I-M223 Y-DNA Haplogroup

ISOGG Y-DNA Haplogroup I2a1b1 (was I2a2a & earlier I2b1)
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Wayne Rodney Roberts Wayne Rodney Roberts
Admin
December 22 @ 4:54pm
Most members of this Y-DNA project are here because they are predicted or confirmed to be part of Haplogroup I-M223 (also known as I2-M223 and I2a1b1). A few are guest members either a family member of someone that is I-M223 or they have an interest in Haplogroup I-M223. All members of Haplogroup I-M223 share a common paternal ancestor that lived around 13,100 and 10,700 years ago. At the I-M223 branch node there are currently at least 72 SNPs which we all share. These mutations at various locations on the Y-chromosome occurred between 18,900 and 15,300 years ago. Over the generations since our Founder, SNP mutations have continued to occur right down to the present and these mutations are reflected in the many SNP branches our members have discovered through SNP testing. Your STR markers represent other mutations on the Y-chromosome but unlike most SNP mutations, these can change some more frequently than others and within the same paternal line males. They are an aid to us determining your main SNP branch and placing you on the Project’s Y-DNA Results chart (spreadsheet of groups). If you are interested in your Y-DNA origins and your pathway down the tree from the I-M223 founder to the present, you need to do SNP testing. The highest level of Y-DNA SNP and STR testing at FTDNA is the Big Y-700 test. It will not only test you for known SNPs since I-M223 formed but discover new SNPs unique to your paternal line and family branch. It also gives results for over 700 STR markers. How your SNP results are reported is dependent on whom else has tested from your paternal line STR matches and male family members. Some members have discovered their SNP branch structure down to the last 2 or 3 generations. This Project urges members to take the Big Y-700 test. If you have NO STR matches or hundreds of STR matches, the Big Y-700 test will help sort this out by finding your branch. It may be a totally new branch or it may be one you share with other “clan” surnames. Why not be the first in your family to map their Y-DNA tree, a tribute to your ancestors and a legacy to future generations. If you were tested for Big Y-500, you should upgrade to Big Y-700 as this new test covers regions of the Y-chromosome not previously covered by earlier Big Y tests. If you are not able to afford the Big Y test, you could check with administrators to see if testing an individual SNP or one of the old SNP Packs would be your next best option. If you have or when you get, your Big Y-700 results back, look at Big Y “Results”. You will have three tabs called “Named Variants”, “Private Variants” and “Matches”. Named Variants are those known SNPs for which you have been tested. The list shows those you are derived (+) for but you can check for SNPs that appear as no reads or ancestral (-) to see if it might actually be a low positive read that was not reported. The Private Variants lists discovered SNP locations for which you have a mutation not previous known. These are the SNPs that will form future branching once matched with another tester. If you only have a few locations listed, you are close to your terminal SNP designation. If you have a great many SNP locations listed, there is a lot of further branching to take place to get you close to your terminal SNP. You will have to wait for others to test and match locations to get you closer to the present but at least you have these mapped. The third tab is Big Y Matches and may show no matches up to many matches. Here matching is by SNPs and the combined total of differences between you and the other person which are less than 30. You can look at the Block Tree to see where you are placed in relation to the other branches and any matches. FTDNA checks your private variant locations manually to see if any match with anyone else and if so a new branch will be formed and the Haplotree and Block Tree will be updated as well as your Haplogroup designation. It is all a waiting game unfortunately. Many of our members as well as other Big Y testers, have their BIG Y raw data BAM file analysed by another company such as YFull or Full Genomes. They do this to find SNPs not reported by FTDNA or if any of those reported are not of the best quality for genetic genealogy purposes. YFull also reports on more STR markers as well as gives Age Estimations for SNP branches. If you are interested in further investigation and analysis of your Big Y raw data, please read the next “pinned” section. Any questions, please ask and we will try to assist you.
34 Comments
Wade Kotter
22 hours ago
The SNP BY176069 was discovered and named in 2018 according to YBrowse; it is not a new SNP even though the branch Leroy is assigned to may be new. Interestingly, this I-BY176069 branch to which Leroy is assigned still doesn't show as a branch on the Block Tree, the internal haplotree that comes up when you click on "Haplotree & SNPs," or the public haplotree. Instead, it shows up as one of the SNPs included in I-BY174966, as you can see from this view of the public haplotree: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/I;name=I-BY174966 Perhaps this is an artifact of the ongoing tree update.
Wade Kotter
22 hours ago
Also, I just added Dennis Carroll's YFull sample to the I-M223 group at YFull.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
The current I-BY174966 branch node will be split with I-BY176069 forming a new node and I-BY174966 moving downstream.
Wade Kotter
48 minutes ago
That makes sense, Wayne. I was wondering if something like that might be the case.
Wayne Rodney Roberts Wayne Rodney Roberts
Admin
December 22 @ 4:47pm
If you have previously tested Big Y-500 and now have Big Y-700 completed or you have a Big Y-700 result from an order placed before November 2019, you have already paid for your raw data BAM file. You can choose to download this very large file to your computer and store there or at some storage site for use later. If you have Big Y-700 results from an order placed from November 2019 onwards, then you will have to pay to be able to get your raw data BAM file. You need to look at your Big Y results page and click on Download Raw Data. You should see a button that says Generate BAM or Share BAM. If you have the Generate BAM button, then FTDNA have your BAM file ready to generate and you should click on this button once then come back in a day or so. If you previously or recently generated your BAM file you should now have a Download BAM and Share BAM buttons. If you wish to have further analysis of your Big Y-700 results with another company such as YFull or Full Genomes then you will need this BIG Y raw data BAM file. If you do not want to download the very large file, you can get a LINK to the file instead using the Share BAM button. If you have the Share BAM button, you can now click on it. This should now produce a LINK to your Big Y-700 BAM file raw data that you can then copy and paste into the order form for your analysis with YFull or Full Genomes. The advantage of analysis with YFull is that do age estimations for the SNP branches and mutations, report SNPs that FTDNA may not have and read around 900 STR markers. If you previously sent your Big Y or Big Y-500 BAM file to YFull for analysis, you will have an ID number that starts with YF. If you plan to submit your Big Y-700 BAM file, YFull will treat this as a NEW test and new analysis as if it was done by a different company. You will need to open up the YFull Order an Analysis page and fill it in as before but this time copying the Share BAM LINK produced for your Big Y-700 BAM file and pasting that Link into the appropriate box on the order form. In the COMMENTS box, you need to say "This is a new test for ID: YFxxxxx", stating your existing ID number given to you previously. If you manage multiple IDs for a number of relatives, make sure you use the correct ID for the person with this Big Y-700 result. Finish completing the order form and security question and check the permission box, then submit the form. You will get an email/s from YFull confirming the order and giving you a new ID number for this analysis order but attached to your current YFull log in email address and password. When the analysis is completed, you will get and email requesting payment of US$49 to unlock the results. Make sure you JOIN this new ID number up to the I-M223 Group at YFull after payment is made. You will be able to use the Comparison tool to compare your two Big Y tests (or Big Y and Full Genomes or other company NGS tests if that is the case). For someone that has only tested Big Y-700 or someone that tested Big Y-500 or an NGS test with another company but not previously ordered analysis with YFull, you will need to get a LINK to your BAM file as described above for Big Y from FTDNA or follow instructions from your other testing company and Order the analysis as above but omitting the ID stuff in the comments box. You will be sent a confirmation of order email followed by an email with your log in details including Password and ID number. Please save this password as you will need it to log into your new YFull account. While you wait for your analysis to be completed, you can choose Settings from top right to add your Country of Origin, Most Distant Paternal Ancestor, your Username/Name, your FTDNA Kit Number, some of which will only be visible to you and the I-M223 Group administrators at YFull. Any questions, please ask and we will try to assist you.
6 Comments
Ben Nickell
January 30 @ 11:22pm
I had YFull analyze my VCF file, great suggestion! I am learning the interface on their site and reading about the science behind it. Is there any information from there that would be of interest to you, or anything I should focus on? There is one match in my as yet unnamed (is that what the asterisk means ?) sub-branch, that's interesting, particularly since I haven't found any connection to their most distant ancestor. Thanks again
Wade Kotter
January 31 @ 7:09am
Ben, based on what I can see, the person who is currently assigned to I-BZ2610* is not, unfortunately, going to form a new downstream branch with you. The asterisk means that YFull believes you represent a new branch downstream of I-BZ2610 but no other sample at YFull matches you on this new branch yet. YF09201 is in a simiilar situation. What will likely happen is that your as yet undefined branch downstream of I-BZ2610 will be distinct from his downstream branch. I should add that your lines likely diverged before surnames became common in Europe, long before each of your earliest known direct paternal ancestors lived, so it's no surprise that you haven't found any connection.
Wade Kotter
January 31 @ 8:19am
Just to follow up, instead of focusing on YF09201 your next step, as Wayne said, is to "convince one or more of your Nickell/Nicholl matches to test Big Y-700."
Ben Nickell
February 1 @ 10:49am
Thanks Wade (and Wayne), the more I thought about that, the more I thought that was the case that the asterisk was just an unknown downstream branch. Thanks for confirming it. It's good to have a goal :) This stuff is pretty exciting, and I'm excited to have been able to afford more testing.
David Boon David Boon
January 4 @ 5:50pm
A useful article for those new to Y-DNA. https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/02/y-dna-part-1-overview/
8 Comments
Luiz Parise
February 24 @ 10:43am
Thank you for your answer Mr. Wade. How could I see these 112 people ?
Wade Kotter
February 24 @ 11:24am
You will not be able to see all of these, Luiz, because not all of them are members of this project and not all of them are a close enough match to you. However, you are one of 15 people in this project who are confirmed as I-A427; there are many more who are predicted to be I-A427 and many who are predicted or confirmed to be downstream of I-A427. You can find the other 14 people assigned to I-A427 in the "Cont3a1 Group 2a" group on the Project Results List. However, since I-A427 is so old, it really won't do you much good looking at these people. It's best to wait until your Big Y-700 results come in to see where you fit downstream of I-A427.
Luiz Parise
Yesterday at 2:44pm
Mr. Wade, I can't see my name anymore in "Cont3a1 Group 2a". on the Project Results List.
Luiz Parise
22 hours ago
Sorry, now I've got it.
Pieter Boer Pieter Boer
February 25 @ 3:27pm
Well, I did this Big700 thingy. I certainly do have lack of knowledge about Y-DNA. Despite of that I am pretty sure being in I-S8171 no matches or answers will come in near future. So, I leave my information for future and bother with other things where it makes more sense. Regards, Pieter
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Pieter Boer
9 hours ago
Sure, I am satisfied with the results Wade but I can't do much more myself at this stage and I really don't know what kind of questions I should ask. A complication with my paternal line is that I did this test together with a distant relative from same paternal line. On official records it is all confirmed we are family, however he is R-M269. We also share the same great grandmother and it seems our autosomal match isn't there either but it is 6 generations distance. Our main question is can we say something that makes sense if either our paternal line is I or R. So, I pay attention to the dusty books again.
Wade Kotter
7 hours ago
Your direct paternal line is definitely on the I branch and his paternal line is on the R branch, "official" records not withstanding. This is not an either/or situation; it means that you do not share a direct paternal ancestor with him within the last 40,000 to 50,000 years which is the time when the lines leading to the I branch and the R branch diverged from each other. Somewhere on either your direct paternal line or his direct paternal line there was an "unofficial" event where the "official" father as recorded in the records was not the biological father. This could be due to an unofficial adoption, an "illegitimate" birth, a surname change, etc.. For example, it was quite common in some areas for a man who married a women who was either a single unwed mother or a widow who had children from a previous marriage to give her children his name. As another example, there was a surname change in my direct paternal line in Germany around 1800 when the children of my 3rd great grandfather Tons Bernhardt Kop became officially known by the surname Kotter, their mother's maiden name, because they inherited their mother's parent's property. In this case, the situation was figured out by a German genealogist we hired long before DNA testing became available. In the case of you and this other person, each of you needs to look very carefully at his closest Y-DNA matches. You or he may see that there are more than one of your matches who share a surname that is different from yours. By taking Big Y-700 you have gone as far as you can but the other person needs to consider taking Big Y-700 to confirm where he fits on the R-M269 branch and find his closest matches.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
Pieter, those other three are I-L1230, a sub-branch of I-S8171. You form another sub-branch. As for your relative being R-M269 branch, either you have or he has an NPE in their line. If you can find another male of a different branch from the paternal line, it should show which line has the NPE.
Wade Kotter
29 minutes ago
Thanks, Wayne. I was looking at the YFull tree, which does not show an I-L1230 branch downstream of I-S8171: https://yfull.com/tree/I-S8171/ I do see that YFull gives L1230 only a one star rating, which means (I believe) that it won't be added to their tree to form a new branch for those three. To my mind, this makes establishing an I-L1230 branch problematic.
Michael W Tyler Michael W Tyler
February 20 @ 6:24pm
Hey Wayne, I noticed that some of the informational links point to a Yahoo Groups page which I cannot see. Did Yahoo discontinue the discussion page?
Wayne Rodney Roberts
February 21 @ 5:55pm
Thanks Michael, I will investigate. I think Aaron when administrator set up a Yahoo group so he could send out information to those that joined. My memory is a bit fuzzy on this so I'll have to have a look. It probably was discontinued after he left the Project as admin.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
February 22 @ 1:38am
The link to the Yahoo Group for I-M223 still appears valid. I will check it out further from my other laptop where I should be able to go to MY YAHOO Groups and see if anything is still being posted and whom the admins are. I did update and add new categories and links. Hope you like it.
Wade Kotter
February 22 @ 1:09pm
I just successfully joined the group; you do need to have a Yahoo account to join. It doesn't look like there has been any activity in recent years. I'll wait for a few days and if I don't see anything I'm going to leave the group.
Wade Kotter
45 minutes ago
It's been a week since I joined and there's been no activity so I'm going to leave it. Wayne, I think you can remove the link from the About page. It's not been discontinued but it certainly appears to be dead.
Wayne Rodney Roberts Wayne Rodney Roberts
Admin
December 22 @ 4:54pm
Most members of this Y-DNA project are here because they are predicted or confirmed to be part of Haplogroup I-M223 (also known as I2-M223 and I2a1b1). A few are guest members either a family member of someone that is I-M223 or they have an interest in Haplogroup I-M223. All members of Haplogroup I-M223 share a common paternal ancestor that lived around 13,100 and 10,700 years ago. At the I-M223 branch node there are currently at least 72 SNPs which we all share. These mutations at various locations on the Y-chromosome occurred between 18,900 and 15,300 years ago. Over the generations since our Founder, SNP mutations have continued to occur right down to the present and these mutations are reflected in the many SNP branches our members have discovered through SNP testing. Your STR markers represent other mutations on the Y-chromosome but unlike most SNP mutations, these can change some more frequently than others and within the same paternal line males. They are an aid to us determining your main SNP branch and placing you on the Project’s Y-DNA Results chart (spreadsheet of groups). If you are interested in your Y-DNA origins and your pathway down the tree from the I-M223 founder to the present, you need to do SNP testing. The highest level of Y-DNA SNP and STR testing at FTDNA is the Big Y-700 test. It will not only test you for known SNPs since I-M223 formed but discover new SNPs unique to your paternal line and family branch. It also gives results for over 700 STR markers. How your SNP results are reported is dependent on whom else has tested from your paternal line STR matches and male family members. Some members have discovered their SNP branch structure down to the last 2 or 3 generations. This Project urges members to take the Big Y-700 test. If you have NO STR matches or hundreds of STR matches, the Big Y-700 test will help sort this out by finding your branch. It may be a totally new branch or it may be one you share with other “clan” surnames. Why not be the first in your family to map their Y-DNA tree, a tribute to your ancestors and a legacy to future generations. If you were tested for Big Y-500, you should upgrade to Big Y-700 as this new test covers regions of the Y-chromosome not previously covered by earlier Big Y tests. If you are not able to afford the Big Y test, you could check with administrators to see if testing an individual SNP or one of the old SNP Packs would be your next best option. If you have or when you get, your Big Y-700 results back, look at Big Y “Results”. You will have three tabs called “Named Variants”, “Private Variants” and “Matches”. Named Variants are those known SNPs for which you have been tested. The list shows those you are derived (+) for but you can check for SNPs that appear as no reads or ancestral (-) to see if it might actually be a low positive read that was not reported. The Private Variants lists discovered SNP locations for which you have a mutation not previous known. These are the SNPs that will form future branching once matched with another tester. If you only have a few locations listed, you are close to your terminal SNP designation. If you have a great many SNP locations listed, there is a lot of further branching to take place to get you close to your terminal SNP. You will have to wait for others to test and match locations to get you closer to the present but at least you have these mapped. The third tab is Big Y Matches and may show no matches up to many matches. Here matching is by SNPs and the combined total of differences between you and the other person which are less than 30. You can look at the Block Tree to see where you are placed in relation to the other branches and any matches. FTDNA checks your private variant locations manually to see if any match with anyone else and if so a new branch will be formed and the Haplotree and Block Tree will be updated as well as your Haplogroup designation. It is all a waiting game unfortunately. Many of our members as well as other Big Y testers, have their BIG Y raw data BAM file analysed by another company such as YFull or Full Genomes. They do this to find SNPs not reported by FTDNA or if any of those reported are not of the best quality for genetic genealogy purposes. YFull also reports on more STR markers as well as gives Age Estimations for SNP branches. If you are interested in further investigation and analysis of your Big Y raw data, please read the next “pinned” section. Any questions, please ask and we will try to assist you.
34 Comments
Wade Kotter
22 hours ago
The SNP BY176069 was discovered and named in 2018 according to YBrowse; it is not a new SNP even though the branch Leroy is assigned to may be new. Interestingly, this I-BY176069 branch to which Leroy is assigned still doesn't show as a branch on the Block Tree, the internal haplotree that comes up when you click on "Haplotree & SNPs," or the public haplotree. Instead, it shows up as one of the SNPs included in I-BY174966, as you can see from this view of the public haplotree: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/I;name=I-BY174966 Perhaps this is an artifact of the ongoing tree update.
Wade Kotter
22 hours ago
Also, I just added Dennis Carroll's YFull sample to the I-M223 group at YFull.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
The current I-BY174966 branch node will be split with I-BY176069 forming a new node and I-BY174966 moving downstream.
Wade Kotter
48 minutes ago
That makes sense, Wayne. I was wondering if something like that might be the case.
John Tomme, John Tomme, has a question!
February 25 @ 10:55am
25 Feb 2020 Good morning Wayne from the USA. You and i traded emails over a year ago and you advised that you were 14 plus hours ahead of me. I was wondering if there is anything you could send to me that would tell me how to understand all of these tests, numbers, etc., in layman's terms. I just am having trouble understanding how i am related to these folks thru my DNA testing. I look forward to hearing from you and thank you for your time. Mike T.
Wade Kotter
February 25 @ 12:12pm
John, while your waiting to hear from Wayne you might find these two blog posts to be helpful: https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/02/y-dna-part-1-overview/ https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/27/y-dna-part-2-the-dictionary-of-dna/
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
John, you are very closely linked to the Martin, Yoder and Foeller families, sharing a common ancestor with you that we can call I-Y29666. You are even closer to the Martin line sharing a common ancestor we can call I-BY28636. It would apper your common ancestors lived in the area around present Switzerland. Your Tommee brach based on Big Y-500 could be called I-BY62970.
George McKee George McKee has a question!
8 hours ago
I use an apple computer running OS Catalina. Why do I have Wayne's pinned post of Dec. 22 showing at least 3 times when I go to this group page spaced out between current member listings. I do not have this problem with any other group site that I belong to. It makes it a real test of patience to find the most current listings by members.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
George, it is because members post additional comments or messages to those three pinned posts. This results in the posts being duplicated as one counts for the pinned post and the duplicate as a normal post.
THIERRY KERNEUR THIERRY KERNEUR
12 hours ago
bonjour voila mon big 700 est apparemment terminé, pas de fort changement à part le snp (terminal) qui à changé me plaçant en I-BY202349 en aval de mon anciens I-3713. je n'est pas non plus de match, ce qui me parait relativement normal , vu le nombre de personnes testés de cet SNP. je suis encore un peut perdu dans toute ces nouvelles données apparemment je suis toujours dans le groupe (iles E 3), pas encore classifié du groupe (iles G), a voir !!!. si quelqu'un à d'autre informations ?
Wayne Rodney Roberts
7 hours ago
Thierry, your new branch will split the current I-BY202349 which will have 19 SNPs at the new I-BY202349 node and the Morley group forming a new sub-branch of around 7 SNPs downstream. You have 30 Private Variants (Novel SNP) locations which will form your sub-branch downstream of I-BY202349 branch node. To show on the Haplotree you need someone else to test Big Y-700 and match any of those 30 SNP locations.
Christopher Roche Christopher Roche
Yesterday at 9:44am
I have tested up to 111 markers. I have tested positive for I-Y4760 which was as far downstream as I could get at the time. I see now that there are quite a few more downstream branches now. I am thinking of testing Big Y-700 but it is a bit pricey for me right now. Does anyone know if there are any discounts or speecials coming up that will reduce the price?
Wayne Rodney Roberts
23 hours ago
Perhaps DNA Day and Fathers Day.
Wade Kotter
22 hours ago
Just FYI, DNA Day is April 25 and this year Father's Day is June 21.
Christopher Roche
21 hours ago
Thank you!
David Boon David Boon
January 4 @ 5:50pm
A useful article for those new to Y-DNA. https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/02/y-dna-part-1-overview/
8 Comments
Luiz Parise
February 24 @ 10:43am
Thank you for your answer Mr. Wade. How could I see these 112 people ?
Wade Kotter
February 24 @ 11:24am
You will not be able to see all of these, Luiz, because not all of them are members of this project and not all of them are a close enough match to you. However, you are one of 15 people in this project who are confirmed as I-A427; there are many more who are predicted to be I-A427 and many who are predicted or confirmed to be downstream of I-A427. You can find the other 14 people assigned to I-A427 in the "Cont3a1 Group 2a" group on the Project Results List. However, since I-A427 is so old, it really won't do you much good looking at these people. It's best to wait until your Big Y-700 results come in to see where you fit downstream of I-A427.
Luiz Parise
Yesterday at 2:44pm
Mr. Wade, I can't see my name anymore in "Cont3a1 Group 2a". on the Project Results List.
Luiz Parise
22 hours ago
Sorry, now I've got it.
John Tomme, John Tomme, has a question!
February 25 @ 10:50am
25 Feb 2020Good morning Wayne. You and i shared an email about a year ago and you advised that you lived a lot of hours ahead of where i live. I still don't understand all of these numbers associated with my DNA testing. Is there anything you could send to me that would talk in layman's terms so i can understand all of these different groups and numbers on how i am related to these folks. Thank you. Mike Tomme, USA
Jerry Stewart Jerry Stewart
February 20 @ 9:46pm
Hi, I administer the Y111 test for my cousin Jerry Stewart. I posted here last year and we have been waiting for a Stewart match to upgrade to the BigY. Jerry’s match Randall Stewart now shows as having upgraded to BigY. I understand that Admins have the ability to look at matches going back to genetic distances of 40. With this new Stewart BigY data, what information can you now infer regarding the shared Stewart line with Jerry Stewart, Randall Stewart and Tina Stewart Carson’s father? In broader terms, what can we now learn about the split of the Stewart/Hynes/Grogan family lines through their matched BigY tests? Thank you so much! Doug Holt.
Wayne Rodney Roberts
February 21 @ 5:50pm
Hello Doug, as Randall Stewart is not a member of this Project, admins here cannot view his Kit to see results. However, I can view our I-Y5996 members that did Big Y-500 and Big Y-700. Luke Grogan did both so his Big Y-700 results are the best for comparison. From the Big Y matches for Grogan, I can see the Novel SNP locations that Luke and Randall do NOT match. Luke has 6 he does not share with Randall while Randall has 8 he does not share with Luke. These 8 are with 7 named: 3546238 (FT183458); 8142678 (FT185456); 8905578 (FT185784); 10099484; 12029648 (FT186345); 12748205 (FT186672); 15185923 (FT187663); 15398048 (FT187765). It is the 7 possibly 8 Novel SNPs that would form further branch for your Stewart line. It is certainly a parallel sub-branch with the Grogan sub-branch of 6 Novel SNPs. As the I-Y5996 Hinds/Hynes members have not tested Big Y-700, it is impossible to know if they are derived for any of the Stewart 8 or Grogan 6 Novel SNPs. We do know that Kit # B94197 Phil Hynes is not derived for Y5996 and Y6001 and is on a parallel branch to I-Y5996 downstream of I-FGC14234 (I-Y5999). Please encourage Randall Stewart to join this Project. For this Stewart line to appear on the Haplotree, a second Stewart Big Y-700 tester is needed.
Luke Grogan
February 22 @ 7:31pm
This is getting quite interesting now, Wayne and Doug Holt! I am only a novice at this, but I have been closely following.
Luke Grogan
February 22 @ 7:32pm
As Wayne may already know, I am more than happy to provide any information that may help.