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D Harper D Harper
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August 19 @ 7:06am
Getting Started on Smith Official DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA. List of resources and links. Look to the left here for LINKS to find a number of links to various resources. Difference between a YDNA test and autosomal testing.Who should do and why? (See Link on left under LINKS) When you join the project you will be asked to send in a direct line from your Smith or Schmidt down to you and also upload a gedcom to FamilyTreeDNA. Why? Because it isn't enough to know who you may or may not match but how you may match is key and a tree line enormously helps the process. You can either send a direct line gedcom or you may use this form for listing on the big tree at smithsworldwide.org, which is the one big tree repository for the Smith DNA Project. (See Links on left) Please address questions to info@smithsworldwide.org which uses a shared inbox so all the admins can see questions and comments in one place. Results for new kits typically take about 6 weeks to come in. When they do, you as well as we will be notified, we will see who you may match and, if YDNA, place you in the correct matched grouping, if one, for viewing on the FamilyTreeDNA's Classic YDNA chart. We also keep a more inclusive copy of the group on Smithsworldwide.org to include autosomal, mtdna and tree only. Group list: (See Links on left) If you have done an autosomal test, you can and should write all the matches you have in the list to determine which ancestor/line that person belongs to. Quite often, your match will not supply a tree, so will need to be emailed. If you know for sure of matches that match you on Smith/Schmidt, please let the project know so we can reach out to them and hopefully include them in a match for you. The Smith DNA Project is run by volunteers. Sometimes life keeps us busy with other projects; if you believe you are falling through the cracks, please send an email to info@smithsworldwide.org with your kit # or other info. Also, if you see a better match in your results, or have suggestions about updating a group, please send recommended changes to info@smithsworldwide.org along with pertinent kit #s, etc. That can include, for example, going to 111 markers and then taking a fresh look at other matches in a group with less markers who no longer match at 111. Smithsworldwide.org has a forum where you can pose a query, do a roll call, look for project updates, information on YDNA or automal tests to help understand them. If you post from a given person page, ie, John Smith b 1772 Ireland, your query will not only display on the forum but also at the bottom of that person page for others to see. You need to be registered to post on the forum. (See Links on the left) Smithsworldwide, being one tree, uses a system of creating a *branch* for your line. There may be others who share, if not your exact same line, the same ancestors. The purpose of this is to have one tree and not redundant trees to try to sort through. If you wish to edit your part of the branch, you need to have sent a tree line AND be registered on smithsworldwide.org where the one big tree is. That will also allow you to be contacted by passersby who are also logged on. We enjoy photos. Photos need to be submitted, the submission link is on the person pages. We have a Smiths member photo list as well and encourage you to send in a photo, along with kit # or other identification so we can know who you represent. Smith DNA Project photo album (See Links on left) We are always in need of other volunteers to help in the project, whether from listing trees to updating results to answering questions.
Mark Elliott Mark Elliott
24 minutes ago
http://www.ulsterscotsacademy.com/research/gregg/images/mapping-ulster-scots-9.jpg http://www.ulsterscotsacademy.com/research/gregg/mapping-ulster-scots.php Family Anglican Hamiltonian Charles II Royalists, of the Cromwellian, Puritanical Civil War, POW Scots, indentured (enslaved) to Colony of Massachusetts, c1650. Were exiled to County Fermanagh c.1607, Ireland, as part of the James VI Scotland becoming James I England, border Pacification (exile and extermination of families living along the border between the Kingdoms of England and Scotland). https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Border people married the Maguire and McManus, Irish of the county. From Anglican, Tullykelter; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle EU/Brexit Border wraps around the Anglican which supported the Irish, from County Fermanagh. The Presbyterian 'Mc-', and the Catholic 'Mac-', from (London)Derry, and Belfast utilized this region as a battlefield so the farmers; Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott, moved to West Germany. Today Germany does not have a border. Ulster-Scots is spoken in the region of the Presbyterians. That is why I feel not many Presbyterians became Episcopalians, or Episcopalians becoming Presbyterians, in the south they would likely become Baptists.
Mark Elliott Mark Elliott
32 minutes ago
Wonder if there are any Presbyterian Churches in Hamilton County, TN?
Mark Elliott Mark Elliott
1 hour ago
https://digital.ncdcr.gov/digital/collection/p16062coll33/id/2200 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gulielmus Gulielmus not Guilelmus Latin, indicative of Anglican not Presbyterians. (A likely evolution of faiths Anglican to Episcopalian to Methodists? which at anytime could end up in this region becoming Baptists, not Presbyterians.) May be a way to tell the two groups a part, if one has Anglican-Episcopalian roots, and the other Presbyterian roots. "St. John's Church in Williamsboro, built in 1757, https://www.google.com/maps/place/Old+St+Johns+Episcopal+Church/ is the oldest frame church in North Carolina. St. John's Parish was created by the provincial Assembly of North Carolina in 1746. The church was built by the Lewis family of Granville County near Nut Bush Creek, and throughout the colonial period it was commonly called Nut Bush Creek Church. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nutbush+Creek/@36.3682664,-78.4325407,13.54z/ In 1772 Judge John Williams moved the church to its present location, which is about one-half mile from the original site. The community that grew up around the church was incorporated in 1787 and called Williamsboro in honor of Judge Williams. Nut Bush was a church of the Anglican faith under British rule. The clergy, including the Reverend James McCartney, appointed rector by Governor William Tryon in 1769, were all educated in England. It is therefore not surprising that most rectors had Tory sympathies. The transition from the Anglican to the Episcopal Church in America in the revolutionary period was a slow and difficult process." https://www.ncpedia.org/st-johns-church The Smith DNA Project has a grouping from those who believe they are descendants of Guilelmus Smith b 1735 NC d c 1814 Warren County, North Carolina. One of his children was Ransom D Smith b 1761 Hanover Co VA d 1854 Powells Crossroads, Marion County, Tennessee, wife Elizabeth Moss. He can be found on the 1790 Granville Co NC census, 1830 Campbell County, Tennessee, 1850 Marion County, Tennessee. North Carolina, Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890 1790S Record information. Name Gulielmus Smith Residence 1784 No Township Listed, Granville County, NC Title Tax Lists, Granville County, 1769 Creator Granville County (N.C.) Date 1769 Subjects Property Slavery Taxation--North Carolina North Carolina--History--Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775 Place Granville County, North Carolina, United States Time Period (1763-1789) American Revolution Description Tax lists of households subject to taxation. Information generally includes name of the head of household, acreage, valuation, and number of polls in household, black and white. Horses, cattle, livestock, and other luxury goods such as carriages and coaches are also often referenced.
D Harper D Harper
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September 19 @ 12:26pm
Two different Reuben Smiths claiming same ancestor Ransom D Smith. Both Reubens were born about the same time but are found in two different locations in the 1840 and 1850 census, so it cannot be that it's one Reuben that was married two different times. Would like anyone who has source information that can sort this out to post, and also would like a male Smith YDNA tester for Reuben Smith # 2 https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/gbookd.php?id=1960&tree=tree1
Mark Elliott
Yesterday at 4:19pm
Wife from Johnson City, Washington County, TN. Hammer ancestors settled in Washington County, TN before American Revolution. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2481503?dpr=2&fit=max&h=359&w=590 1. Reuben Smith 5 Apr 1804 Granville County, North Carolina, USA d 15 Aug 1884 Sulphur Springs, Marion County, Tennessee, USA. Wife Sarah Hollingsworth (b 1803 MD d 1876 Sulphur Springs, Washington County, Tennessee, USA. Married in 1821 in Campbell County, Tennessee, on 1830, 1840, 1850 and 1860 Marion County, Tennessee census. Children: William Franklin, Martha, Nancy, Lucretia Hollingsworth, Thomas and Elmore. DNA would sure help to get through this genealogical 'brick wall'.
Glen Coffman
5 hours ago
Further complicating things… Hamilton County and Marion County are both in the Lookout Mountain area. I am the descendant of Reuben Smith #2 and wife #1 Margaret Tygart, whose record is opened by the posted link. Margaret A Smith, daughter of Reuben H Smith, married Moses L Smith in Johnson County, AR [adjacent to Logan County, AR]. Family lore has it that Margaret and Moses were cousins, [perhaps 3rd cousins] given that both families had previously lived in the Lookout Mountain area of Tennessee and Georgia. Reuben #2 fathered 3 sons by Margaret Tygart and 2 sons by wife #2, Mahaley Surguine. While I continue to populate my “Glen Coffman” Ancestry.com family tree as DNA matches prove out, I don’t have any records – nor a direct male Smith descendant [as yet] – to otherwise distinguish “my” Reuben Smith #2. Incidentally, I have a “Mark Elliott” AncestryDNA Match as 5th-8th Cousin, with Brian Walthour and Marianne Adcock listed as Shared Matches.
D Harper
3 hours ago
Agree. It's very possible that they are both from the same YDNA group but the problem is we need to find more DNA evidence to prove this. Some trees I have seen conflate both Reuben Smiths to one person. To add more headache to this, hah, I have looked at Thomas Smith b 1788 > Marion Co TN who is said to have been married twice, as a possible parent. There is NO source evidence I have found for the first marriage, might be bunk. That in turn has led to some rabbit hole research I'm doing today, which is the claim that David James Smith who was born in 1806 d 1856 Bollinger Co MO is a son of that Thomas. I actually don't think so, based on some locations and records, will post about that in the next day after I order it in my head. Bottom line is that a YDNA tester, preferably two in case of NPE, for Reuben #2 would at least show, as you mention, Glen, that these are related Smiths living in the same general area who share a common Smith ancestor. .. Sending you an email about your Reuben
Mark Elliott
3 hours ago
Alexander Smith Adcock-Stearns Family Tree Birth October 05 1908•Asheville, Buncombe, North Carolina, USA Marriage June 25, 1932•Buncombe County, North Carolina, USA Death April 13 1978•Asheville, Buncombe, North Carolina, USA Most likely; Presbyterian, Ulster-Scots-Irish, likely from County Antrim, and Down of North Ireland about 1740. May belated to a Greenup (Co. north KY) S. Smith b.27 NOV 1806 Barren Co., KY An extremely thick 'brick wall', to go through, presented by admin. Will take a lot of information gathering, and learning, from a lot of people, and will give other view points on it, but I myself only through the eyes of family members will be able to achieve answers. Ever in the past eat at an Italian Restaurant in Ashville, called Ikes, when it was there?
D Harper D Harper
Admin
Yesterday at 11:19am
Two Perry Smiths about the same age,one found in Greenville County, South Carolina, the other in Spartanburg County, South Carolina. Cannot be the same person due to conflicts in marriages, children and census records. #1 Perry E Smith b c 1852 SC m 1 Margaret Walker 2 Lillie A Carman. Parents are Wyatt Hawkins Smith and Martha Emily Erwin. 1850 Wyatt Hawkins Smith in Greenville County SC census. 1860 and 1870 Perry E Smith found in census with parents. in 1880 Perry in own household in Butler, Greenville County, South Carolina with wife Margaret J, then in 1900 in Beech Springs, Spartanburg County, South Carolina, 1910 in Chick Springs Greenville County South Carolina, and 1920 Greenville, Greenville County, South Carolina. Very consistent paper trail. There has been no YDNA or autosomal testers for anyone in this line. If you are a male Smith of this line, please consider doing a YDNA test. #2 Perry L Smith was born 1 Feb 1856 in Reidville, Spartanburg County, SC and died 11 Mar 1918 Spartanburg County, South Carolina. Married, 1st, Eliza Ann Lucey Campbell and second Ida (?) . He is found on the 1880 Beech Springs, Spartanburg County, SC with wife Eliza A and son Cofer G, then on 1900 Reidville, Spartanburg County, SC with wife Ida, Jesse Smith and Ollie (Oliver Parris) Smith and finally in 1910 Beech Springs, Spartanburg County, SC with wife Ida. Perry L Smith has several DNA testers and matches into the group that claims Guilelmus Smith as an ancestor. Doesn't have to mean that Guilelmus is THE common ancestor. Unknown at this point what the YDNA line for Perry E Smith would be. If anyone has specific information about who the parents are for Perry L Smith, please post with sources. https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/gbookd.php?id=1961&tree=tree1
D Harper D Harper
Admin
September 10 @ 1:00pm
New Matched Grouping GRP-I-P37-9 - have asked for additional lineage information to find where the match generally or specifcally might be. One member has William Peter Smith b 1865 d 1938 as the early ancestor-have asked if that might be William P Smith of Gadsden Florida https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/smtrees.php?grouping=GRP-I-P37-9
David Smith
September 17 @ 7:47pm
Forgive me for my ignorance in DNA and even in forum response! I am the one that posted about William Peter Smith, b 1865, d 1938. Yes, he was in the Gadsden Co., Florida area, and several other counties, including Jackson and Leon County. He married Lena Luke 1890 in Jackson County I wish I understood more in what I'm to do, as this is my husband's line, and in all these years of marriage (56 years) I haven't been able to really find alot on his line at all. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
D Harper
Yesterday at 1:39pm
Sending you an email.
elisabeth Shatwell elisabeth Shatwell
September 16 @ 11:48am
Tennyson Smith 1850-1925. Son of Edward Smith, and my 2x gt Uncle. Worlwide temperence preacher,orator and author. As well as an ego the size of a planet, he would visit jails and workhouses to bail out alcoholics and put them "on the right path".
elisabeth Shatwell elisabeth Shatwell
September 16 @ 11:45am
Edward Smith, was the oldest master printer in Birmingham, a dissenting minister and right hand man of William Murphy the anti papal preacher. 1826-1910
elisabeth Shatwell elisabeth Shatwell
September 12 @ 6:58am
Hi. My maiden name is Smith and they come from Birmingham UK from as far back as at least 1760. My earliest known ancestor is my 4th Great grandfather, Thomas, b c1767, a pearl button manufacturer who married Anne ward. His son Thomas 1797-1853, a printer and engraver married Harriot Wellings 1797-1878. And their son, my gt gt grandfather was Edward Smith who was part of the group involved in The Murphy riots in Birmingham. I have done an autosomal DNA test and had many matches on ancestry but on FTDNA I don't recognise a single name or place. I have a male Smith relative who did a Y SEq test and it reads R1b-DF109. I have also written a book about all the descendants of Thomas and Harriot.
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elisabeth Shatwell
September 12 @ 9:57am
I'd love find uot but No idea how as I have no Smith close relative who will do another Y DNA test to take it a bit further. Re my husband's Shatwell name; he comes from Lancashirand prior to that, Cheshire.
Mark Elliott
September 12 @ 10:09am
'Shatwell'; has a surname 'hotspot', also near Birmingham. https://named.publicprofiler.org/. Murphy, of Ireland north, cross over with mtDNA from Dublin to Lancashire, on what I refer to as a Gaelic-Irish, 'Smith Bridge'. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg Know this is pretty much a Y-DNA group, but us Y-DNA people also carry the mitochonial mtDNA. It comes from mom. First in genealogy; The Family Knows Best. Second; Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Doubtful, given Edward, b.6 May 1850, Henry abt 1852, John abt 1856, Mary in 1824, Anne 'Anna' Murphy b. May 1850 all Kilkenny, Ireland,Anne 'Anna' Murphy b. May 1850 all siblings of Kilkenny, Ireland. Was William from Kilkenny?. Was William from Kilkenny? http://www.ashton-under-lyne.com/history/riots.htm sure seem like relatives. Raised Methodist, by mom raised Catholic. The Elliott, of County Maguire then Fermanagh, as Anglicans fought on the side of the Irish, were indentured as Anglican Charles II Hamiltonian Royalist, as POW enslaved previous to Africans in the American Colonies; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 as the Cromwellian in the English Party THE TORIES state. Around 1776 we rebelled and showed them Tories off. Cromwell was a dictator, which transferred around 1650 many 'slave' POW Anglican Scot and Irish to the American Colonies including the West Indies and elsewhere as 'slaves'. Alexander Hamilton of Nevis Island since it has a Charlestown on the Island, was likely descended from Cromwellian Scot's POW slaves. Murphy may be Irish, but he was anti-Catholic. Many 'Mac-' Catholic, became Irish 'Mc-', Presbyterian. The Elliott and Armstrong from the Scottish-English border were exiled to Ireland and are farmers on the Brexit-EU border. They married the Maguire and McManus, during the time the Derry and Belfast, made the County Maguire/Fermanagh, called The Troubles, their battlefield, they migrated to Germany. Today Germany does not have a border. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547747?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott Of neither Scotland or England, but of the self governing English-Scottish border families of the Scottish Middle March; the Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier, of the 16th century, which soldiered the estate Hermitage third husband 'Bothwell' castle of Marie Stuart, Catholic Queen of Scots, which had her son James taken by Protestants, then her cousin Elizabeth beheaded her. Not Elizabeth II, she is now queen. Over a half century ago a Nixon made a phone call to an Armstrong taking about Peace on Earth. The Armstrong was on the moon.
D Harper
September 13 @ 8:58am
Hi, Elisabeth. Glad you are here! How exciting that you have written a book on your ancestry, quite the effort and so valuable for posterity. I have your basic tree listed on smithsworldwide, the big tree for all the Smith lines in the Smith DNA Project- https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/relationship.php?altprimarypersonID=I130307&savedpersonID=I130307&secondpersonID=I130319&maxrels=1&disallowspouses=0&generations=15&tree=tree1&primarypersonID=I130307 I also looked at your autosomal results and, quite right, difficult to determine specific matches on your Smith. Here's what I suggest. You said you have matches on Ancestry. People who you know you match on Smith can do an autosomal transfer to FamilyTreeDNA and then join the Smith DNA project. https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/imports/transfer-autosomal-ancestry/family-tree-dna-family-finder-transfer-program/ Then, you can point out the one(s) you know are also from Birmingham or can be put into your line, and we can do some matching based on a known match. Would also love you to send a photo to info@smithsworldwide.org of you and of an early Smith ancestor if you have one.
elisabeth Shatwell
September 16 @ 11:38am
One of my distant cousins is on FTDNA, I'll ask her to join the Smith group. Photos on way.
D Harper D Harper
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September 15 @ 1:49pm
New Member, two Smith lines, autosomal tester. One is Levin Smith b 1737 Canada, the other is John Smith b 1773 South Carolina m Sarah M Grogan Here's the vertical on both lines https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/verticalchart.php?personID=I130417&tree=tree1&parentset=0&display=vertical&generations=8 Would like to have male Smith YDNA testers for both lines.
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