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Y-DNA tests of men with direct paternal-line Bogle ancestry in this project reveal common ancestry among nearly all Bogle members, with that common Bogle ancestor nearly certainly living in Scotland. Some of his descendants remained in Scotland, while many others moved to Ireland and then on to the United States, Canada, Australia, and other places. Bogle men fitting this description have been placed together in Group 1 in the project.
Prior to the adoption of the Bogle surname, the Group 1 Bogle line of men all belong to a more distantly related subcluster of surnames, including Stark (and variants such as Starke, Starks, etc.), Kelly, Kidd, Livingston, Boggs, and Canady. These surnames appear among the list of Y-DNA matches of many Bogle men in this project. A regularly updated tree showing the relationships among these surnames can be found at the Big Tree project (link here).
Further back in time, all Group 1 Bogle men in this project share unique genetic markers that place them into a larger group of families known as the Little Scottish Cluster (LSC). All members of the LSC share descend from a common ancestor who lived in Scotland approximately 1200 years ago, long before surnames came into common use. See this link to learn more about the Little Scottish Cluster. Group 1 men from this project are encouraged to join the LSC group, which now goes by the name of R-S424.
As of late 2022, six Group 1 Bogle men completed advanced Y DNA testing via the Family Tree DNA Big Y test. This advanced testing looks for unique mutations (called SNPs) that can help to clarify relationships that appear in regular Y-STR testing (such as Y-37 and Y-67 tests). Because of the clear connection among all Group 1 Bogle men, the entire group benefits from these advanced test results through the discovery of a mutation named R-BY34755, also known as the Glasgow Bogle mutation. Current estimates place that mutation as having occurred around the year 1400; all six Big Y-tested Group 1 Bogle men carry this mutation.
Next steps for the Bogle project:
Updated November 2022
Prior to the adoption of the Bogle surname, the Group 1 Bogle line of men all belong to a more distantly related subcluster of surnames, including Stark (and variants such as Starke, Starks, etc.), Kelly, Kidd, Livingston, Boggs, and Canady. These surnames appear among the list of Y-DNA matches of many Bogle men in this project. A regularly updated tree showing the relationships among these surnames can be found at the Big Tree project (link here).
Further back in time, all Group 1 Bogle men in this project share unique genetic markers that place them into a larger group of families known as the Little Scottish Cluster (LSC). All members of the LSC share descend from a common ancestor who lived in Scotland approximately 1200 years ago, long before surnames came into common use. See this link to learn more about the Little Scottish Cluster. Group 1 men from this project are encouraged to join the LSC group, which now goes by the name of R-S424.
As of late 2022, six Group 1 Bogle men completed advanced Y DNA testing via the Family Tree DNA Big Y test. This advanced testing looks for unique mutations (called SNPs) that can help to clarify relationships that appear in regular Y-STR testing (such as Y-37 and Y-67 tests). Because of the clear connection among all Group 1 Bogle men, the entire group benefits from these advanced test results through the discovery of a mutation named R-BY34755, also known as the Glasgow Bogle mutation. Current estimates place that mutation as having occurred around the year 1400; all six Big Y-tested Group 1 Bogle men carry this mutation.
The Little Scottish Cluster men (including the Group 1 Bogles of this project) carry an earlier mutation called R-L21, one of the major groups of European men. There is an existing project for R-L21 men as well, with thousands of members. Advanced testing (e.g. Big Y) is required for membership in this group.
In August 2020, a second group of Bogle men was added to the project (Group 2). At this point, the group includes only two, unrelated men and remains speculative, pending additional confirmation via Y-DNA test with another Bogle surnamed man. There is also interest in adding men with the Bogle surname with origins in Jamaica, where the surname is tied to national hero Paul Bogle. To date, no volunteers have been located.
Next steps for the Bogle project:
- Find more Bogle surnamed men to join the project and take a Y-37 or (better yet) Y-111 test.
- Encourage existing project members to join related projects at Family Tree DNA, including the "R-S424," "DF21," and "R-L21" projects.
- Encourage existing project members to take advanced testing (Big Y), available at Family Tree DNA. This will give more specific insights into the various branches within the Bogle family.
- Encourage existing project members with Y-37, Y-67, and Y-111 tests to upgrade to Big Y. This will help to better understand the relationships among the men who have tested and eliminate false-positives from the lower resolution test.
Updated November 2022