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25 January 2007
At this time, we have the results back on 8 actual participants to our Gartman group plus 1 Gartman researcher that is a grandson of the Girtman female line and wanted his signature included with the others in this group. We felt that this might be of interest later and therefore included this individual in our group. He is represented by Kit #47494 in the chart below. At this time we have a 25/25 match on 4 signatures (#54495, #69723, #69460, and #74819) and this gives us the ability to establish a modal Gartman signature for our original Swiss emigrant ancestor, Barthol Gartman. The latest person to join the Barthol Gartman group also chose to have the 37 marker test done and thus we now have the modal signature for the full 37 markers. From this point on we highly recommend that everyone take the 37 marker test as this may help us further define the branches of the family. In the German group we have also included one signature borrowed from the SMGF DNA program on the Gardemann family line in our personal DNA chart. This signature may prove of some interest at a later date. Finally, we have someone representing the Gartzman family included in the Unknown Family Connections section with participant #73361.
Let us begin our discussion here with the Haplo Group column. The Haplo Group study is an attempt by the labs around the world to distinguish ethnic groups based upon location. We currently have 4 different Haplo Groups represented within our study and they are R1b1, R1b1c, I and I1a. Most of those represented by Haplo Group R1b1 originate primarily in England and the United Kingdom in general and then France and Germany. At first sight this may seem strange to us researching the Gartman family as we have always traced our ancestry to Switzerland and Germany. Strange that is until we factor in the history of the United Kingdom and we realize that much of the history of this locale traces to the Anglo Saxon peoples that invaded England in the 5th century and they have strong ties to the Germanic territories. Haplo groups I and I1a have a much stronger tie to Germany and the Netherlands.
The Haplo Group (I) is represented by signatures 50760 and 73361. The interesting thing about this Haplo Group is that they usually originate primarily from Holland, and secondarily from Australia and France. Should this prove to be one of the sources for a branch of our family, it could lead us in new directions. The signature #50760 seems to have a reasonably well documented history to our Switzerland emigrants, descending from John James Gartman. However, it now seems apparent that this individual must have experienced an undocumented adoption somewhere in the line. The second signature in this group (kit #65792) is a Gartmann (notice the spelling) and his family emigrated from Germany and settled in the Wisconsin area. The person represented by Haplo Group I1a (#65792) had his test results expanded to thee Haplo Backbone test which gave him the I1a refinement. The exciting thing about this refinement is it clearly gives us a tie to England, as well as Germany and the Netherlands. This would seem to prove all our theories about the family originating in the Rhine Valley and immigrating over the Alps into Switzerland.
What we can say at this time is that we are dealing with more than one family group which raises a multitude of questions about if and how these diverse families may be related. It will be necessary for us to have greater participation before we can begin to define these diverse family groups, and we in fact can not confirm the theory of distinct family groups until we have matches in these signatures. All that can be said for certain at this point is that we do have a modal signature established for the descendants of Barthol and Barbara Gartman. We now must seek a modal signature for the additional family groups.
At this time we also have had one individual that wanted to have their mtDNA results posted on our web page and you will find this posting at the bottom of the web site. This individual (70911) represents the Garner line, but since this is the female mtDNA test we are not able to make any comparisons to the Y-DNA results at this time. The information is simply provided for you observations.
We really do need more participation to give us a better understanding of our common ancestry.
At this time, we have the results back on 8 actual participants to our Gartman group plus 1 Gartman researcher that is a grandson of the Girtman female line and wanted his signature included with the others in this group. We felt that this might be of interest later and therefore included this individual in our group. He is represented by Kit #47494 in the chart below. At this time we have a 25/25 match on 4 signatures (#54495, #69723, #69460, and #74819) and this gives us the ability to establish a modal Gartman signature for our original Swiss emigrant ancestor, Barthol Gartman. The latest person to join the Barthol Gartman group also chose to have the 37 marker test done and thus we now have the modal signature for the full 37 markers. From this point on we highly recommend that everyone take the 37 marker test as this may help us further define the branches of the family. In the German group we have also included one signature borrowed from the SMGF DNA program on the Gardemann family line in our personal DNA chart. This signature may prove of some interest at a later date. Finally, we have someone representing the Gartzman family included in the Unknown Family Connections section with participant #73361.
Let us begin our discussion here with the Haplo Group column. The Haplo Group study is an attempt by the labs around the world to distinguish ethnic groups based upon location. We currently have 4 different Haplo Groups represented within our study and they are R1b1, R1b1c, I and I1a. Most of those represented by Haplo Group R1b1 originate primarily in England and the United Kingdom in general and then France and Germany. At first sight this may seem strange to us researching the Gartman family as we have always traced our ancestry to Switzerland and Germany. Strange that is until we factor in the history of the United Kingdom and we realize that much of the history of this locale traces to the Anglo Saxon peoples that invaded England in the 5th century and they have strong ties to the Germanic territories. Haplo groups I and I1a have a much stronger tie to Germany and the Netherlands.
The Haplo Group (I) is represented by signatures 50760 and 73361. The interesting thing about this Haplo Group is that they usually originate primarily from Holland, and secondarily from Australia and France. Should this prove to be one of the sources for a branch of our family, it could lead us in new directions. The signature #50760 seems to have a reasonably well documented history to our Switzerland emigrants, descending from John James Gartman. However, it now seems apparent that this individual must have experienced an undocumented adoption somewhere in the line. The second signature in this group (kit #65792) is a Gartmann (notice the spelling) and his family emigrated from Germany and settled in the Wisconsin area. The person represented by Haplo Group I1a (#65792) had his test results expanded to thee Haplo Backbone test which gave him the I1a refinement. The exciting thing about this refinement is it clearly gives us a tie to England, as well as Germany and the Netherlands. This would seem to prove all our theories about the family originating in the Rhine Valley and immigrating over the Alps into Switzerland.
What we can say at this time is that we are dealing with more than one family group which raises a multitude of questions about if and how these diverse families may be related. It will be necessary for us to have greater participation before we can begin to define these diverse family groups, and we in fact can not confirm the theory of distinct family groups until we have matches in these signatures. All that can be said for certain at this point is that we do have a modal signature established for the descendants of Barthol and Barbara Gartman. We now must seek a modal signature for the additional family groups.
At this time we also have had one individual that wanted to have their mtDNA results posted on our web page and you will find this posting at the bottom of the web site. This individual (70911) represents the Garner line, but since this is the female mtDNA test we are not able to make any comparisons to the Y-DNA results at this time. The information is simply provided for you observations.
We really do need more participation to give us a better understanding of our common ancestry.