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Michał Milewski Michał Milewski
Admin
October 23, 2016 @ 6:14am
Dear Project Members! Before you ask any questions here, please read the following instructions posted on an R1a project blog that is run by our co-admin Artur Martyka: http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/02/normal-0-21-false-false-false-pl-x-none_9.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/03/normal-0-21-false-false-false-pl-x-none.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/03/basic-understanding-of-categories-you.html http://r1aproject.blogspot.com/2016/11/ordering-and-comparison-of-single-snps.html If you are a new project member, please go to our project's DNA Results page (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/default.aspx?vgroup=r1a&section=yresults) to see which specific category you have been assigned to by our admin team based on your STR and SNP results (this will also show our specific recommendations for your further testing). You may wish to increase the size of that page (from 500 to 8500) to see your STR haplotype being shown among all remaining haplotypes belonging to our project's members (otherwise you will need to visit all subpages one by one before finding your STR haplotype placed in a specific category). In case the classic chart doesn't work (for some technical reasons), try the colorized chart instead (page size 15000). Keep in mind that it may take a day or two before your newly joined/received results are assigned to a proper category by one of our admins, so please be patient. Also, you need to stay logged in (as a project member) to see the results of all project members, including those who don't want their results to be seen by non-members. This includes your own result in case you have not made it available to all visitors. In case you don't have any STR results (which concerns many people who have transferred their Genographic results to FTDNA), you should consider ordering at least 37 (and better 67 or 111) Y-DNA STR markers, which is needed to assign you to a specific category and to make any specific advice regarding your further testing. Thank you for joining us in our quest to investigate our shared deep paternal ancestry!
137 Comments
Aaron Bittner
September 23 @ 8:56am
There is an admin for Z280? That would apply to me as well.
Sergei Leonov
September 23 @ 3:23pm
There is but he has some temporary personal circumstances. Please, be patient, it will take some time. He thanks you.
Данила Павлов
October 25 @ 3:49am
Добрый день! Я Павлов Данила (Москва) - новый участник проекта, и не могу найти себя в таблице. Мой предок Вьючной Микита (1685г.р.). Мой кит L10305. M198-....-L1029-YP263 (на 47,5% по Невгену). Жду итогов Биг-700 на декабрь. Спасибо.
Sergei Leonov
October 26 @ 11:43am
4. ..>Z282>PF6155>M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029-x Y-111 (predicted by STR markers. BigY Needed) Вот ваша группа сейчас. И ждите своего BigY, пожалуйста. Там будет все ясно.
Artur Martyka Artur Martyka
Admin
May 29, 2018 @ 12:50pm
*IMPORTANT* Dear R1a Project members You may have recently read about or heard of a number of changes to projects and privacy settings of all FTDNA Testers. (This is a new law - GDPR - which has begun). For me, the most important thing you can do for me right now, is to log into your FTDNA personal home page and hover your cursor over your name on the top right hand side and click on <Privacy and Sharing> and work through the privacy options. When complete, click on the tab right next to the <Privacy and Sharing> called <Project Preferences> For R1a Project that I administer along with other staff members, please click on “EDIT” then grant me ‘Limited Access’. (Full access is available only if you give me your kit number and password). Please grant access also to other staff members of R1a Project, all if possible. Otherwise, we won't be able to work on the haplotypes of some project members, whose profiles are locked. Best,
31 Comments
Jordi Mestres
November 27, 2019 @ 12:39pm
This is indeed a very nice way to summarise the main R1a clades, made by one of the Administrators of this R1a project. Many thanks for that! Unfortunately, it is over 3 years old and lots of new subclades are known today that were not known back in 2016. In fact, the potential degree of granularity that one could achieve with current subclade knowledge would perhaps require splitting that R1a general YTree at least into the 4 main clades that emerged 4,500 years ago: L664, Z284, Z280, and Z2124. In 3-5 years from now, the depth of knowledge on many branches may potentially allow for learning about the exact SNP and the very moment when lineages split into different surnames.
NFI Vance
November 27, 2019 @ 8:06pm
Donald Stassel
February 26 @ 6:54pm
NFI Vance, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! This is a beautiful diagram and very well organized. Kudos to the graphic designer and for all the people who contributed to its data.
NFI Vance
March 5 @ 6:46am
You are very welcome Donald. Happy to share. And Jordi - you don't know what you are talking about. It's not designed to go into total detail. That is not its purpose and if you want excruciating detail go to YFull and see the whole tree.
Levy Gonzales Levy Gonzales
2 hours ago
I have a question please. Big Y 700 test results show six matches. One variant is shared with each. But 25 or more SNP variants are not shared with each of the six matches. Given the number of nonshared matches, I assume my match is only distantly related to the others. Perhaps 1,000 years or greater to a common male ancestor. Am I understanding correctly that the number of nonshared matches is an indication of time? Thank you.
James Brazas James Brazas
October 31 @ 11:06am
Good afternoon. Is there anyone here who can tell me more about Haplogroup R-FT191698? That is the new, updated result from the Big Y 700 test. We are trying to piece together our family history despite a lack of records.
Sergei Leonov
November 1 @ 4:54am
Your branch is European: https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP371/ When you have a big selection with the same ethnic background, you could say which ethnic branch is in real. Now we have very mall amount of SNPs with this criteria.
James Brazas
November 12 @ 3:35pm
I see. R-YP371 is far upstream of R-FT191698. I had thought that the new, more specific results of R-FT191698 might give me a more specific answer. It sounds like I just have the bad luck of having rare genes. If it doesn't really tell me anything more specific than "European", then that's not terribly helpful. I appreciate the response, though. Thank you, and have a great day.
Darrell Gabbard
November 14 @ 8:15am
I feel like you too. I had the y-111 test done and I still feel like I'm stuck out in the cheap seats. lol au tests reveal that my fathers mother cheated and that I was now researching a new branch on the DNA tree and came to another snag.
James Brazas
November 23 @ 9:25am
@Darrell Gabbard Agreed. I bought the Big Y 700 almost a year ago, but it seems it still hasn't helped illuminate anything. Due to a lack of records and a lack of surviving family members, I may never know where the family comes from. But I suppose that's life. I'm sorry to hear about your difficulties.
Darrell Gabbard Darrell Gabbard has a question!
October 27 @ 9:18pm
my ? is how long of a wait does it take to process the results of the Y-111 when I get to see some green tested positive other that yellow presumed positive or downstream blue.
Mark Barta
October 30 @ 5:54pm
You only get a green test result when you test SNP's rather than STR's. All STR's can do is predict your likely terminal haplotype or its relevant "neighborhood." As it is only a prediction, the yellow is all you get.
Darrell Gabbard
October 30 @ 6:13pm
well if another stimulus check comes out I'll upgrade to the 700 lol
Darrell Gabbard
November 20 @ 10:35pm
so since I'm at the end of group 8 because ??? do i need to purchase the Z284 snp pack to get linked in elsewhere??
Charles Real Charles Real has a question!
November 19 @ 9:49am
Ok. Once more into the breach. Its been some time back that I last asked about others with the R1a subclade YP943. So far, I've only found two males with that subclade. I would like to find more so as to narrow down the geographical area of my ancestors. Right now, YP943 could indicate a Viking or Saxon origin that ended up in Ireland. Any other YP943 carriers? Thanks.
Khalid jamjoom
November 20 @ 6:04pm
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP943/ There is one in Britain
Alparslan Erkul Alparslan Erkul
November 20 @ 12:34am
Hello. I had the Y37 test and the results came as R-M198. Also, all of my matches came from Y12. Can we say the matches will be more specific if I upgrade to BigY? Thanks.
Jordi Mestres
November 20 @ 2:29am
They will be way more specific. Bear in mind STRs go up and down with generations. Beyond genealogical times, STRs may give you spurious matches. In contrast, SNPs are fixed in your Y-DNA and allow you to trace your male line with precision. With them, you can go as deep in the YTree (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M198/) as possible. Having said that, FamilyTreeDNA is doing a rather BAD job in managing matches. They allow claiming as a match a person with a Y-12 distance of 0-2, even though your deepest common SNP may be far away from any of your closest BigY matches, for which you may have large Y-12/Y-25/Y-37/Y111 distances. In this respect, they have a business attitude of matching, far from a genetic genealogy perspective: they want you to have lots of Y-12 matches, so you believe you found distance cousins and get excited about, but they don't call as matches men with which you may be sharing your deepest SNP. In this respect, YFull is much better in managing matches. This may be the reason why FTDNA opted for charging extra if you want to download the BAM file: to prevent customers from getting the data from FTDNA and deposit it in YFull for the analysis and matches. So, altogether, BigY will certainly give you a more specific view of your matches, it is a good test at an affordable price, but you ought to know you will most likely receive a bad management of your SNP matches.
Alparslan Erkul
November 20 @ 6:58am
Thank you very very much, Jordi.
Thomas Brown
November 20 @ 2:29pm
Jordi, it's more than just a bit unfair of you to suggest that FTDNA might charge for the BAM file download out of spite in some sort of turf war with YFull. The old "Big Y-700" pricing structure included the download charge which meant that everyone -- whether or not they actually required a BAM file -- was paying for one. By charging individually now for the BAM file, those who don't require it are no longer subsidizing those of us who do choose to forward our results to YFull. This permits a lower initial price although, for those of us who do use YFull, this "savings" essentially becomes a wash. Although I've previously used YFull's services, I'll admit I did not use it on the two Big Y upgrades I purchased after the new pricing went into effect. Maybe the $100 fee was now a "psychological barrier" for me? Or perhaps, since I was picking up the tab to upgrade the tests of others, I just opted to take my savings and run. In any event, the price seven years ago for the much more limited original "Big Y" was $695. I don't think any of us care to relive those "good ol' days."
Khalid jamjoom
November 20 @ 5:58pm
I prefer the German company Yseq https://www.yseq.net/
Kevin Reinholz Kevin Reinholz
November 17 @ 11:01am
As many of you probably did as well, I received the following email request this morning: "P.S. If you have ordered SNPs outside of FTDNA (ie, YSEQ) please let me know what you have learned so I can update you in my my 15,000 member spreadsheet" My FamilyTreeDNA kit number is 410281 and I'm grouped under haplogroup R-Y28673. On the DNA Results chart in the R1a Group, this is where I've been placed: >Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>FGC13681>YP953>YP951>YP977>YP1018>YP1017>Y28673* I've had more SNPs tested outside of FTDNA, through Dante Labs WGS. I've uploaded those results to YFull, where they have 3 kits under downstream haplogroup R-Y64910. Those kits are YF07598 (FTDNA kit 410281), YF68132 and YF68052 (my and my father's Dante Labs WGS kits). YFull estimates TMRCA for R-Y28673 as 1,500 ybp. YFull estimates TMRCA for R-Y64910 as 175 ybp.
Leon BUYNEVIĆ Leon BUYNEVIĆ has a question!
November 14 @ 12:44am
Hi! Admins. The specific category within the R1a project that I was assigned to is:- 7....>Z280>Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP575>Y5570>YP682>BY32094. However, I have recently received an update further classifying me as R - BY 107702 (a subset of BY32094). Doesn't that require a seperate line to be created on your DNA results listings?
Boris Stefanov Boris Stefanov
November 13 @ 2:04pm
I have had my big Y for some time but my results are still unsorted in a group that says "Big Y and/or 111 STRs needed". Kit N268045
Errol H Errol H has a question!
November 11 @ 10:25pm
My male cousin is R-M198 and I updated him to BigY and now he has R-YP1091 and R-BY105203 How can I find out more about these? Do I need to add anything?
Jordi Mestres
November 12 @ 3:23am
Jordi Mestres
November 12 @ 3:26am
It's a clear Swedish-Norwegian branch. Your cousin is under YP1086; he shares a common ancestor from his direct paternal line with those men; that common ancestor appears to have been born around 800-900 years ago.
Jordi Mestres Jordi Mestres
November 6 @ 8:53am
Jordi Mestres
November 6 @ 8:53am
Dear All, a new BigY sample from Russia just came in and he is my closest ancestral cousin now in the BigY Tree. Together, we define a new branch: R1a-KMS44. FTDNA continues to ignore closest SNP samples as "matches" and thus, there is no chance to contacting this person. Just in case he happens to be in this forum, I'd appreciate very much if he could reveal from which Russian republic he (or his most-distant known direct paternal ancestor) comes from. So far, most of the Russian samples down from R1a-Y5992 happen to be in Bashkortostan or in the Caucasus.
Jordi Mestres
November 12 @ 3:20am
FYI, contact established.