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Michał Milewski Michał Milewski
Admin
October 23, 2016 @ 6:14am
Dear Project Members! Before you ask any questions here, please read the following instructions posted on an R1a project blog that is run by our co-admin Artur Martyka: http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/02/normal-0-21-false-false-false-pl-x-none_9.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/03/normal-0-21-false-false-false-pl-x-none.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/03/basic-understanding-of-categories-you.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/11/ordering-and-comparison-of-single-snps.html If you are a new project member, please go to our project's DNA Results page (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/default.aspx?vgroup=r1a&section=yresults) to see which specific category you have been assigned to by our admin team based on your STR and SNP results (this will also show our specific recommendations for your further testing). You may wish to increase the size of that page (from 500 to 8500) to see your STR haplotype being shown among all remaining haplotypes belonging to our project's members (otherwise you will need to visit all subpages one by one before finding your STR haplotype placed in a specific category). In case the classic chart doesn't work (for some technical reasons), try the colorized chart instead (page size 15000). Keep in mind that it may take a day or two before your newly joined/received results are assigned to a proper category by one of our admins, so please be patient. Also, you need to stay logged in (as a project member) to see the results of all project members, including those who don't want their results to be seen by non-members. This includes your own result in case you have not made it available to all visitors. In case you don't have any STR results (which concerns many people who have transferred their Genographic results to FTDNA), you should consider ordering at least 37 (and better 67 or 111) Y-DNA STR markers, which is needed to assign you to a specific category and to make any specific advice regarding your further testing. Thank you for joining us in our quest to investigate our shared deep paternal ancestry!
83 Comments
Amit Singh
March 1 @ 10:58pm
I recently just joined but cannot find my it number on the charts. Is there a way to quick search my kit number? Thanks!
Michał Milewski
March 17 @ 2:59pm
Amit, please just read the first post in this thread. The instruction is there.
...... Constantin
April 24 @ 4:05pm
"Keep in mind that it may take a day or two before your newly joined/received results are assigned to a proper category by one of our admins, so please be patient." Waiting for 1.5 months with my YP5227 (-).
Valery Tsiaseika
May 22 @ 9:50am
Dear Admins! My R1a - Z280 SNP Pack is ready - could you please regroup my kit (MI43611). Thanks
Artur Martyka Artur Martyka
Admin
May 29, 2018 @ 12:50pm
*IMPORTANT* Dear R1a Project members You may have recently read about or heard of a number of changes to projects and privacy settings of all FTDNA Testers. (This is a new law - GDPR - which has begun). For me, the most important thing you can do for me right now, is to log into your FTDNA personal home page and hover your cursor over your name on the top right hand side and click on <Privacy and Sharing> and work through the privacy options. When complete, click on the tab right next to the <Privacy and Sharing> called <Project Preferences> For R1a Project that I administer along with other staff members, please click on “EDIT” then grant me ‘Limited Access’. (Full access is available only if you give me your kit number and password). Please grant access also to other staff members of R1a Project, all if possible. Otherwise, we won't be able to work on the haplotypes of some project members, whose profiles are locked. Best,
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Artur Martyka
December 27 @ 11:25am
Hello Slava, Y2905 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2905/) is a totally different R1a branch than Y2902 (https://yfull.com/tree/R-Y2902/)
Thomas Brown
February 8 @ 1:54am
Hello Pedro, I don't see where anyone has answered your question, but I'll give it a whack . . . If you are asking what your old longhand "alphabet soup" might be, the best I can offer is that you seem to be downstream about four stops or so from R1a1b2a3! Pretty cumbersome, I know, which is why it's just easier to use the shorthand R-BY32011 which tells us your terminal SNP and its prefix -- in this case "BY" -- tells us it was "discovered" by "Big Y."
Raymond Garnett
February 24 @ 7:01pm
Hey Artur Martyka...I did as you asked above about granting you and other administrators "Limited Access" to my info by following your instructions above. Let me know if there is anything else I need to do for ya'll...thanks, Terry
Ralph Looman-Suprunowski
March 17 @ 3:27am
Really sounds complex. Steep learning curve.
Aaron Bittner Aaron Bittner
May 26 @ 2:28pm
So, having come up as an R-M173 on a Family Tree Y-111 test, I'm wondering if additional testing is worth pursuing. Am I in some sub-group under R-M173, or is that the end of the line? Kit no. 650364.
2 Comments
NFI Vance
June 6 @ 7:34am
So you have some options at this point. Upgrade to BigY is one. Or get what is called an SNP Pack which will likely help define a subclade.
NFI Vance
June 6 @ 7:44am
So there is a SNP Pack called R1a-Backbone which should help you get some definition below R-M173, unless you are in some new/rare subclade. Note R-M173 is R1, not R1a. My suggestion of the SNP pack assumes that you are R1a as you stated above. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_%28Y-DNA%29 and http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,2247.msg72042.html#msg72042
Aaron Bittner
June 11 @ 4:58am
I do understand that R-M173 is R1, not R1a. I am, in that case, possibly dealing with some disparate results. FTDNA has declared me an R-M173 (a.k.a. R1) on the basis of a Y-111 test; not a small data set, but rather big enough to provide some certainty I would think. But then I type my test info in at http://www.nevgen.org/, and it takes the categorization one step further to R1a... Unequivocally, 100% R1a from the results I got. But it can't tell me anything further than that (and I played with the settings for a while). So now I'm seeing all sorts of associations on the web between English R1a's and Norwegian Viking heritage, associations which may or may not be 100 percent ironclad. I suppose going with the R1a-Backbone SNP Pack will help to sort all this out.
NFI Vance
June 16 @ 6:59am
Y-STR testing even at the high number of values you have tested is subject to a thing called homoplasy. My results had this issue until I SNP tested. Initially I was characterized as R-Z93 in error. After SNP testing (and ultimately BigY) I've ended up on a branch that is very different (under Z92) and separated from a common ancestor of Z93 2 thousand years before Z93 split. In a few words, homoplasy is when your attributes are shared with another dna line. One option you have is to take a single high level SNP test to check wether you are R1a or not. Maybe M-198? Or if confident, just go for the SNP Pack rather than being nickled and dimed to death, which is what happened in my case. I can blame the technology moving on me, but in reality Family Tree DNA got just what their sales people wanted - lots of my dough to get a definitive answer.
Boris Stefanov Boris Stefanov
June 16 @ 12:43am
Why am I sorted into "Z282>Z280>CTS1211>YP343>YP340>P278.2-y1 (more STRs and P278 or Big Y needed)" when I ran the Z280 SNP pack and was clearly positive for YP-371? There seems to be a YP-371 group.
Michael Wilson Michael Wilson
May 17 @ 11:49pm
Just received my Big Y 700 results. It did not change my Haplogroup or open me up to any new matches or countries of origin. I'm wondering where to go from here.
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Thomas Brown
May 19 @ 9:12am
I went to R-Y61291 after doing Big Y on my son. Since my own original Big Y, I have had three different "terminal" SNPs, moving further downstream each time as the envelope became better defined: YP5686>BY30527>Y61291. We've since added my son's 5th cousin (our MRCA was born in 1770), and we are now moving outside our known circle of ancestors to test another Brown family line. We should be hearing from that test in July. I initially assumed a descriptive surname such as "Brown" must be scattered pretty randomly, mostly unrelated, but I am beginning to suspect -- when you look downstream of R-L664, at least --- that we just might all prove to be one big happy family! It is interesting to note, btw, that the Brown-Browne-Braun study currently has 1,880 members, but only one of those is a non-L664 R1a. He spells his name "Browne!"
Michael Wilson
May 19 @ 11:41pm
My grandmother, on my Mother's side of the family was a Brown. William R. Brown, born abt. 1787 NC, was my 3rd great grandfather. He came to Texas from Alabama and received land grants for his service in the Texas War of Independence of 1836. My 2nd great grandfather was Caleb McCloud Brown born 1833. He died in the Civil War. My great grandfather was Thomas Monroe Brown born 1860, a cowboy and later a rancher. My grandmother was Tommie Pearl Brown born in 1888.She married John Pace. I thought I would share just in case we are related.
Thomas Brown
May 28 @ 2:21pm
I'm guessing that you're here courtesy of your paternal Wilson R1a line, Michael, but if your maternal grandfather belonged to an R-L664 subclade, we really need to talk! "Thomas" seems to carry some significance in your grandmother's family; it's merely incidental within my own clan, being the name of my mother's father and also her maternal grandfather. While I have nearly 12,000 names in my tree at Ancestry, "Thomas" appears only 208 times and then often as the Welsh surname. It often amused our college football coach to intone "Tom Brown's School Days" whenever he saw me, but I have found only two distant members of my family who actually share the name.
Gary Harper
June 10 @ 10:53pm
You might find this interesting. I am YP358, downstream of L664. Out of my 2662 autosomal matches, 172 are a Brown, or have a Brown listed, in their family tree. 18 are paternal, and 29 are maternal matches. I am supposed to be a 4th cousin or something to the Browns of Northampton County, PA, on my mom's side; but so far, I have not found that link. 130 of matches, list the surname Wilson in their trees, or are Wilsons; 15 are paternal, and 16, maternal. This may be statistically insignificant, and incidental. But when I search other surnames, I often get 0 matches.
Michael Klabe Michael Klabe
May 16 @ 11:01am
Kit E15763 is now tested positive for YP619 and negative for YP4647, BY30715 and Y34164.
Michael Klabe
June 10 @ 9:12am
that means for E15763 final SNP R-L1029 could be changed into R-YP619 :-)
Krzysztof Dobrzynski Krzysztof Dobrzynski has a question!
March 28 @ 3:55pm
Hi all. I did Y700. Result came as Y33. I used YFull and they put me as Y33*. My kit here is IN21855 and on my line still is a message that Big Y is needed. I understand that I might be very rare case.
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Mark Barta
April 2 @ 11:27am
I guess a simpler way to put it: If you have BigY tested, and the Haplotree is offering "downstream" single SNP tests, there are two possible reasons it is being offered. 1) You tested negative for that SNP on the BigY(you'll have to search for that SNP on your BigY results page, as negative results don't get transferred between the two systems for some reason). 2) You had a "no call" event happen where FTDNA didn't determine "conclusively" if you were + or - for that marker... And thus might want to test the single SNP. If you had tested positive for that marker, they would have placed you in the downstream branch of the haplotree.
Mark Fursov
June 8 @ 3:10pm
Hello! K. Trot, have you taken the Big Y? I administer ethnic Estonian R1a-Y33>YP6009. Krzysztof, hopefully in the near future Big Y-700 will be ordered for Estonian kit as well, maybe some new subbranches appear.
K. Trot
June 9 @ 7:12am
as I know my kit is Lithuanian from the old Prussians there is still an Estonian branch?
A. Trot
June 9 @ 7:18am
that's me now the other my father
Bob Golembicki Bob Golembicki has a question!
June 3 @ 3:18pm
I ordered the Big Y700 upgrade and it was batched 2 months ago, and is still showing pending without a date for completed. Just curious if anyone can tell me if that's a normal time delay. Thank you, Bob, kit #N141774
EJ Priespilis
June 3 @ 5:22pm
Hi Bob, it's helpful if you provided your kit's information so there can be a basis for comparison. My pending Big-Y is an upgrade from an existing Y-111, batched on April 22, into batch 960 and it's currently due July 1 and thereafter. You probably have an estimated completion date. You have to click on the Big Y "Awaiting Results" button on the right side of the home page.
Bob Golembicki
June 4 @ 4:37pm
I'm batch 954, it's an upgrade from Big Y to 700. No date is listed, but based on your info, that sounds normal. Thx, Bob
EJ Priespilis
June 7 @ 10:06am
Ive seen other people in batch 954 say their estimated date is June 10 -17. So you may be close.
Mikhail Ravinski Mikhail Ravinski
June 2 @ 3:32pm
Genographic Project Prepares to Shut Down Consumer Data Base. https://dna-explained.com/2019/06/01/genographic-project-prepares-to-shut-down/
Andrey Rudnev Andrey Rudnev
June 1 @ 8:18pm
Hi all! I joined the project in the beginning of May and remain ungrouped yet. Any assignment? Kit #IN38984. Thank you!
Mihail Bushenev
June 2 @ 6:16am
Hi, you have not test on any SNP, probably because of this your result is ungrouped. Predictor on http://www.nevgen.org/ evaluates 51% probability to your haplotype is R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP417. However 51% is not that big value, so i recommend you variants: upgrade to 67 markers, order R1a SNP-pack, or at least order SNP L1029 as fisrt step and if positive, order YP417 next.
David Wright David Wright has a question!
May 31 @ 3:22pm
I have tried for months to get my husband's David Wright Kit No. 848757 results for this project. Any suggestions on how I can get all 18 pages to come up. I once saw he was ungrouped, and at the last of the almost 9000 members. Now I can't get it to open all the pages.
Bobby Martin
May 31 @ 7:48pm
Getting all pages to come up at once requires a lot of resources. It takes lots of memory, a good connection and time. May I suggest that you go to the Y37 matches and show only those columns. Increase the number per page for 500 to 1500 and see if your computer can handle the load. Adjust the number per page as necessary. Then find the page your kit is on. Remember the combination so you can relatively quickly get to the grouping you are interested in.
Bobby Martin
May 31 @ 7:52pm
37 Markers, 1500 per page will make your sample show up on Page 7
David Wright
June 1 @ 11:34am
Thank you. I will try these ideas. I have tried the y37 but not lowering to 1500.
Sergei Khramov Sergei Khramov has a question!
May 21 @ 12:19pm
Добрый вечер! Просьба сгруппировать с возможным присвоением примерного субклада для IN62835.
Andrew Ross
May 30 @ 7:37pm
Translation: "Good evening! Please group with possible assignment of an approximate subclade for"