G-L497 Y-DNA

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Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
April 20 @ 10:00am
David Andrews
October 28 @ 7:56am
Joseph, I am in the same boat as you! We are Andrews by name, but Billings by DNA. Oops! lol
Rudi Blondia
October 28 @ 5:04pm
Nathan Bowen, which Welsh resources are you using ? I worked a while ago on a Morgan/Phillips line and some of these names are very familiar Stackpole, Nest, Howell Vychan ... as far as I remember, most of Welsh genealogy comes through a few chieftains and princes
Gary Wells
November 12 @ 5:23pm
Nathan Bowen: We have a lot in common. Sir, please contact me (all concerned with this contact message. We have a lot to talk about.
Gary Wells
3 hours ago
Look at Dunkin so Owain Stueward to Robert Earl of Glouster born between 1082 and 1130.
matthew watkins matthew watkins
October 28 @ 9:10pm
About being welsh---- I am also considered welsh in the paternal line although when I crossed referenced all the watkins men they were Celtic r1b. There were none watkins who were G but my own family. Maybe this is not big enough data base. I heard more G men in Wales than in England due to the roman era. I doubt G men are Celts at all. R1b is Celtic men that we see in Scotland Ireland Brittany and Spain. G men must have married into Celtic women and families. Over time they lost their paternal origins. It was shocking to me to be G man, I assumed I would be R1b. I also been investing possible royal noble families that were G. For example , how to view richard Iii as at G man? What does that mean for other G men in england? Are they related? I also have been looking into the corbet family in england who were welsh marcher Lord's. They came with william in like 1050. They are listed as G L497. Could these noble or knights have spread the G man seed throughout Britain. Because we have to consider how difficult it was to survive. Only the strong and wealthy could survive. Well i am still exploring the world.
jeffrey andle
October 28 @ 9:40pm
My understanding is that G was there first (and others) and R is the Angles, Saxons, Vikings, and Normans. Perhaps I am oversimplifying.
Dustin Souers
October 30 @ 10:46pm
Haplogroup G based on my reading is the older based on known remains in Europe.
Kristian Lahdensuo
November 1 @ 5:13am
I wonder why haplogroup G is not mentioned even in the uncommon haplogroups in Wikipedia:
10 hours ago
I have read the final report (written in French) of Richard Jones of the University of Leicester, (ref “The Historical Genetics of the Cotentin Peninsula”) The aim of this study was to determine the DNA impact of the Viking invasions on the population of Normandy. Regarding the G haplogroup, I have noticed in this report, 3 interesting and puzzling things: It was unexpected: “The presence of the G haplogroup in our samples was unexpected, and particularly at the frequency it was found (4 individuals, 5% of the population). This haplogroup is rare in the west of Europe (usually less than 5%). (page 19) The Wirral Peninsula (north-west of England) was colonized by the Vikings too, but the DNA study has shown that the haplogroup percentages differ substantially from the percentages found in Cotentin, in particular the G haplogroup does not exceed 3%. (page 21) “The genetic separation between Normandy and Brittany becomes clearer. In fact it is surprising to see how both duchies are genetically different. The biggest difference is the presence of much more J1 (young lineages Germanic/Scandinavian) and G (old lineages from Caucasus) in the population of Normandy, which seem to replace R1b. Briefly speaking, Brittany is linked with Cornwall and other Celtic regions, such as Wales and Ireland. To conclude, despite of their geographical and historical proximity, the study suggests different genetic origins for these populations.” (pages 23) So apparently there is a G singularity in Normandy, but it is not obvious to explain it (the study does not reveal the surnames and subclades, but I have noticed that some G-CTS4803 bear Norman patronyms).
M J Quinn M J Quinn has a question!
November 8 @ 7:14am
I've heard that (even at the reduced upgrade rates) the Big Y 700 test will not be as useful for many genealogical lines as further SNP testing. Do the G-L497 administrators/co-administrators have a general opinion for G-L497 researchers?
Karl Whittington
November 12 @ 1:34pm
I took the autosomal DNA test at Ancestry first and it identified thousands of cousins, including ten distant paternal relatives with the same Whittington surname. Ancestry estimates they are from fourth to eighth cousins. But they are no more specific than that. But we have not been able to establish the link and we are trying now to establish our most likely common ancestor. And that is the reason I took this YDNA test. I have solid documentation going back ten generations on my line so it ought to be fairly simple to help these distant cousins find their missing link with the right test would it not?
Charles Stewart
November 12 @ 2:51pm
Yes, in some cases, it will. Ancestry is where I started with autosomal, and then I transferred that data to Family Tree. What I, personally, have found to be true is the autosoaml matches will be to those well researched lines. In my case, those lines are primarily maternal. So it hasn't generated any useful data on my G (paternal line). My closest Y match is a 3 step at 111...checking autosomal, he doesn't appear in my Family Finder (though he tested for Family Finder). So he turned out to be a sixth or greater cousin. Using the combination of autosomal and Y has been helpful in that respect.
Rudi Blondia
November 16 @ 11:03am
Just reiterating what Karl and Charles have stated. I started a year ago with autosomal, 23and me (G-Z16775) and then Ancestry. Learned about the challenges but found a few remote matches that were on both platforms in places I didn't expect. Started writing, connected by written documentation etc. Then I fed both autosomal tests into GEDmatch and uncovered matches that I connected with 5-8 generations out. Fed the data equally in FF and MyHeritage. I have NPE's in both paternal and maternal lines, 5 generations out. My Y-DNA research may help nailing one of them (if I'm lucky, it's all about statistics) but two surnames pop up in large numbers across all DNA database platforms ...Nichols (UK) and Anderson (across Scandinavia), so, there's hope to find these elusive connections. (Myers and Oliver/Olivieri are close seconds) The vast majority of my DNA is in Flanders, Belgium but we're a historic meltpot with a lot of migration in and out and roaming armies over history. I'm currently waiting for the data on my L497 SNP packs to see where I end up on that line ... G-Z16775 or down from there.
Rolf Carlsson
16 hours ago
But forget Andersson as surname. It is a Patronymic, the son of Anders. Anders was the most common given name for boys in Sweden. The Swedish surname legislation was introduced as late as 1903.
jeffrey andle jeffrey andle
Yesterday at 11:53pm
4th-5th cousin just popped up on 23&me with the right surname and terminal snp to confirm my father's father's identity. Maybe I can ease him into testing here.
Aaron Taylor Aaron Taylor has a question!
November 15 @ 9:03pm
I am pretty new to this and was asked to join this project by Brian after my Y DNA results, I also went ahead and ordered the SNPs he suggested. My profile says they are done but I have no idea what to make of it. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or help me interpret my results?
James Griffis James Griffis has a question!
November 12 @ 2:35pm
Have any of the G-L497 charts been recently updated? The following is my haplogroup path which I believe leads to an area in Wales: M-201 > L89 > P15 > L1259 > L30 > L141 > P303 > L140 >PF3346 > PF3345 >L497 > CTS9737 >Z1817 >Z727 >FGC477 > Z6748 > FGC490 > Z40857 > Y132505 > BY211678
Gary Wells
November 12 @ 4:55pm
To James Griffis: I have had an interest in Wales (Druid) blood lines for a while. I am a G-haplotype M201, however, a cousin of mine is a M289. We both are descendants of Thomas Wells born 1653. A closer common ancestor is John Boyd Jr. Wells born between 1790 and 1800 Maryland. Some of my ancestors from Wales: Bran king of Siluria married Anna of Aramathia, Owain Afallach, his brother Euddolen ap Afallach and Henry Plantagenet (also a Wales resident). The Plantagenet's are suspected G-haplotype. Please contact me at
Duayne King Duayne King has a question!
June 26 @ 12:11pm
Hello all Please forgive my ignorance, I'm just starting to try and understand these deeper haplogroup DNA results. I took the 23 and me test several years ago and got the return that my Paternal lineage was G-L30. Now I've taken the Y-111 and am G-L497. So is this result a more refined G-L30? Also is there maybe something a bit more basic that the group could recommend? I enjoyed reading "The Rise of Haplogroup G2a-L497 in Central Europe". It's very interesting but a bit confusing to me for now. Wikipedia is not very clear. Thank for letting me join the group and for any help anyone is willing to give. Duayne King Kit # B391265
Rolf Carlsson
August 25 @ 9:22am
Just be careful not comparing male and female uncles. They will have different YDNA.
Eliazar Chapa
August 31 @ 3:51pm
Just purchased an upgrade to BigY 700 for Eliazar Chapa, kit MK50665. Looking forward to the results.
Rolf Carlsson
September 1 @ 8:05am
Very good indeed
Eliazar Chapa
November 12 @ 12:04pm
The BIGY700 results for kit MK50665, Eliazar Chapa, were received last week. He is still G-Z41650 with no matches. Could one of the admins recommend next steps, additional SNP testing? Is there simply no additional information available? Any response would be greatly appreciated.
David Litton David Litton
July 19 @ 2:03pm
A big new paper about ancient DNA from the Viking age has been published this week. In the extensive discussion of it on Anthrogenica I noticed that three males (among the 442 samples of both sexes) were from haplogroup G. One poorly preserved sample (VK140 from Denmark) only revealed the G2a level (P15/PF3112). The other two fall within this project. Sample VK39 from Skara-Varnhem, 10th to 12th century, was CTS11352/Z759. And sample VK479 from Gotland-Kopparsvik, 900-1050, was S2808>S23438. Here is a forum thread on which the paper is being discussed:
Dag Bremberg
October 23 @ 3:30pm
OK, Kristian, that means to me that we have not really confirmed Buller. Right? In that case who is the earliest Y-person that you have confirmed in first-hand-sources?
Rolf Carlsson
November 2 @ 7:58am
In my earlier correspondence with Kristian, I was of the opinion that he had a paper trail to Buller. I still believe he was a Swedish soldier in Finland (Buller - Noise).
Eliazar Chapa
November 7 @ 1:27pm
Hello, BIGY700 for kit MK50665, Eliazar Chapa is complete. G-Z41650 and no matches.
Eliazar Chapa
November 9 @ 12:19pm
Besides, uploading to YFull, are there any suggestions for further pinpointing and identifying origins and closest matches?
Dustin Souers Dustin Souers
September 23 @ 7:21pm
Hi Fellow Cousins! I am excited to get back my BigY test. It looks like I was placed into CTS4803+ and based on selecting my SNPs at it's a 77% that is right. I'm still trying to confirm my last name changed when they migrated to the US from Switzerland. I look forward into helping us all unlock our past! Edit: BigY700 is still pending. I meant I am excited it is on it's way. :)
Rolf Carlsson
September 24 @ 8:36am
Just wait for the detailed analysis to be made by Ray Banks. Yes, you should be downstream CTS4803. Is it the original BigY or an upgrade from B500 to B700?
Dustin Souers
September 24 @ 5:28pm
Hi Walter, CTS4803 isn't my terminal. On the DNA Results I was grouped to CTS4803+. Hi Rolf, my BigY700 is pending in batch 999.
Dustin Souers
November 7 @ 2:27pm
Results are in. G-Z44658. Might have one match on here downstream of it.
jeffrey andle
November 9 @ 8:46am
I was so hoping for another Swiss G-L667!
matthew watkins matthew watkins
October 28 @ 8:56pm
Rolf that's a good diagram.