RL21 4466&SouthIrish

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Randy Harnett Randy Harnett
January 27 @ 8:56am
My earliest know paternal Irish ancestor is John Har(t)nett born 1794 in Lismore, Co. Waterford. Autosomal dna matches point to him having a brother Thomas born there in 1796.
Kevin Sullivan
February 13 @ 3:46pm
My GG Grandmother, Mary Hartnett (Sullivan) - married my GG Grandfather, John James Sullivan in Newburyport, MA 1860
Randy Harnett
February 19 @ 1:15pm
Kevin was your gggandmother born in us or in Ireland?
Edward Smith Edward Smith
January 14 @ 8:24pm
In my genealogy search I look first at data then surnames. Mine changed to Smith when my Sullivan grandfather was adopted. My terminal SNP is A1133. I see various surname matched with L21, L270, CTS4466 and haplotypes downstream from mine. While Sullivan matches far surpass others, my L21 matches show South Irish, Welsh, Northern Irish, German and Scottish origins. We know that celtic and tribal cultures in the late Bronze and Iron ages involved wave migrations and trade routes between Europe and Ireland.
Edward Smith
January 14 @ 8:31pm
My point, ancient genealogy research informs hypotheses and theories that can bridge to documented family histories and linkages to our true relatives and lufe stories. I appreciate how others in projects like this are open to fresh ideas on how our Irish roots puzzle pieces may tie together over many generations.
Jeremiah Ross
January 27 @ 7:05am
Hi Ed, My Ross line is connected to Sullivan, O'Mahony, and Hurley in SW County Cork around Bantry and the greater peninsula area. Sullivan is the biggest surname connection in that area. Just thought this might be of interest.
Jimmy Miller c/o Lara Jimmy Miller c/o Lara has a question!
January 26 @ 6:46pm
Hello, my name is Lara & I manage my uncle Jimmy's DNA. HIS Big Y-700 results just came in & ihe is haplogroup R-Z39298 (positive for L21) but I don't know about CTS4466. Can someone tell me if he should be in this project?
Paul O'Donnell
January 26 @ 9:45pm
Lara, You are not CTS4466, there are a number of projects that you can join and I suggest that you take some time and look through "myProjects", but do join R DF21 and subclades https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join?group=R-DF21&;
Jimmy Miller c/o Lara
January 26 @ 9:49pm
Thanks, I will unjoin.
Robert Eadie Robert Eadie
January 12 @ 10:54am
Thanks for letting me join. I am L21 DF13 Z39589 and I notice that there are a number of members in your group with a similar pedigree. What I am interested in is the statement about the Corcu Loígde here - http://sites.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/ireclan2.htm?fbclid=IwAR2RtLqRCnzpM-a1ZcjbN-t6dqoB3sGf69cpftJbiQ2-6pCQ5p3BjsJ8MSk The Eady spelling of my name at that link really interests me as my family tree documentation has some of the documents with the spelling that way. Looking at some of the records there appears to be some around Clonakilty with the same spelling of the name today. I would be very interested if you ever knew of any of these who had YDNA tested. Again while my paper trail goes to Scotland I would be interested in seeing with Dalriada and the links with Cork if there were any matches there. Thanks in advance
Robert Eadie
January 12 @ 11:11am
Can I ask as well how many testers you would have in the region that are L1335. I know this is called Little Scots but owing to the link above would be interested to see if that mutation was common around Cork
Ronald Howie
January 14 @ 10:01am
You might write to Alex Williamson at his Little Scots site about where the border Scots settled. He has studied them longer than I have.
David Miller David Miller
January 2 @ 2:27pm
Hello So far there is only one other person using ftDNA that has the same haplogroup as I. He is located in/around/near Clonmel, Tipperary (Kevin O`Toole) Here in the U.S. I have only been to trace the my Miller line back to 1826 Massachusetts where my Great, Great, Great Grandfather was born. I know he was a sailor who moved to the Baltimore, Maryland area, had a wife (Catherine) and three children, (Mary A., Amanda, and Charles Richard Stanley MIller). So what I do not know and obviously what I am trying to is find out about the 4x great grandparents and where in Ireland or England they came from. My suspicions from my Haplogroup match is they were from southern/mid Ireland. So that is where I am so far in my research.
David Miller David Miller
December 31 @ 8:28pm
Hello, I just joined the group and wanted to say hello to everyone. I also want to let the admins and those heavily into DNA research that I have a completed Y-700. My Haplogroup is R-BY152628 and kit number is B180520.
Edward Smith Edward Smith
December 8, 2018 @ 1:20pm
I'm a genealogy novice but am a quick learner. My Ancestry and FTDna (67) tests both show strong ancestry to West Cork and the Beara Peninsula. My given surname is Smith but family history says he was born John Lawrence Sullivan in Fall River, Massachusetts. His grandparents were Irish born, with either O'Sullivan or Sullivan surname. My aim is to find the ancestral family links back to Ireland on my father's side. My autosomal test has been uploaded to FamilyTree (kit 871535) and my GedMatch kit is A593344.
Edward Smith
December 8, 2018 @ 1:25pm
John L. Sullivan was my paternal grandfather, b. 1883 or 1886, d. 1946, whose adopted name became James Lawrence Smith. All of my grandparents' ancestors were early immigrant settlers in the New Jersey area.
Andrew Roberts
July 16 @ 10:45am
Have you checked the pedigrees on GEDMATCH, as sticking in your kit number suggests a few possibilities, as a starting point, e.g. Gedcom: 7033725, 7609525, 2467876, ... from a “GEDCOM + DNA matches” search on kit: A593344 As they’re all related to you, and in a dozen cases have Irish ancestors from known locales, with a few appearing to be on the Co Cork / Kerry border. So you could grab a map and start plotting, to locate any significant clusters. Also as an Ancestry Kit, if you have any significant Irish heritage, beyond a Y-Chromosome, they’ll likely list a number of the 60 Irish populations / locales, they’ve identified as hosting bodies who share a proportion of your DNA, to narrow down the search, see: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/List-of-AncestryDNA-Regions
Jonathan Rocha
November 24 @ 11:19am
Dear Edward: Smith may have been a name that immigrants chose at Ellis Island, but you should know that Smith also has a clan tartan and is also an Irish clan name.
Daniel Colangelo (Redmond) Daniel Colangelo (Redmond) has a question!
October 28 @ 12:15pm
Hello all, I recently received my big Y results (kit #864214) and see that I land in the R-BY84873 branch. I have a few questions about translating the data that I hope some of you who are more experienced can help me begin to understand. My biological father was a Redmond. We can trace our line to a Thomas Bruce Redmond, born in Virginia in 1895; but living, working, and dying in New York City where my father and his siblings were born. I realize that Redmond (and certainly Colangelo) are not typical South/ Munster Irish surnames, although the data suggests that the patrilineal blood in my veins happens to be. 1) I see that I am the only Redmond in my branch (otherwise populated by 2 O'Leary men) and that I am the only identifiable Redmond in the sub-CTS4466 population. Does the data suggest then that there has been an NPE, deviating my Redmond from the O'Leary surname in the past few centuries; or is it reasonable to assume that perhaps the sample size is not statistically significant enough to draw an conclusion as to which surname is the root (if either at all)? If there is another way to look at this, I welcome your perspectives. 2) There are 3 other big y tested surnames in this project that show a closer proximity to my results by way of STR differences than the first R-BY84873 O'Leary match that is listed, with a closer generational proximity also implied by the first 3. How can this be? It seems to me as though concise y-700 branch matches would be the closest matches to a given kit. I welcome the feedback from any of you who wish to join in or opine. I am trying to develop a more firm understanding of the data and our common roots that I can pass along so it is not lost to time. Cheers
2 Comments
John Moore
October 28 @ 12:52pm
Daniel, please join the CTS4466Plus project https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-cts4466-plus/about/background (from Sharon Kelly/co-admin CTS4466Plus) I handle 1st cousin, John Moore's account.
Sharon George Redmond
November 14 @ 8:04pm
Hi, Daniel. My husband is also a Redmond. His ancestry was done by Ancestry.com. How far back can you trace your roots?
Daniel Colangelo (Redmond)
November 18 @ 4:22pm
Hi Sharon, unfortunately, no farther back than my grandfather; Thomas Bruce Redmond. Census data and public record corroborates the family's belief that he was born in Portsmouth, Virginia in 1895. I have hit a research roadblock regarding any information on his parents or their origins. Having the Hiberno-Norman surname, no autosomal Redmond matches and the Irish Type II haplotype has left me with lots of questions. All of the Redmond surname information readily available online generally points to Hiberno or Cambro-Norman origins localized in Wexford or Connacht, seemingly incongruent with what I understand to be the prevailing theories on CTS4466 its down stream branches.
Jonathan Rocha
November 21 @ 11:18am
Daniel: If you have this grandfather's name, then were you not able to locate him on the US Census records for 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930? It seems to me that he should show up in the public records and that ought to lead to discovery of his parents or caregivers. Doing just a casual search on family search, I found his World War I draft records, where his date of birth is given as 12 October 1897. He registered for the Draft in New York City in 1917, so he was already living there before the census of 1920. His nearest relative is given as his sister, Annie Redmond, living in Portsmouth, Virginia with a full address listed on the document. This document can be viewed online. Census records not found yet. You can send off to NARA and ask for a copy of this draft registration document - I did so for my maternal grandfather and it will contain his signature and his parental information. That helped me in my research. I also found him married to a woman named Madeleine in 1930 Census in Brooklyn, New York. He has changed his age to 1893 to catch up to his wife, who was born in 1892, and they have a one year old son, so they have been married for at least two years and she brought her daughter from a previous marriage with her to form this new family. His world war 2 registration in Brroklyn is also available to be viewed online and on that document he gives Portsmouth, VA as his birth place. There probably were not any birth certificates yet. Most Americans born before 1912 do not have any.
Gregory Smith Gregory Smith has a question!
November 16 @ 12:38am
In my grouping it says: "zR-M207 M173 M343 L754 L389 P297 M269 aaa Need lower level SNP testing". What does this mean? What is the best way forward? Thanks.
Russell Sullivan
November 19 @ 1:58pm
The phrase "lower level SNP testing" refers to the way the phylogenetic tree is displayed from top to bottom similar to a vertically displayed family tree. When you look at the SNPs you displayed in your question it is displayed horizontally (i.e., zR-M207, M173, etc... ). Make that vertical in orientation and you see that you've been tested to the M269 level. If you test for more detail (i.e., Big Y700), then put the SNPs in their place after M269, you are testing to a lower level (vertically speaking).
Russell Sullivan
November 19 @ 2:01pm
Sorry, didn't finish answering your question, did I? Your way forward depends on your goals. An admin can do an evaluation of your current test, in conjunction with your close matches, and "predict" your terminal SNP. But, to be sure, either a targeted test or Big Y700 test will give you a definitive answer.
Herb Roe Herb Roe has a question!
July 13 @ 6:33am
Just wondering, what is the difference between A1136 and A1135? I know they are equivalents, along with Z21065, but are they actually the same or just one small mutation away from each other? I'm A1136, while one of my close matches is A1135 ( surname match who we have confirmed through genealogy that we have a MRCA about 250 years ago in a man born in 1753. )
4 Comments
Ronald Howie
October 28 @ 7:35pm
Sometimes the terminal SNP listed by family tree is a conservative position until more testers match your SNP. As others match nearly all of your own SNPS, the order of the same SNPs can change. Ronnie
Herb Roe
October 29 @ 3:38pm
Ronald, I'm the first of my close matches (genetic distance of 3 or 4 at 67 or 111 markers) to take the Big Y. All of my other matches who have taken it are at best a genetic distance of 6 or 7 at 67 markers and do not show up at all at 111 markers. One of my closer matches (our genealogical MRCA was born in 1753, about 8 generations ago) has taken the cts4466 SNP pack (as have I to get the A1136 result), but not the Big Y and doesn't seem interested in doing so. My own Big Y results should be finished in about a month (barring any extensions). It could be a long wait before any of them jump in and I get the feeling it will be awhile before any of my private SNPs get whittled down (once I actually receive them anyway). At this point I'm more interested in seeing how we fit with other A1135 families such as the Crowleys, who show up the closest to me on STR tests. I checked for T R and G R at ancestry, but they did not pop up in my matches. We are either very distantly related, or they are another Roe family altogether.
Ronald Howie
October 30 @ 12:10am
They could easily be another family. TR and GR are my niece and nephew whose Roe ancestors lived at Sherman, Texas. Many years ago I inherited a WWII knife case that has a Roe name on it. Thought that he might have served with an uncle of mine in the 7th Infantry Division.
Herb Roe
October 30 @ 1:13am
My fathers half uncle Herbert Russell Roe was a vet of WW2. I can't remember his unit right off hand, but he spent the war in North Africa and Europe, and since the 7th was in the Pacific, I doubt it was him.