R1b-P89.2

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Samuel Boyer Samuel Boyer has a question!
January 18 @ 5:54am
Hi everyone, I'm not sure if this has been discussed here before but since I received my Y-DNA results back, I've been taking a closer look at the potential ancient migration paths for R-S25234 and its descendent subclades. From the block tree and Dr. Iain McDonald's research, it now appears that a clearer picture is beginning to emerge. Has anyone looked into this at all?
3 Comments
Gary Blakely
February 14 @ 5:55pm
The DNA from these ancient burials is often not very detailed but the test methods are improving.
Samuel Boyer
February 19 @ 11:07am
Hi Gary, yes I've noticed the S25234 burial at Ribe, Denmark. - Not been able to find much information on the contents of the grave at the moment but hopefully we'll get something eventually.
Samuel Boyer
February 19 @ 11:08am
I'm not sure if Iain is able to provide the kind of in depth information we'd like for the more downstream clades such as ours but I did come across an interesting quote recently on one of our older parent clades, Z156, which he believes may be associated with the spread of the continental Hallstatt and La Tène Celts: "R-Z156 is also rare in north-eastern Europe and Scandinavia. It exhibits high relative frequencies in southern Europe (27% of R-U106, although R-U106 it is still rare overall) and in north-central Europe and the British Isles, particularly France and the island of Ireland. This is consistent with most R-Z156 dissolving out of the Unetice culture and into the Tumulus culture, then spreading westwards into the Celtic Nations with the Celtic migrations." To give you a visual representation, Eupedia has a nice map demonstrating the spread of these cultures across southern and central Germany, through France and into the British Isles during its later phase: https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Hallstatt_La_Tene_map.gif The consensus seems to be that DF96, which largely clusters along the Middle and Lower Rhine River, could also be defined as 'Celto-Germanic,' in some cases being carried to the British Isles by movement of these continental Celtic populations, whereas other clades are found in particularly high frequencies among countries historically associated with the later migration of West Germanic tribal groups.
Samuel Boyer
February 19 @ 11:11am
https://i.imgur.com/7PlXrm7.png - Further to Iain's research, we now have some interesting percentages from the block tree on our downstream clades - apologies if they're a couple of weeks out of date. It's interesting to see that another of our parent clades, FGC13326, fits Iain's explanation quite neatly. Intriguingly, S25234 seems to have taken a northward turn to its brother clades, possibly moving from west central or south west Germany towards the Frisian Coast? This might explain its large presence in England, the Netherlands, as well as the relatively high frequency in Scandinavia in the case of the S10185 subclade, and also now the S25234 burial in Denmark. Obviously there's much more to discover when it comes to our more recent clades but it'd be very interesting to know what regions our German testers trace their paternal lines to.
Darrell Coons Darrell Coons has a question!
September 16 @ 1:29pm
FT DNA has assigned me to an estimated haplogroup of R-M269. Do I need additional SNP testing to establish my actual group? If so, which ones?
Gary Blakely
September 17 @ 9:01pm
Hi Darrell, I am sorry that I have not noticed your results so far! You should be P89 positive and probably A7213 positive since you are very close to the Staffords. I have added you to the group that is P89 positive. The best test is the BigY-700, not on sale now but probably will be in late November. Two of the Staffords have done the BigY-500 and one has the BigY-700 upgrade on order now. If you are not up to that cost you could order the single SNP A7213 for $39. The BigY-700 would help us with that branch of P89.
Robert Leffler Robert Leffler has a question!
August 29, 2019 @ 10:59am
Gary, recently updated my Y to 700 level. Primarily I did it to see the change between my 111 level with some added package tests and the 700 test. I was an R-S25234 at the 111 ... I am still. I believe something isn't right. I know there have to be other mutations since R-S25234 at BC/AD and present day. I am also trying to better determine areas other than Flanders where it is traced and its travels through Europe from around BC/AD to around the 1500s from there on I have paper records on my Leffler lineage or my S25234 lineage but who knows who did whom and what they were called back then. Any insight into this issue and a Terminal Y or can you direct me towards someone who could maybe give some insight into this R-S25234 issue? TY VBR Bob
Gary Blakely
September 2, 2019 @ 5:18pm
Hi Bob, you have 40 un-named variants(at least with names not shown by FTDNA) and your block tree indicates 34 private variants. The cut off that FTDNA is using is 30 to show a match so you are shown with no matches and right now you are your own branch below S25234. At this time S25234 is the lowest branch point for you in the FTDNA tree.
Michael Moss Michael Moss has a question!
July 29, 2019 @ 1:58pm
Hi, Gary I just joined the project you administer. My kit is 281360. I am new to all this, and I'm not sure what I should do. I only bought Y-12, so I may not be able to do much. My family has been in the Catawba County NC area for generations, and I can trace relatives through my grandmother (Brown, Sherrill) for many generations, but while the last 4 Moss generations are accounted for I can't get past my GGGF John R Moss, buried with several sons in the Concord UMC churchyard in Catawba Cty NC. I am hoping to use the DNA tools to find his ancestral line. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Best regards
Gary Blakely
August 11, 2019 @ 3:05pm
Hi Michael, I would upgrade to 37 markers or more depending on your budget, there is a sale till the end of the month. There is a Moss Surname project that you should join, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/moss/about It appears that you are not going to be P89 since you do not have the DYS389=11-17 or the DYS385=11-13 or 12-12 Thanks, Gary
David West David West
August 21, 2018 @ 8:38pm
Hello....I am not exactly sure how I ended up in this group. I can't find my data in the chart. I am kit 623973. I remember a few groups asked me to join when I had fairly chose matches. I just upgraded from Y37 to Y111, so I should have some new results coming in. If I am in this group by error, admins tell me and I will get out of the way....lol. Thanks.
William Gilbert William Gilbert
October 8, 2017 @ 8:09am
My results are in #194585 I am ungrouped in the DNA chart in this group. I'm new to all of this so any help you have would be great.
Gary Blakely Gary Blakely
Admin
December 29, 2016 @ 6:28pm
I have a few coupon codes including one $125 BigY and some Y and Mt codes also. Please email me if interested at grblakely@charter.net
Gerard Boogert
December 30, 2016 @ 3:55pm
Gary, if you still have it, I will go for it. The big Y. Suppose I have been sitting on the fence long enough.
Gary Blakely
December 30, 2016 @ 5:48pm
Gerard, I have emailed you the code. Thanks, Gary
Gerard Boogert
December 30, 2016 @ 10:29pm
Did the deed. Thanks again Gary.
Gerard Boogert
February 15, 2017 @ 3:17pm
Got the results Gary. Thank you for the push.
Shane Elliott (my mom's last name) Shane Elliott (my mom's last name)
September 8, 2016 @ 9:04am
Hi, my name is Debbie, in 1972 I had a baby boy and named him Shane in Kenner, Louisiana, I was living at the Redwood Apartment’s, I was only 16 years old when I had him. I do not know who the father is and recently I had my son do an YDNA test thru FTDNA to see if I can find out my sons surname and who his father is. I am new to the YDNA and all this haplogroup & snp stuff confuses me. How do I find out who exactly matches, what is Shane's surname (because we don't know), ect... If anyone can help me learn or give me advice, it will be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Luis Levy
September 15, 2016 @ 10:35pm
What is you r Kit # so we can see who your son matches. Y DNA goes further back before last names were adopted. Your matches may be too far back in history. You might what to do an Autosomal test for you and your son. Those who match your son, but not you, would also be genetic family of his. Potential cousinship could point you in the right direction too.
Chris Moss Chris Moss has a question!
May 16, 2015 @ 4:03pm
I'm not clear about the relationship between STRs and haplogroups. When looking at closeness of STR matching, do you look strictly within a haplogroup or can the two develop simultaneously?
Chris Moss
May 16, 2015 @ 4:04pm
To be more specific: if I have a close STR match with someone in a different haplogroup is that significant or entirely irrelevant?
Anwar Ibrahim
May 30, 2015 @ 12:12pm
Good question: From my understanding it should be compared and can be considered significant regardless of Haplo.
Gary Blakely
October 1, 2015 @ 6:44pm
Many times the STR's can mutate to where they are close for very different Haplogroups. Certain STR's can give an indication of a Haplogroup SNP but it is newer 100%; in the words of one of the U106 project leaders "SNP's Rule".