🧬 R-Y61904 Ikerketa Genetikoaren Proiektua – Ebroko Mugako Erdi Aroko Elitearen Bila

Zure aita-lerroa R-DF27 haplogrupokoa al da? Edo zure zuzeneko mabideak Ebro Haraneko herri historikoetatik datoz, hala nola Tutera, Tarazona, Zaragoza edo Goiko Aragoiko haranetatik?

R-Y61904 Ikerketa Genetikoaren Proiektua parte-hartzaile berrien bila dabil, Erdi Aroko puzzle historiko eta genetiko zirraragarri bat argitzeko.

Uda-lepo genetikoa (K.o. 831 inguru)

Gure azpitaldea IX. mendearen hasieran bizi izan zen aitalehen bakar batengandik dator. Gaur egungo datuek iparralderanzko migrazio argi bat erakusten dute, anglo-normandiar eta hiberno-normandiar leinuekin lotuta (Gales, Irlanda eta Amerikako familiek ordezkatuak gaur egun).

Historikoki, data eta geografia hauek bat datoz Pirinioetako mugako hiru botere handiren konbergentziarekin:

• Banu Qasi Dinastia: Goiko Markako gobernadore muladi burujabeak.

• Eneko (Íñiguez) Dinastia: Eneko Aristak sortua, Iruñeko Erresumaren jatorria.

• Belaskotenes (Velascotenes) Etxea: Eneko eta Banu Qasi familiekin ezkontza-itunen bidez lotuta zegoen Pirinioetako leinu zahar bat.

Falta zaigun pieza: Iberiar parte-hartzaile basal bat behar dugu

Leinu hau sendotzeko eta K.o. 831ko aitalehenaren kontinente-jatorria behin betiko ziurtatzeko, hirugarren adar paralelo bat behar dugu. R-Y61904 nodoan positibo ematen duen baina adar britainiarren mutazio berantiarragoak ez dituen egungo euskal edo espainiar jatorriko parte-hartzaile baten bila gabilza.

Nola lagundu dezakezu:

1. Egiaztatu zure emaitzak: Big Y-700 testa egin baduzu eta zure azken adarra R-DF27 azpian badago, alderatu zure STR balioak gure proiektuarekin.

2. Bat egin proiektuarekin: Izena ematea doakoa da, eta gure administrazio-taldeak zure markatzaileak modu seguruan aztertu ahal izango ditu.

3. Zabaldu mezua: Aragoin, Nafarroan edo Errioxan sustrai sakonak dituzten senide edo kontaktuak badituzu, partekatu informazio hau.

Lagundu iezaguzu historia berridazten eta Ebroko mugako aitalehenaren nortasuna argitzen!

🧬 Proyecto de Investigación Genética: R-Y61904 – Buscando a la élite medieval del Valle del Ebro

¿Pertenece su linaje paterno al haplogrupo R-DF27? ¿O provienen sus antepasados directos de localidades históricas del Valle del Ebro como Tudela, Tarazona, Zaragoza o los valles del Alto Aragón?

El Proyecto de Investigación Genética R-Y61904 busca activamente nuevos participantes para resolver un fascinante enigma histórico de la Alta Edad Media.

El cuello de botella genético (c. 831 d.C.)

Nuestro subgrupo se originó en un único patriarca que vivió a principios del siglo IX. Los datos actuales muestran una clara migración hacia el norte, conectando con linajes anglonormandos e hibernonormandos (representados hoy por familias en las islas británicas y América).

Históricamente, esta fecha y geografía coinciden exactamente con la convergencia de tres grandes poderes de la frontera pirenaica:

• La Dinastía Banu Qasi: Los gobernantes muladíes autónomos de la Marca Superior.

• La Dinastía Íñiguez: Fundada por Íñigo Arista, germen del Reino de Pamplona.

• La Casa de los Belascotenes (Velascotenes): Señores navarro-aragoneses cuyos lazos e intercambios matrimoniales unieron a ambas familias.

La pieza que nos falta: Buscamos un participante basal ibérico

Para consolidar este linaje y confirmar de manera definitiva los orígenes continentales de este patriarca del año 831 d.C., necesitamos una tercera rama paralela. Buscamos a un participante actual de origen español o vasco que dé positivo en el nodo R-Y61904, pero que no comparta las mutaciones posteriores de las ramas británicas.

Cómo puede ayudar:

1. Revise sus resultados: Si se ha realizado la prueba Big Y-700 y su rama terminal está bajo R-DF27, compare sus valores STR con nuestro perfil modal.

2. Únase al proyecto: La inscripción es gratuita y permitirá a nuestro equipo revisar sus marcadores de forma segura.

3. Difunda el mensaje: Si conoce a personas con árboles genealógicos profundamente arraigados en Aragón, Navarra o La Rioja, comparta esta información.

¡Ayúdenos a reconstruir la historia y descubrir la identidad del patriarca de la frontera del Ebro!

🧬 Project Research Focus: Tracking the 9th-Century Elite of the Ebro Frontier (R-Y61904)

Are you an Iberian, Basque, or Spanish male carrying the broader R-DF27 haplogroup? Or do your deep paternal roots trace back to the historic towns of the Ebro Valley—such as Tudela, Tarazona, Zaragoza, or the rugged valleys of Upper Aragon?

The R-Y61904 Genetic Research Project is actively seeking new testers to help break open one of the most historically compelling genetic puzzles of the early Middle Ages.

Our lead group subclade centers on a single patriarch who lived during the early 9th century. Our current project data shows a clear, dual-pronged migratory branch leading north directly into the Anglo-Norman and Hiberno-Norman spheres (represented by families like the Marshalls and Bretons).

Historically, this precise era and geographic footprint match the convergence of three legendary frontier powers:

• The Banu Qasi Dynasty (The autonomous Muladí rulers of the Upper March)

• The Íñiguez Dynasty (The founders of the early Kingdom of Pamplona)

• The House of Belascotenes (The ancient Pyrenean warlords who helped forge early Aragon)

To consolidate this lineage and definitively lock down the exact continental origins of this 831 CE patriarch, our project requires a third parallel branch—specifically a modern Spanish, Basque, or Aragonese tester who tests positive for the R-Y61904 node but lacks the younger mutations found in the British Isles branches.

1. Check Your Results: If you have taken a Big Y-700 test and your terminal branch is under R-DF27, check your matches or STR values against our project modal.

2. Join the Project: Joining is free and allows our administration team to securely review your markers to see if you are the missing basal link.

3. Spread the Word: If you have paternal matches or genealogy contacts with deep paper trails in Aragon, Navarre, or La Rioja, share this project with them.

Help us walk back the timeline and uncover the true identity of the Ebro frontier patriarch!

🧬 Projet de Recherche Génétique : R-Y61904 – À la recherche de l’élite médiévale de la frontière de l'Ebre

Votre lignée paternelle appartient-elle au haplogroupe R-DF27 ? Ou vos ancêtres directs sont-ils originaires de la vallée de l'Ebre (Tudela, Tarazona, Saragosse) ou des vallées du Haut-Aragon ?

Le Projet de Recherche Génétique R-Y61904 recherche activement de nouveaux participants pour élucider une énigme historique et génétique fascinante du Haut Moyen Âge.

Le goulot d'étranglement génétique (c. 831 apr. J.-C.)

Notre sous-clade s'est développée à partir d'un ancêtre unique ayant vécu au début du IXe siècle. Les données actuelles du projet révèlent une double lignée migratoire claire se dirigeant vers le nord, s'intégrant parfaitement dans les réseaux anglo-normands et hiberno-normands (représentés aujourd'hui par des familles telles que les Marshall et les Breton en Angleterre, en Irlande et en Amérique du Nord).

Historiquement, cette décennie et cette empreinte géographique coïncident de manière spectaculaire avec la convergence de trois grandes puissances de la frontière pyrénéenne :

• La dynastie Banu Qasi : Les gouverneurs muladis autonomes de la Marche Supérieure d'al-Andalus.

• La dynastie Íñiguez : Fondée par Íñigo Arista, posant les bases souveraines du premier royaume de Pampelune.

• La maison des Belascotenes (Velascotenes) : Une ancienne lignée pyrénéenne profondément liée par des alliances militaires et matrimoniales stratégiques aux familles Íñigo et Banu Qasi.

La pièce manquante : Nous recherchons un testeur basal ibérique

Afin de consolider cette lignée et de verrouiller définitivement les origines continentales exactes de ce patriarche de l'an 831, notre projet a besoin d'une troisième branche parallèle. Nous recherchons un homme d'origine espagnole, basque ou aragonaise actuelle, testé positif pour le nœud R-Y61904, mais ne présentant pas les mutations plus tardives des branches installées dans les îles Britanniques.

Comment pouvez-vous nous aider ?

1. Vérifiez vos résultats : Si vous avez effectué un test Big Y-700 et que votre branche terminale se trouve sous R-DF27, comparez vos marqueurs STR avec le profil modal de notre projet.

2. Rejoignez le projet : L'inscription est gratuite et permet à notre équipe d'administration d'analyser vos marqueurs en toute sécurité.

3. Partagez l'information : Si vous connaissez des passionnés de généalogie ayant des racines profondes en Aragon, en Navarre, dans La Rioja, ou liés aux anciennes vagues de mercenaires et d'exilés de la Marche de Bretagne, transmettez-leur ce message.

Aidez-nous à remonter le temps et à découvrir la véritable identité du patriarche de la frontière de l'Ebre !

GASCONY, NAVARRE, AND ARAGON : CORRESPONDING HISTORY OF GASCONY

His genealogy is obscure, but he was probably a son of Sancho II Sánchez.

There is much confusion among the sources about the identity of Sancho Mitarra.

Some give that sobriquet to Sancho II, while some give it to Sancho III.

Some call the latter Mitarra Sancho and call him a son of the former.

It seems likely that these two Sanchos are related.

Genealogies of a "phantasmagorical" character assign to him a Castilian parentage.

During the reign of Sancho III, Gascony became de facto independent, owing no allegiance to the King of France.

He settled the Vikings at the mouth of the Adour and brought them under control.

He was succeeded by either his son (most likely) or his brother, García II Sánchez.

Notes

1.  Sedycias gives 871-886. Perhaps he reigned as late as 893.

2.  Higounet, p 44.

Sources

• Collins, Roger. The Basques. Blackwell Publishing: London, 1990.

• Higounet, Charles. Bordeaux pendant le haut moyen âge. Bordeaux, 1963.

• Sedycias, João. História da Língua Espanhola.

Category: 

• Dukes of Gascony

(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

SUMMARY OF GASCONY

The Merovingians had as representatives in this country dukes and counts who were high and powerful officials.

The dukes of Gascony made themselves independent about the ninth century. More likely it was independent until 778 when Lupus II was speculatively assassinated - or until the ducal reign of Sancho I Lopez, Duke of Gascony from 801-812, whom it is inferred was a Basque royal Frankish appointee of the court of Emperor Charlemagne, and also likely the son of Lupus II of Gascony, -778, seated as the Duke in order to moderate what was described by original chroniclers in latin as ‘Basque perfidium’ that translates as infidelity or treachery, e.g. ‘infra indignitatem’ of subordinates; they governed the country in their own names - ultimately as vassals of the Holy Roman Empire.

The Basques (Vascones, Wascones) of the Duchy of Vasconia, one of the mainstays of the Aquitanian army, submitted to Pepin in 766 and 769, but the territory south of the Garonne remained largely unscathed and self-governed.

However, as of 778 Charlemagne expanded Frankish takeover of Aquitaine to present-day Gascony, by appointing trusted Franks, Burgundians, and Church officials in key regional positions and establishing counties, such as Fezensac, Bordeaux, and Toulouse, on the left bank of the Garonne.

Lupus II King of the Basques -778, the “Grand Duke” of Gascony, the final independent Basque ruler of Wasconia.  The princeps - “the First Citizen of Rome” and dux Vasconum “Ruler of the Ducal State” - in explica : a Grand Ducal domain alternately considered to be a Principality.

The powers of Lupo II of Gascony, may, or may not have, extended to the Pyrenees, but the trans-Pyrenean Basques were also under the Carolingian suzerainty. Lupus II is the third-attested duke of Gascony, dux Vasconum, or princeps,  appearing in history for the first time in 769.

His ancestry is subject to scholarly debate. 

He died probably in 778 likely in relation to the Carolingian sack of Iruña - now called Pamplona - and the Battle of Roncevaux Pass.

His relationship to the previous dukes of Aquitaine-Vasconia and his successors is unclear.

If he is to be regarded as related to subsequent Gascon dukes, which seems reasonable on the basis of patronymics, a genealogy can easily be constructed. He was the father of Sancho Lupus, Seguin, Centule, and García (Garsand).

All of his sons ruled Gascony at one time or another, except García who died in battle with Berengar of Toulouse in 819.  He may have had another son named Adalric, who was active in the reign of Chorso of Toulouse.

Before leaving the Iberian Peninsula Charlemagne decided to further secure his hold on the Basque territory - Wasconia.

He first eliminated any possible opposition from the natives of the region - the Basque tribes - believing that many of them were allied with the Moors.

He gave orders to tear down the walls of the Basque capital Iruña - now Pamplona - possibly fearing that it could be used for future conflicts.

Some primary sources suggest that he destroyed the city altogether and many towns in the region were also razed.

Garrisons and military outposts were placed throughout the territory and there were accounts of the Franks' harsh treatment of the Basques during their occupation.

After securing the region Charlemagne marched for the Pyrenees mountain pass to return to France.

Many of his notable lords such as his nephew Roland the military governor of the March of Brittany, alternately called the Breton March [having dramatically diverse territorial delineations assigned throughout the regions history] and Eggihard, Mayor of the Palace, were placed in the rearguard probably to protect the retreat and the baggage train.

Unknown to Charlemagne the enraged Basques sent their warriors in pursuit of him and his army in retaliation for the destruction of their city Iruña, and the Basques' knowledge of the region helped them overtake the Franks.

In the evening of August 15 Charlemagne's rearguard was suddenly attacked by the Basques as they crossed the mountain pass.

The Franks were caught off guard by the surprise attack with their army in confusion and disarray as they tried to escape the ambush. 

The Basques managed to cut off and isolate the Frankish rearguard and the baggage train from the rest of the escaping army, and although the Basques were not as well-equipped they held the upper ground and the knowledge of the terrain gave them a huge advantage in the skirmish. 

As Charlemagne tried to regroup and evacuate his army, Roland and the others held for a considerable amount of time before the Basques finally massacred them completely.

Though killed to the last man - the rearguard nonetheless succeeded in allowing Charlemagne and his army to continue to safety.

The Basques then looted the gold of the rear baggage train that was left behind and took advantage of the darkness to flee, leaving no trace for the Franks to follow the next morning.

The revised version of the Annales Regni reads:

“Having decided to return, [Charlemagne] entered the mountains of the Pyrenees, in whose summits the Vascones had set up an ambush. They attacked the rearguard, causing confusion which spread to all the army. And, while the Franks were superior to the Vascones both in armament and in courage, the roughness of the terrain and the difference in the style of combat made them generally weaker. In this battle were killed the majority of the paladins that the King had placed in command of his forces. The baggage was sacked, and suddenly the enemy vanished, thanks to their knowledge of the terrain. The memory of the injury so produced overshadowed in the King's heart that of the feats done in Hispania.”

The Basque army : one of the principal units of the Vascones was the guerrilla army of the Basques. A later source, the anonymous Saxon Poet, talks of the Basque spears, agreeing with the Pyrenean and Basque tradition much later among the almogavars. A typical Basque mountain warrior was armed with two short spears and a knife or short sword as his main weapons, and bows or javelins for missile weapons. He would not normally wear armor.

Pierre de Marca, a Béarnese author, suggests that the attackers were a reduced number of mostly local Low Navarrese, Souletines, and Baztanese, whose main motivation may have been plunder. 

The Vascones had a history of resisting Carolingian rule since the incursion of Frankish king Pepin the Short, which saw the defeat of Waiofar, the last independent Duke of Aquitaine.

The accounts of Einhard and Pierre de Marca suggest that the perpetrator of the attack was Lupo II of Gascony.

He held the territory of the Pyrenees, making him responsible for the tragedy that happened in his realm.

Regions surrounding his kingdom such as Bordeaux were under the control of the Carolingians. 

While the Duke did pay homage to Charlemagne by offering Hunald II - a rebel leader and a possible heir to Waiofar, and his wife to him - there were disputes over the trans-Pyrenean Basque lands ruled by Lupo and those under Carolingian suzerainty.

The authors of the General History of Languedoc also believed in the same theory that the Duke was the leader of the attack.

Their reasons were that he and the Vascones opposed Carolingian expansion into Vasconia after the Franco-Aquitanian war (760–769).