G-L497 Y-DNA

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Hızır Oğuz Brian Saul FJ Roig Philip  Goggin
Brian Saul
2 hours ago
Thanks for the invitation to join the group. I understand that our SAUL ancestors migrated to the Baltic/Bohemia regions and then, as "milk drinkers", migrated to further north in the area of what is now Lithuania, perhaps, and Prussia. My documented ancestry starts in the Hesse region of today's Germany. Interesting in finding out more via this group.
Robert Lewis Robert Lewis has a question!
March 20 @ 7:22pm
My father recently tested positive for Haplogroup G. Our paternal line originates from Germany. Our last name was possibly anglicized from 'Ludwig'. We have not yet taken an SNP test, but our closest match is at 37 markers distance 3 with someone who tested G-FGC14522 whose family originates from a village in Eastern Thuringia (central/east Germany), between Leipzig and the Czech republic. Is there a possibility we're in the same subclade? Our closest matches are German, futhermore, we have exact 25 marker matches with someone from Northern France, Switzerland(G-Z16775) and England.
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Brian Hamman
March 21 @ 7:10am
Hi Robert, Thanks for joining. I will respond to your email within the next few minutes. I am going to be put you into "predicted Z726" since your closest matches are in its' two largest branches, CTS4803 and Z16775. You would need to order the G-L497 SNP Pack in order to determine your subclade under L497... Cheers, Brian
Robert Lewis
March 21 @ 1:40pm
Got your message Brian, thanks a lot for the information, very helpful indeed. Interesting to see that a possible N. European/Scandinavian link is mentioned Rolf. I know autosomal tests and Y-DNA tests are two different things, but Gedmatch and FamilyTreeDNA results show Scandinavian results for our family, My paternal line came from Germany, quite possibily from northern Germany.
Matthew Smith
20 hours ago
Robert, what part of the world do you hale from these days. What path of migration has your family taken or have they stayed in roughly the same part of the world?
Robert Lewis
9 hours ago
Our family is originally from Germany but nowadays live in the Netherlands via England. My ancestors belonged to a wave of Germans who came to England in the 19th century to work as confectioners/sugar-bakers.
Robert Lewis Robert Lewis has a question!
March 20 @ 8:46pm
Hi all, This might be off topic, but I was reading an article on the Etruscan civilization and the ancient Tyrrsenian languages of Italy and a link was made between Haplogroup G2a, which is found at relatively high percentages in Sardinia and supposedly amongst the ancient Etruscans. Apparently, according to recent genetic research, modern day Italians and especially Tuscans (the land of the Etruscans) and Sardinians are found to be the closest living relatives of Ashkenazi Jewish people, however, most Ashkenazi and Central Italians belong to Haplogroup J-M172 (both over 20%) and Haplogroup E-M215 (Tuscans 12.9% Ashkenazi 18-20%) Haplogroup G is found at 10% among Jewish people all together, so I do not really understand what the link between the Tuscans/Sardinians and the Ashkenazi is based on. Their shared high levels of J-M172 and E-M215 or their levels of G2a? Hopefully my question isn't too complicated, I apologise beforehand. -Alfred
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Brian Hamman
March 21 @ 1:12pm
Robert, the link you mention between Sardinians and Jews is primarily thru the *autosomal* DNA, not so much thru the yDNA. This autosomal DNA link is because the Sardinians are one of the few European remnants of the Neolithic Farmers who entered Europe from the Middle East around 7700 years ago. On the YDNA side, you are G-L497 that is amazingly non-existent among Ashkenazi Jews. It seems our G-L497 line was extremely rare among the original Neolithic Farmers but by chance did quite well after arriving in Europe over 7500 years ago... Brian
Robert Lewis
March 21 @ 1:20pm
Thanks Brian! Yes that makes sense, I guess the same goes fo Tuscany, it only makes sense that, autosomally speaking, these populations share similarities with other Mediterranean and Near Eastern populations. Furthermore, and this is a personal theory, other neolithic migrants (haplogroups J and E) for whatever reason, seem to have stayed around the Mediterranean and they took different routes into Europe. J and E possibily came from a more southern angle, while G entered Europe via a more northern route, via northern Anatolia, moving upwards via the Balkan entering Italy possibily via Croatia/Slovenia. Certain branches moved up northwards through the Alps into Germany/France/The Low Countries.
Matthew Smith
20 hours ago
@Brian, outside of the Ashkenazi population which, as you pointed out, is 'amazingly non-existent', how does G appear in other Jewish populations, such as Sephardic Jews and Coptic Jews? From the conversations on Facebook, there seems to be a decent representation of Jewish G's across the world. I am still trying to understand what, if any, connection there is and how G crosses paths. We know G obviously predates Judaism in that part of the world and so can we assume some of the descendants of the early neolithic first farmers were among those which became the Hebrews, some of which (if we are to believe the biblical accounts) became Israelites, some became Jews. It definitely appears that listening to Ted talk on FB that there are certain groups which would like to lay claim to being the 'true' races and see the presence of G in both Jewish populations and Arab Muslim populations as an unwelcome burr in the saddle. Not sure if I am reading this right. Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!
Robert Lewis
11 hours ago
@Matthew Haplogroups E and J are more associated with Levantine populations including Jews and Arabs than G is and all are found among them (as well as a plethora of others, even R1a, R1b etc), but at different levels. They all originated, with the exception of E, in different parts of the Middle East or Caucasus and all are associated with the neolithic revolution as well, since they all dwelt in the same areas and likely influenced each other. The key differences are the migratory paths of E, J and G. Haplogroup E has a signficant presence amongst people of African and Semitic descent and to a lesser extent amongst more northern Mediterranean and Balkan populations. Haplogroup E left Africa relatively late compared to the other haplogroups associated with the migrations out of Africa and there are similarities between the languages of North Africa and the Middle East, where haplogroup E is found at significant levels. These are the so called Afro-Asiatic languages. Some haplogroups, including Haplogroup J (but also R1b and a couple of others) are associated with the 'back to Africa' theory. They migrated back into Africa again before moving out of Africa again into the Levant. Haplogroups groups E and J are found at extremely high percentages amongst North and East African as well as Middle Eastern populations including Jewish populations. Haplogroup J is found at 35-43% amongst Jews in general, while E is found at 18-20% amongst Jews, making Haplogroups E and J the prime candidates for representing the first people to speak Semitic languages which belong to the afforementioned Afro-Asiatic language family, an aptly chosen name Haplogroup G never went back to Africa again and the presence of G in North Africa is due to more recent migrations. G followed a different migratory path. It is found in clusters scattered throughout the Near East and parts of Europe. It is found at high levels around the Black Sea coast, amongst Ossetians in the Caucasus and the Gagauz people of Moldova and the Ukraine, but also in Tirol, Austria. G likely migrated out of northern Iraq via Anatolia/Caucasus and further into Europe via the Balkans, being responsible for introducing new farming techniques into Europe with which it came into contact in Iraq, whereas J, for whatever reason was likely more succesful in the Levant as it is found there are much higher levels, but the higher percentages of E and J in the Middle East could also be explained because of the different migratory paths these people took. 60% of neolithic remains found in Europe, such as the remains they found in Derenburg Meerenstieg in present day Saxony-Anhalt, belonged to Haplogroup G supposedly, making G the first neolithic group that wandered into Europe. I am not sure what you mean by Coptic Jews? the Coptic and Jewish religion are two different religions. Copts are Christians and live primarily in North Africa, in Egypt, Sudan and Libya and are likely to belong primarily to haplogroups E or J like their Muslim and Jewish counterparts. As Egypt was a Roman province and the Roman empire became a Christian empire in the 5th century, these people converted to Christianity and always remained Christian.
Gerald Painter Gerald Painter has a question!
March 7 @ 11:13pm
I now have 4 cousins (a 1st, 2x5th, and a 6th) and my Dad who have tested. they all match, either exactly or within a genetic distance of 3. They share a surname and we have a paper trail between us. My Dad has done the Big Y and the cousins just the Y-37; all have the DYS388 marker value of 13 except for the 6th cousin who has 14. I would assume he is a G-L497 also but...I thought G-L497 men always have a DYS388 marker value of 13. Could you explain please? Thanks.
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Gerald Painter
March 15 @ 7:36pm
The BAM file is ready. Do I need to pay the $49 to join Yfull? Or is there another way to upload the file? Thanks about Mr. Urwiller...I had noticed before that he is a relatively close match. Maureen
Brian Hamman
March 19 @ 2:15pm
Hi Maureen, Yes, unfortunately, in order to get the full benefit from Yfull's analysis, you have to pay the $49. Thanks, Brian
Maureen Vanek
March 24 @ 6:36pm
Thanks for that, Brian.
Gerald Painter
24 hours ago
I am in the process of doing the YFull upload. I gave YFull the BAM file link and am waiting for them to respond that the link works, etc. and then I will pay. Maureen
Curtis Wise Curtis Wise has a question!
Yesterday at 12:28pm
And where can one find the latest of Rolf's charts? They're fascinating!!
Curtis Wise Curtis Wise has a question!
Yesterday at 12:13pm
Brian,
Curtis Wise
Yesterday at 12:25pm
(Sorry; didn't realize that an "Enter" would terminate the entering of a question. )
Curtis Wise Curtis Wise has a question!
Yesterday at 12:24pm
Brian, I can only assume that my G-L497 SNP testing was completed because I show up on Rolf's Chart "A" under the Y11074 marker as "Wise" which is labeled as a "New branch implied by G-L497 SNP Pack results." (1) Since I don't recall seeing any confirmation from FTDNA to that effect, is my assumption correct? (2) I note that there is an SNP test available for members of the Y11074 marker; would it be beneficial to the project for that test to be taken as well?
Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
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February 4 @ 1:40pm
Enos Louis Flores
March 10 @ 11:20am
@ CTS4803 "Flores Hispanic" no designation. What does it mean? I see the legend...but does it have a designation?
Alejandro Escontrias
March 24 @ 6:26pm
This means it isn't validated yet, needs more matches per ISOGG. I've been told this particular mini-branch is of interest since it appears to be the only one of Spanish origin within this branch, i think thats how i understand it anyway
Richard Holtman Richard Holtman has a question!
March 24 @ 1:22pm
Hello. It seems that there is a problem with people and their BAM files. You don't need to send it to YFull and pay $49. Please E-mail me and I'll give you step by step instructions on how to view your BAM file for free. My E-mail is richardholtman10@gmail.com. I will show you how to to index the BAM file and how to read it and what to look for
7 Recent New Members
March 22 @ 9:17pm
7 new members have joined this project!
Robert Bingham Andrea Cattani Nisse. c/o lindskog88@hotmail.com Robert Lewis Sverker Jansson Vincent Trankina Philip Babin