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Sean ONeill Sean ONeill
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July 31 @ 3:21pm
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A Niell
August 5 @ 4:18pm
We just returned from Ireland, a great trip, but it would have been wonderful to have extended to a tour like the O'Neill summer school is planning. I wished our tour had taken us to Tara and other sites of interest regarding the ui Neill! Although I attend DNA conferences in the USA which cover many of the topics, of course there is nothing with an O'Neill emphasis. Maybe we can do something like this in the future. Thank you for the link to past conferences.
A Niell
August 5 @ 4:31pm
On a totally different note, while in Ireland we watched two semi-final Hurling matches. We're now fans of this wild (and ancient) national sport! Returning home, we hoped to watch the next match today in an Irish Pub. we were disappointed to find that in our local "Irish" Pubs, we couldn't find anyone who had even heard of Hurling.
Daniel Johnson
August 9 @ 4:35pm
the name in my remote..i guess i do belong to you guys
Daniel Johnson
August 9 @ 4:36pm
Bruce Howard here
Sean ONeill Sean ONeill
Admin
July 31 @ 3:29pm
Sean ONeill
August 5 @ 8:52am
http://backtoourpast.ie/ for more info on the conference.
Sean ONeill
August 5 @ 8:54am
Tickets cost 10 Euro per day which is very reasonable.
Sean ONeill Sean ONeill
Admin
September 18 @ 6:55am
Hi All, I have arranged a meeting room (Landsdowne Room) at the Back to our Past conference on Saturday the 20th October. If you are attending the presentation on saturday, we would be delighted to meet you. Sean.
Alan O'Neill
19 hours ago
Thanks Sean, I will be flying in and out on the
Alan O'Neill
19 hours ago
Saturday so will be hopefully able to meet up at some point
Diana Neal Diana Neal
August 3 @ 3:01pm
I will plan to be there, since I live in the UK, if the presentation will include the O’Neills of County Clare!
John O'Neill
September 1 @ 1:50am
I am john o Neill from Newmarket on Fergus Co clare
Martin O'Neill Martin O'Neill has a question!
August 28 @ 4:35pm
Just wondering how many on here have done the Big Y test, 111 marker and family finder ?
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Martin O'Neill
August 29 @ 4:36am
Thanks Fred, I have done them all myself and was ask by other people what was the benefit of doing the Big Y, be nice if someone on here with more knowledge than me could answer that one
C Barry
August 29 @ 2:06pm
The big Y is so big you need a story and not just an explanation. In the beginning. Well to explain it in an easy way. If you look for someone, like in a telephone directory, but rather a home directory. You can compare the 25Y to finding the country the person is living in. The 67Y the province and the 111Y the town where the person lives. Now you still need the suburb, street and home number. That is where the Big Y comes in. Now over time they did research on a part of the Y DNA, and they "found" these 111 "points" that they/we can use as "bookmarks" in our directory. So now we still need to walk the streets and look for our home. With the Big Y they test some other parts of the DNA and identify new points and then we have to compare these points to see if it is the same as other people's. Like walking the streets and through down crumbs and we are a bunch of lost people walking the streets and if we find someone's crumbs, we get closer to finding the street and the home number. If we look at this, we look at mutations in SNP's. So first we need to find these SNP's, and then determine the age/mutation rate of the newly found SNP, and then we can how recent, or how close we are related to each other. So now you do the Big Y and you have a bucket full of code that doesn't show you in a direction. You do another Big Y and now you have 2 to compare for similarities. But because these 2 are not closely related, there is some gaps. To fill in the gap and get a BIGGER picture, you need more BIG Y Code to compare and find new bookmarks direction indicators. (SNP's) {I think} [fin]
C Barry
August 29 @ 2:07pm
Sounds like "the matrix"
Martin O'Neill
August 29 @ 4:23pm
A brilliant explanation C Barry, thank you
C Barry C Barry
August 29 @ 4:37am
I waited for special and now they have even a better one :...-(
Kelly Haynes Green Kelly Haynes Green
June 17 @ 8:21am
Dwayne I thought you could help me understand this chart. I went into Gedmatch and performed a multi-analysis on kits from other O'Neill FTDNA project members. This chart lists only 1/2 of the members I ran the analysis against. Anyway, the top four people include me, my sister, aunt and uncle (whose grandmother was an O'Neill from Wexford town). I have matches on Ancestry to known O'Neill descendants in Wexford who are my second to fourth cousins but so far I cannot get any male O'Neills from our line to take the YDNA test. So I am reduced to trying to locate more distant relatives using the Gedmatch tool. I reduced the search to 3cMs and 300 SNPS thinking that it would help me discover our distant O'Neill relations if in fact we had inherited any small O'Neill DNA segments. This picture is a snapshot of our matches which include you and a few other project members. [Side note: You and I also share a match with a Margaret Lyttle who so far does not show an O'Neill ancestor but her family are from around the Toome Antrim area close to where your O'Neills are from. I am unsure at this point if the three of us are related through the O'Neills or another are family (possibly Larmour)]. When I run the generation matrix on Gedmatch with the above matches it shows that I am related to you, Robert O'Neill, and many of the others in the 7-8th generation. Would this mean we are share a common ancestor such as 7th or 8th great grandparents? Should our matches with you and the other project members be discounted because the matches are smaller DNA segment of 3.0 cM and above? Or, would you assume that we would have small segments in common because of our distant 7-8th generations connection? So far I can only go back in my O'Neill ancestry to my 4th great grandfather John Neal who was born about 1750's possibly in Kilmore area of Wexford. That would mean I am missing 3-4 generations from my John to a connection with your O'Neills in Antrim. However, an interesting thing I noted while researching the Catholic parish records in Wexford (which go back to the 1600s in some parishes) is that I find O'Neills with first names Conn, Phelim, Owen, Daniel, and Murtagh which seem to be associated with the northern O'Neills. I would appreciate getting your thoughts on the above. Thanks! Kelly
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Dwayne O'Neill
June 30 @ 3:06pm
Kelly- Not sure if you have seen this document with details on the O'Neills of Magh dá chonn from Co. Wexford, Wicklow and Carlow https://www.oneillclans.com/images/stories/pdfs/Leinster.pdf
Martin O'Neill
July 25 @ 4:01pm
Hi Dwayne this is an amazing amount of research is the Seán Ó Néill mentioned the same Seán from Dublin who runs this DNA project ???
Rachel O'Brien
August 3 @ 5:23pm
Hi Kelly I noticed my name in your matches my GG Grandmother was Ann Julia O’Neil b. 1833 from Kildare 😊
Kelly Haynes Green
August 27 @ 7:23pm
Thanks Rachel. My O'Neills were from Wexford back to the 1750s at least. We would likely be related 7-8 generations back. Were your O'Neills always from Kildare?
Dwayne O'Neill Dwayne O'Neill
August 21 @ 10:05am
I’d like to share a recent article by Maurice Gleason about surname switches (also called NPEs - Not the Parent Expected or Non-Paternity Event). https://dnaandfamilytreeresearch.blogspot.com/2018/ In Ireland, surnames originated around about 1000 AD and would have come into common usage a century or two later. Maurice lists about a dozen different situations where a surname could be changed. For example in Ireland, some of these included Anglicisation of a surname or a widow with young children remarrying. Maurice states that studies have indicated that the average incidence of surname changes is about 1-2% per generation. So, based upon 33 years per generation (or 3 generations per 100 years), then there is a 28 – 49% chance that there will be a surname change in the past 1000 years. For example in our O’Neill Project, the 1B1 BY3292 Subgroup (22 kits) has a most recent common ancestor likely from the 14th or 15th century. For this subgroup 40% of the kits have a non-O’Neill surname. Another example is the combination of the 1A1 UiNeill, R M222+>>>DF105/DF109+ Subgroup and the 1A1A R-M222 >>>DF105/109>S588 Subgroups (37 kits) with a most recent common ancestor likely from the 2nd to 6th century (before surnames were in common usage in Ireland). In this case 75% of the kits have a non-O’Neill surname. Maurice provides a key point in his summary: “As a result, we all have two types of family trees superimposed on each other – one purely genetic, one purely genealogical. But both equally valid in terms of our family history. Both types of ancestor (genetic & genealogical) have contributed to who their offspring became … and who we are today.”
Robert ONeill Robert ONeill has a question!
August 12 @ 1:31pm
I recently received the results of my Y-111 test, Kit # B161495. My earliest known paternal ancestor is John O'Neill (great great grandfather) who lived in County Cavan in 1797. My results indicate my haplogroup is presumably R-M269 and have been placed in the IN R-L513 group. If I am reading things correctly, there is a connection to Group 1C from Leinster, Carlow and Magh Da Chonn, which appears to be contradictory to my Cavan information.
Christine Champness
August 15 @ 9:27pm
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Robert ONeill Robert ONeill has a question!
August 12 @ 1:42pm
I just received the results of my Y-111 test, Kit # 161495. My results indicate that I am probably of the R-M269 haplogroup and I've been categorize in the IN R-L513 group. If I read thing correctly, there is link between this group and Group 1C with origins in Leinster, Carlow, Magh Da Conn. My earliest known paternal ancestor, John O'Neill, resided in County Cavan in 1797 and possibly earlier, so this is a bit puzzling to me. Of course people move, but how common place would that have been at the time? Can you advise me what test(s) I should do next to confirm the R-M269 or to get further clarification on my DNA. Is it better to order the M343 backbone SNP panel or the Big Y-500? Thanks, Bob O'Neill, Breezy Point, NY
Frederick Mulholland
August 13 @ 5:36pm
It is better to order Big-Y than the backbone panel. Big-Y will test everything while the backbone test will leave some things untested. All the different O'Neill groups (except O'Neill Variety) go down the haplotree to DF13 where they start to split apart. 1N goes from DF13 to L513; Leinster goes from DF13 to ZZ10_1. The fact that you are in 1N indicates you are not a Leinster O'Neill. We have not put a label on 1N because we do not know the origin of this group. Coming way down the haplotree you are probably DF13+>L513+>S5668+>Z16340+>FGC9811
Robert ONeill
August 13 @ 8:26pm
Thanks Fred. Hopefully, I'll become more adept at this.
Janos Allan Janos Allan
August 9 @ 3:59am
G'day all. I have just joined, in search of my 2 x great grandfathers real name. My great grandfather born illegitimate in 1858 in Scotland, we heard a rumour to who the father was. Well the Y-dna test put paid to that, and it looks likely he was an O'Neill, and definitely Irish, not Scottish. My Gedmatch no is A152251, would be wonderful to have a match with someone here Cheers Blair
A Niell A Niell
February 19 @ 9:07pm
My husband Arthur Niell (yes, N-I-E-L-L) just joined this group. He is designated as a descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages. He and a 5th cousin have a Y-DNA-verified MRCA, Adam Neal. We don't know of any autosomal DNA matches, on the Niell/Neal/Neill line, although he has many matches elsewhere in his tree. I notice some of you comparing Gedmatch kits. Is there a list of members' Gedmatch kit numbers? Arthur's is T828124. I'm the genealogy manager in the family. LeRae Niell
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Miriam White
June 22 @ 12:21am
Your husband and I share more total cM than Rian and I do, and Rian and I are definite cousins :-)
Paul David
June 22 @ 2:19pm
Comparing Kit T273724 (Paul G. David) and T828124 (*AEN) Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 400 SNPs Mismatch-bunching Limit = 200 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs 1 99,573,401 101,504,049 1.8 474 2 201,335,795 204,175,057 1.7 493 3 120,515,847 123,198,009 1.0 582 4 67,045,467 70,309,146 2.3 459 4 117,788,970 120,011,745 1.4 405 5 96,140,949 101,974,697 3.6 961 6 25,059,178 28,562,200 2.0 1,530 6 31,663,797 32,790,790 1.0 1,268 6 76,519,431 79,230,117 1.5 493 6 150,680,772 151,682,694 2.3 430 8 20,186,399 21,959,262 3.3 570 8 30,850,713 33,379,589 1.6 541 8 42,218,549 53,290,675 3.6 954 10 71,717,019 73,176,520 3.9 638 10 73,528,460 76,883,308 1.5 462 13 100,473,644 101,633,794 1.9 455 14 95,017,677 96,607,368 3.7 578 16 14,377,286 16,817,634 3.0 439 Largest segment = 3.9 cM Total of segments > 1 cM = 41.0 cM 18 matching segments 670550 SNPs used for this comparison.
Dwayne O'Neill
June 23 @ 7:42pm
Miriam- Do you care to share your GEDmatch kit #? Mine is T064581 and my uncle's is T425314. I am a descendant of Phelim Baccagh who d1533.
A Niell
August 5 @ 4:56pm
Miriam and Paul, thank you so much for your responses. I haven't been checking in with the project regularly. I generally use 3 cM or greater when looking for distant cousins, but I was quite surprised to see over 1000 snps on two shorter segments in Paul's comparison. Paul, do you know if this happens often? Miriam, I would be interested in using your kit number to run the gedmatch function which compares matches to 2 kits. Sometimes we can find people we both match on larger segments. I can give you an email address if you'd rather communicate that way. It would also be helpful to compare the locations of our known O'Niell ancestors.