R S1026 and Subclades

R1b-S1026 Subclades Project
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About us

Welcome to the R1b-S1026 and Subclades project!

R1b-S1026 is the branch of the human family tree marked by the mutation S1026+. It is a common Y chromosome clade of paternal lineages in Europe. There are several large subclades of R1b-S1026. This project is intended for people who are SNP tested S1026+ or one of its descendant SNPs, like S1026+, Z16886+, Z16891+, Z16910+, etc.

An important goal of this project is to discover the full deep ancestral family tree of paternal lineages for all R1b-S1026 people. This will help us understand the origins of R1b-S1026 as a whole, at the subclade levels and down to the genealogical family tree level. The primary method of marking branches in the tree are SNPs so this project is for people who are interested in SNP testing.  

The R1b-S1026 project administrators will automatically add members to the appropriate R1b-S1026 subclade project as test results dictate and as those projects are available.

Key steps for you to take

1. You must have a test result with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA.) To read more about DNA testing check the "DNA FAQ" item in the menu above. National Genographic Project testees can easily join, but first you must transfer your test results to FTDNA by following the instructions at your National Genographic web page.

2. To join this project select on “Join request” on the menu bar above and login with your FTDNA account ID and password.

3. Update your paternal origins information from the “MyAccount” menu after logged into your myFTDNA web page. Select “Most Distant Ancestors” and complete the information for your “Paternal Direct” most distant (oldest) ancestor. Please enter only information that is not speculative. Enter first and last names, birth year and as specific a birth and origin location as you can in the “Name” field. For example, “James Welch, b.c.1812, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland”. For the “Country of Origin” field, please be as specific as possible. For instance, rather than select “United Kingdom” please pick either Northern Ireland, Scotland, England or Wales if you know that information. Add the latitude and longitude information as well so that the automatic maps can be drawn properly.

4. Join the Facebook discussion group at http://www.facebook.com/groups/R1b.YDNA/. Project administrators and advanced hobbyists are available on the R1b Y DNA project Facebook forum so you can get help and share ideas. If you don't like Facebook please use the project's FTDNA Activity Feed for communications with project administrators.

5. If you have not yet tested to 67 Y STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) please upgrade. R1b is young so it is hard to discern between subgroups and potential relatives oftentimes without 67 STRs. 111 STR testing is preferable, but 67 is the minimum needed.

7. Move forward with an Single-Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) testing plan so your subclade can be identified. A Big Y test is a solid option that gives you very good coverage of the Y DNA SNPs.

Single-Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs) are critical for R1b people. R1b is both a very large group and relatively young. Most European R1b paternal lineages are related within the last several thousand years. That means that R1b STR based haplotypes often look alike. The most common pattern of Y STRs is the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH). Most R1b people match several components of it. It is just a remnant of the fact we are closely related. SNPs help differentiate the branches of R1b’s descendancy tree.

R1b-S1026 itself, the main branch of our tree, is marked by the SNP S1026. We all are S1026+ since it was present in our common ancestor, a single prehistoric man. R1b-S1026 already has a number of branches that are marked by SNPs. The number of branches discovered continues to grow.

Many of these branches have coincidentally matching Y STRs. In other words, their branches appear to cross. This gives us false matches.This is definitely a problem with limited haplotypes of 12 and 25 STR markers. Getting up to 37 helps, but 67 is really needed. Most members are now going to 111 STRs.

STRs are very useful for general guidance and for matching at the very recent family level, but they are not 100% reliable since some mutate relatively quickly and go both up and down and back to where they started from.

A little more about SNPs

SNPs are much more reliable markers for our paternal lineages. Theoretically, they are permanent throughout eternity so they reliably show our branching of paternal lineages. The number of SNPs available for testing is growing as more and more advanced testing is developed. You will want to identify your terminal SNP, which is the youngest SNP mutation that you have, that is on a formal Y DNA tree. Your terminal SNP tells you where you fit from a deep ancestral perspective.

SNP testing can:

1) make you more efficient by avoiding false matches when checking for potential genealogical relationships,

2) help you identify deep ancestral family, clan or historical origins,"

3) show you what geographic locations might produce additional matches and pertinent genealogical or historical information and

4) benefit all R1b people in general, as well as science, because we'll have a better understanding of how and when this lineage of men spread across Europe as rapidly and as dominantly as it did.

For additional information on SNP testing please visit http://dna-explained.com/2012/08/10/to-snp-or-not-to-snp/

The more of us who test and share our information, the more we will all know. When you join this project, you have granted permission to place your Y SNP and STR data into the public domain, from which it can never be retrieved. We do not publish your full given name or contact info.

Thank you for your consideration.