNA analysis reveals ancestral links to Yorkshire and Devon/Cornwall in England. An examination of the English and Welsh counties listed among the ancestral detail recorded by thetest subject’s genetic relatives revealed ancestral links centred upon Yorkshire in the north, and Devon and Cornwall within the far southwest. Thegenetic signal from London is the result of more recent migration to the city.
One yDNA match to my DNA was with the surname AYRES. Looking closer at this surname I found a few others who have this surname in their trees and also share some matching with me.
I decided to join the AYRES surname project in the hopes of learning more. I have also sent messages to some of those matching my DNA.