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Are you a member of the R2-M124-WTY project?
Ambareen Rahman Ambareen Rahman
December 23 @ 8:55am
Anyone with this haplogroup? R-FGC61415
Aaron Ballagan
December 24 @ 8:20pm
You showed me the picture on Anthrogenica (I'm aaronbee2010 on there btw). M124 is directly above P267. To have the P267 mutation (R2a2) you must have the mutations of all clades above it (M124 for R2a, M479 for R2, M207 for R etc.). This rule applies to ALL subclades in general. Your father wasn't tested for M124, however he tested P267+, so therefore one can deduce that your dad must therefore also be M124+ given that he tested P267+. The fact that he also tested M479+ is further confirmation of this. Also, you can't have part of a Y-SNP mutation. Either you have the mutation or you don't. Hope this helps.
Ambareen Rahman
December 26 @ 11:15am
ha! why cant i stop laughing! XD
Aaron Ballagan
December 26 @ 8:47pm
Dunno I'm not a mindreader lol
Ahmad 666
May 31 @ 6:37pm
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Salman Khan Salman Khan
May 23 @ 8:27pm
Hi Admins and group members, my YDNA Haplogroup is R-M124 and mtDNA haplogroup is W4a. Do I belong here?
Aaron Ballagan
May 25 @ 4:49am
Hello Salman, Nice to hear about your heritage by the way. Unfortunately, R-M124 is generally rare in numbers outside of South Asia, although it is considerably widespread throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. STR's are only useful for finding your closest matches - you won't get a more accurate haplogroup result. You need to test SNPs if you want a more accurate result. As I've said before, the two SNP's of interest on the FTDNA store you should test for first are FGC17608 and V3714. I'm almost certain you come under FGC17608, although you may wish to test for FGC17608 for your peace of mind. Hope this helps, - Aaron
Aaron Ballagan
May 25 @ 4:57am
PS: Unfortunately, while FTDNA have a detailed R2a-M124 tree, only a few SNPs on that tree are available for individual SNP testing. YSEQ is another company where you can purchase individual SNP tests (and even a panel test, where they test you for as many SNPs as they need, to find you the most accurate result on their own tree). Their results won't show on your FTDNA profile, however their SNPs are cheaper and they have a vastly superior selection of individual SNPs available for testing. If you want to test for a SNP that doesn't exist on YSEQ's store, you can add the SNP you want to test for ($1) then test for it when it's available (it usually takes only 1-3 days for your SNP to become available before you can test for it). However, I would recommend testing for their R2-M479 panel test. it will give you a very accurate result for not a lot of money. If new SNPs of interest are discovered in the future, you can test for them seperately. The other option is a full sequence (FTDNA's Big Y-700 is this, other companies do this as well). This is a *very* expensive test however it is worth the money. It scans your whole Y chromosome, so effectively tests you for almost every SNP in existence. It also finds SNPs in your Y-DNA that have not yet been discovered, which can help expand the R2a-M124 tree further, which means your result can continuously change in the future and become more accurate over time as other full sequence testers get results near yours. As I've said, there are a few different companies that do this, but you will most likely end up spending over $350 whatever company you choose, with one exception (although this company is somewhat unprofessional and their results can take ages to be delivered - I won't name them here, but I cannot recommend them to anyone - their service is only cheap on offer, but they have sold tests for less than $250 on said offers - I would still recommend one of the more professional options). I only mentioned the full sequence because if you do decide to go for it, then the R2-M479 panel test from YSEQ effectively becomes a waste of money. I would only purchase the panel test if you're certain that you're not taking a full sequence test (at least for the near future). As you can see from my name, I've listed my most significant SNP results from other testing companies (I added Y154917 to the YSEQ store then tested for it (I got a negative result), Y1383 was from another company), so you can do that with SNPs results you get from YSEQ. You can test for SNPs from FTDNA (so they show on your profile to make it easier for an admin to allocate you to a specific group) and YSEQ (for more accuracy) Of course, the choice is yours!
Salman Khan
May 26 @ 12:29am
Mr Aaron Ballagan, thanks, your valuable advice has been very helpful.
Aaron Ballagan
May 26 @ 6:16am
Thank you. Please let me know if you have any more queries.
Michael Sternett Michael Sternett
February 28, 2018 @ 3:33am
Does anyone have any theory on the history or R2-M124? I have been unable to find much on the internet. They either started in India Or Caucus region. Or they moved into India. Are they from Northern Pakistan area (Burusho people)? Why did they split from the R group? And when? Why do my test results say 98% European if the R2 group stayed in the South Asian area? No one seems to know for sure. I am very curious. Also, I would love to find out how I came to be the only R2-M124 in America (as of this time).
Harold Wagner
March 28 @ 3:13pm
R2a2 M-124---My uncle Harold Wagner (93 years old) is a German from Russia. His parents came to the US in the early 1900s. He and his parents considers themselves German. The village his parents came from was Neu Strymba, Scholtoi, or Strembi, Bessarabia/Moldova. These village names could have been changed from Russian to German. They are located north and east within 100 miles of Kishinev(Chishinau). I don't know what language these village names come from. Kishinev is the city where some of his family's vital records were held. There was a family story that this family had roots in Romania. Other surnames in this family were Gross and Ritter. Since he is quite old but in good health, I would like to find out more about his ancestors to tell him before he passes away. I could also get him to do more testing if it would help. Thanks, for any help or suggestions, Janet
Aaron Ballagan
March 31 @ 7:08pm
@martinkaraffa I've analysed your Y-STR's and everyone in the category with row numbers 14-19 all have a maximum genetic distance of 8 across 37 STR's. I think it's safe to say that we can infer all other men in the category (including @haroldwagner) are F1758-. It's a unique looking cluster that seems to be Slovakian. @haroldwagner I've analysed your grandfather's Y-STR's and his two closest matches are Fetchko and Feyko/Fejko (he's roughly as close to them as they are to each other!). It seems to be the case that someone on his paternal line changed their surname from something resembling Fetchko to Wagner, which seems to also be suggested by the fact that your grandfather is the only R2 on the Wagner FTDNA project. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1092*/ It appears to be the case that your grandfather (and all men in the category with row numbers 14-19 on the results page of this project) belong to a unique Slovak cluster of R2-F1092, which isn't currently defined by any unique SNP's, only that the cluster is negative for SNP's downstream of F1092, which would mean that they are currently considered as R2-F1092*. These men could all do with taking a whole genome sequencing test and uploading their .BAM results to YFull's YTree. This would enable brand new SNP's unique to the Slovak cluster to be identified, and hence new subclades of the Slovak cluster can be discovered. As new sample's are added to the tree, the results of older samples are updated automatically. It's an interesting way to immortalise your grandfather's results, so you can make use of his DNA data even after he passes away. I would recommend either FTDNA's Big Y-700 or FGC's Y Elite services.
Aaron Ballagan
May 1 @ 8:07am
@jasonmalphurs I've analysed your Y-STR's versus average STR values for each R-M124 subclade. You seem to either come under R-F1092 (perhaps the Jewish A [R-FGC13201] cluster) or R-SK2153. Neither SNP is unavailable for individual testing from FTDNA. Your cheapest option is to test for individual SNPs from YSEQ. I would test for F1092 first. If F1092+ then test for FGC13211 (equivalent to FGC13201). If F1092- then test for L295 (equivalent to SK2153). You most likely come under F1092 (and FGC13201) considering most Jewish R2a comes under here - you are somewhat distant from other Jewish A samples on FTDNA though. I think you're FGC13201+ personally, however you can test for F1092 first for your peace of mind.
Salman Khan
May 23 @ 8:51pm
Guys, I m new to this and my theory most probably sounds crazy with no scholastic and academic credence, but I believe R origins are in North of the Caspian sea in the Eurasian steppe. It broke off into R1a1 and R1b subclass which move into Western Europe. While R2 subclade move eastwards into Central Asia, and Northern Afghanistan. From there it spread into Iran and Middle East in one direction and modern day Pakistan and Northern India in another direction. I also naively believe it spread into modern Western China (Tarim Basin Mummies and list Tocharian Indo European language) in modern Xinjiang province of North Western China. The northern barbarian tribes inhabiting northern borders of Han Empire and Mongolia we're also the eastward expansion of the Indo European speakers. So further testing and improvement in technology might she'd light on this connection and existence of R-M124 in current European populations.
Ahmad 666 Ahmad 666
September 28, 2017 @ 4:00am
Hello everybody am Ahmed almansoori my result is R2 M124
Abeer Abdulla
October 18, 2017 @ 3:03pm
هلا احمد انت تقربلي؟
Ahmad 666
October 19, 2017 @ 6:02pm
Ahmad 666
December 13, 2018 @ 7:33am
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Abdullah Siraj
April 5 @ 11:41am
مرحبا احمد، من وين انت؟ انا طلعت نفس الماركر من السعودية الرياض
Ambareen Rahman Ambareen Rahman
February 27 @ 11:21am
So my fathers haplogroup turns out to be R2-FGC13203 I know i have asked this before- but really there isn't anyone belonging to this subclade? 8-)
Ambareen Rahman
March 16 @ 4:45pm
@YURY lol i guess my father is alone but according to Yfull there was one dude but was hoping there is someone on here... will be getting father tested soon on here too - see what i can find paternally lol
March 17 @ 7:43am
Its always the case. We need more R2 testers. I am R2a branch Y1331 and as of yet not found anyone who matches. One kuwaiti fellow but as of yet not been able to reach out to him.
Ambareen Rahman
March 17 @ 7:49am
@F M there is always people who dont respond - frustrating isnt it I think FGC13203is R2a2a specifically - (I am from Northwest Punjab in Pakistan) and i do agree we need more R2 testers. i do believe it is getting more popular with genetics people around me havent really heard of it as yet or believe it to be conspiracy theory type, so there is that barrier! lol
Aaron Ballagan
March 26 @ 5:38am
@yury are you saying nobody in the world is FGC13203+?
Abeer Abdulla Abeer Abdulla
September 6, 2016 @ 8:19am
are my family members or its just local?
Ahmad 666
November 25, 2018 @ 5:24pm
Where you from
Abeer Abdulla
November 29, 2018 @ 11:16pm
Ahmad 666
December 10, 2018 @ 8:32am
R u on R-124 ?
Ahmad 666
December 10, 2018 @ 8:33am
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Abdulmajeed AlBulushi Abdulmajeed AlBulushi
May 17, 2015 @ 5:04am
Salah Othman Sr. (Y111 & Big Y)
November 16, 2015 @ 4:26pm
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Salah Othman Sr. (Y111 & Big Y)
November 30, 2015 @ 7:04am
السلام عليكم ممكن اخذ تلفونك
Abdulmajeed AlBulushi
July 1, 2018 @ 10:29pm
May 15, 2018 @ 1:06am
This haplogroup prevails among the people of the North of the Himalayas in the valleys of the river Hunza. The language is the most ancient - the Burushaski and yet the Newarians in the city of Kathmandu in Nepal, but there they crossed centuries with the Chinese. In Iran and India, this haplogroup is small in comparison with other groups, just as there are among the Cossacks, Kurds, Chechens, Ossetians, but in a very small percentage.
Noman Rasheed
May 17, 2018 @ 4:12am
I am from Kashmir, and my Y DNA is R2a.
Anar Ibrahimov
June 3, 2018 @ 7:32am
Primarily R2 most likely was formed in the south of Eurasia, somewhere between Hindustan and Arabia (but that was before R1 hit the Eurasian steppes). From this territory, probably R2 was settled east (India) and west (Caucasus and Middle East). There are versions that say that among the Elamites and Sumerians, R2 prevailed. But the fate of this haplogroup was not so successful. In the west, they mingled with other peoples and are highlighted in small% - starting in the south by Arabs and Jews, and in the north right up to the regions of southern Russia. In Hindustan R2 for some time had a dominance, and therefore in this region a wide variety of subclades is found. Nevertheless, even here, after a while, they were pressed, already their R1 counterparts. As a result, the highest carrier concentration R2 is observed now only in the southern and southeastern states of India.
Omar Chalabi Omar Chalabi has a question!
April 3, 2017 @ 11:25am
السلام عليكم , اسمي عمر حاولت الوصول الى مشجره العائله في بلدي العراق واغلب النسابين اتفقو اني تركماني ولست عربي وانا ارجح هذا الشي ايضا , لكني لست متأكد ميه بالميه فعينتي الجينيه هي R-L622 (M124) ممكن الافاده وشكرا جزيلا
April 5, 2017 @ 2:03am
I'm not from Iraq. I am from the North Caucasus in Russia
Anar Ibrahimov
June 7, 2017 @ 4:14pm
I am from the South Caucasus)) Вы кажется второй россиянин с гаплой R2, очень редкая для северных регионов группа.
July 19, 2017 @ 4:17pm
А кто вы по национальности Ангар?
November 22, 2017 @ 8:17am
Терский казак в 4 поколениях. Предки жили на Северном Кавказе сначала в Кизляре, потом Кисловодске и Ставрополе. Жены у всех были русские казачки.
Ahmad محمّد ناجي بن محمود أبو صالح (فرع أمين) Ahmad محمّد ناجي بن محمود أبو صالح (فرع أمين)
November 2, 2017 @ 9:11pm
نرجو من الأعضاء الكرام إضافة كل العيّنات السوريّة لديهم إلى هذا المشروع (مشروع الحمض النووي السوري). نأمل أن يصبح أكبر تجمّع للسوريين وتحوّراتهم. وسنقوم بعونه تعالى بطلب العيّنات لجميع العوائل السوريّّة، في الداخل والخارج، والتكفّل بإيصالها إليهم بأسعار مخفّضة. عسى أن نكتشف بعضاً من خفايا التاريخ والأنساب عبر العصور السالفة. www.familytreedna.com/groups/syrian-dna