G-L497 Y-DNA

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Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
Admin
March 14 @ 5:46pm
Rolf Langland
March 14 @ 5:46pm
Another re-post of this chart to correct a typo. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PXMO0Exrt-qd1VWj0nncIxAe6qPM9tbn
Karl Whittington
March 17 @ 5:39pm
Thank you and please accept my apologies for my prior misunderstanding and earlier comments.
Rudi Blondia Rudi Blondia
March 5 @ 8:08pm
My big-Y came in, not sure what I'm learning out of this yet. Other than there are no matches but that's not a surprise. Kit 914823
Mauricio Cattel
March 13 @ 7:39am
Hi, Rudi. Congrats! Answered by email.
James Griffis James Griffis
February 28 @ 10:22am
Group Administrators - You may wish to consider realigning Kit Number 125476 next to mine (851614) or within the general G-L497 group you have placed me. Despite the limited number of markers (37) he has tested for, we have a genetic distance of 2 on those markers and on the basis of traditional 'paper' genealogical research, he traces his surname back to my common ancestor. Although I have had difficulty contacting this individual in the attempt to have him perform additional Y tests, despite the limited DNA testing on his part, I can verify his lineage back to our common ancestor.
James Griffis
February 28 @ 6:50pm
Maurizio cattel
James Griffis
February 28 @ 6:53pm
Sorry I am on a cell phone and tried to write a reply... Maurizio thank you so much for reach out to me in a quick reply on this issue! This reflects how much you enjoy this research! I appreciate all that you and the administrators do!
Mauricio Cattel
February 29 @ 11:14am
Hi, James! Not at all. It's our pleasure. :) I moved that kit based on the information you provided. Thank you for pointing it out!
Steven Perry Steven Perry has a question!
February 20 @ 10:09am
Why is it that my Genetic Distance (2) from my uncle is the same distance from 5 other people that I am not directly related too? My deceased uncle did a Y-37 test and I recently did a Y-111 test.
Charles Stewart
February 20 @ 1:08pm
Steven: I, too, have a (2) at 111 markers with a different surname. Fortunately, we both did Family Finder (autosomal) testing. He does not show in my at matches, which means he can be no closer than a sixth cousin. You may want to try that method. I've learned that someone is not necessarily close even though he shows in one's Y matches.
Robert Flachs
February 20 @ 1:45pm
In Y DNA testing there are both STR markers and SNPs. A way to think of it is that STR markers change frequently, while SNPs only change every couple hundred years. You and your uncle are comparing STR markers, if you tested SNPs they would likely be the same.
Charles Stewart
February 20 @ 4:18pm
SNP testing with Yseq or the Big Y will identify one's specific branch. But a quick way to check for close STR matches is to cross check with autosomal (Family Finder).
patrice bauduhin patrice bauduhin has a question!
December 17 @ 12:18pm
Hi, my name is Patrice Bauduhin. My kit is 254477 (L497). I have not done the bigY. Is it possible to predict further results with the results I have? Is there benefits to make more tests? My main interest is mainly genealogical. My paternal genealogical tree goes up to the end of 17th century, from a village called Lecelles, nord, France (17 kms from the Belgium boarder); it is possible that we come from Belgium. Regards
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Carl Frederick
December 31 @ 12:55pm
Patrice, I would love to speak with you. In a very old text on the Normans who came to England I read that the name Bodkin (Galway, IRL and England) was derived from the name Baudewyn. I have some contacts working on this connection from both a historical and family context. I’d be happy to share my email with you if we are permitted.
Kristian Lahdensuo
February 5 @ 6:08pm
Would be interesting if Bodkins were G as they are one of the 14 tribes of Galway where I happen to live. I noticed another Irish name Burke in table FGC477 Branch BY198769. Burkes (de Burgh) are known in Galway and have been said to founded it, their castle ruins are near the centre. By the way inside St. Nicholas Church in Galway, there is a grave from the 13th century of a knight templar Adam Bure. Bure is one G family in Sweden, but probably unrelated, just made me wonder.
Carl Frederick
February 8 @ 9:00am
Kristian - the tribes arrived pretty much en masse in 1100s. But the same Normans also settled in England. Theoretically there should be matches in all three places at least. However, there are G-Bodkins in Galway who work in our group.
Kristian Lahdensuo
February 10 @ 12:50am
I have matches in Ireland and Britain, but I think they came from Swedish Vikings settling around Lancashire in UK. The Norman G connections probably would not be visible in my YDNA matches. I wonder how many hundreds/thousands of years back Bodkins would be. 12 out of 14 tribes of Galway were Norman.
Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
Admin
February 2 @ 3:37pm
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James Griffis
February 4 @ 11:30am
Maurico and Rolf - I appreciate your work and quick incisive responses. Can you point to any documents that explain the the logic and differences between FamilytreeDNA and ISOGG nomenclature, I think part of my challenge is interpreting and understanding the differences between SNP definitions. I did not realize FT48097 was a terminal SNP of mine since my dashboard in FamilyTree indicates BY211678. Again you all do a great job!
Mauricio Cattel
February 5 @ 8:45am
James, I answered you by email!
James Griffis
February 5 @ 1:39pm
Mauricio provided a wonderful explanation to my questions. Hopefully he will not be offended if I provide a version of his response. I hope I have not misconstrued his response, if so please forgive me Maurcio: Here goes:
James Griffis
February 5 @ 1:40pm
Understanding and interpreting Y-Haplogroup trees and SNPs can be confusing to those just discovering the insights of DNA genealogy. This is highly dependent on the data available, how the data is used across different DNA companies naming conventions, all of which may affect phylogeny. Also, the criteria used for judging the quality of certain SNP may vary as well. Regarding questions concerning one’s terminal SNP and where is may land on a given branch on a Y-tree, some branches are defined by more than one SNP, and these are the so-called "equivalent SNPs". Any SNP in a given level could in theory represent the branch, since we are talking about equivalents. They will not necessarily keep as equivalents forever, but they represent a current situation in term of test results and comparison. One SNP is equivalent to some other when every man in a given sample population of data tested positive for a specific SNP also tested positive for the other. If any new testee, for example, is positive for some and negative for other current equivalents, then they won't be equivalents anymore. We would then have a new branch. All that said, which SNP to choose to represent the branch then? There is not a well defined rule. YFull may prefer SNPs named by YFull, FTDNA may prefer SNPs named by FTDNA. One way or another, we cannot expect the SNP (or even the name of the SNP) to be the same, since each company has its own criteria.   In our case with the L-497 group, the SNP chosen by FTDNA is just an equivalent of the SNP in Rolf's Chart, and the SNP might be one shared with person / name as DNA database currently stands. FTDNA may not have your terminal SNP in its tree because, again, this SNP is not shared with a second man. That's how FTDNA tree works.  But if you want to find your terminal SNP in FTDNA, just access your BigY results, Private Variants, and check the SNP listed in there. If it were proven shared with another man, it would form a branch, so it would not be a terminal SNP anymore. i.e., it would not be listed there as a private variant. For example, I am labeled as G-BY211678 because BY211678 (or Y132530 etc...) is my "lowest level"  SNP shared with someone (Williams). The Williams are labeled differently, as FT119236, because they themselves share SNPs below BY211678. In other words, because FT119236 is their "lowest level"  SNP (plus equivalents) shared with someone (there is more than one Williams tested for BigY… which underscores the benefits of having more folks complete the Big Y test). You can check equivalent SNPs in FTDNA Y-Haplotree (check the word "More" at the right of the SNPs chosen for representing the branches - https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree), YFull tree (click on +..SNPs - https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L497/) and ISOGG tree (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/111Iqo0vRt-sr8MJT7pavKQ0qoWxYSc1P7hnMRq3GijU/edit#gid=0). (Again, the equivalents won't be necessarily the same in all trees.)
Leonard Sullivan Leonard Sullivan has a question!
February 2 @ 5:23pm
Hi. I am fairly new to this group. After testing and finding out my Y DNA haplogroup is G-M201 and am a descendant of Thomas 'the miller' Lincoln, I am trying to determine who my paternal grandfather was. Have completed the Y-111 and Family Finder tests which confirmed the Lincoln connection. I had testing done with another company and they came back with a G-Z30771 determination. Wondering if testing further SNPs here would be beneficial in confirming that and possibly narrowing down relatives. If so, which test is the best to order? My test kit is #905155. Thank you for any assistance and guidance.
Mauricio Cattel
February 3 @ 8:21am
Hi, Leonard. That's curious. I'll write you an email about it. Regards!
Rolf Langland Rolf Langland
Admin
February 2 @ 3:34pm
Rolf Langland
February 2 @ 3:35pm
This is a new chart of the G-FGC809 branch under G-L497. A pdf version can be found at https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YyBG317gG4tWvj513LumlatNTY27rZB2 . The upper part of the L497 SNP chart is posted above. Charts for SNPs under G-L43, G-CTS4803 and G-Z16775 will be posted in the near future.
Carl Garber Carl Garber has a question!
November 24 @ 5:20pm
Hello, I am in a similar situation as Aaron. I am pretty new to this and was asked to join by Brian. So I said OK. I have no idea what I should do next. Are there some SNP's I should be ordering to try to find how I fit into that big DNA chart. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Walter Williamson
November 30 @ 10:19am
Hello Carl, I saw your post and checked your Kit# against the YDNA Charts and discovered your Ancestor Origin is Switzerland. That peeked my curiosity, hoping you might be a G-CTS4803, which is in Chart C, that was suggested for Arron Taylor to view. I am a G-CTS4803 with a downstream branch of G-S15656. So, since you do not have SNP testing yet, I looked at your STR's. It seems that you are probably a G-L43, which is a different branch altogether. You can find it on both the "Haplogroup G-L497 Phylogentic Tree Chart", which is the overall Chart for G-L497. G-L43 will be at the bottom of this chart. The more specific chart is Chart A, which is dedicated to the L43/L42 Branch and provides information on downstream branches. You can find these charts by scrolling down and down the thread until you finally come to them. I am NOT an admin on this project. And I don't want to step on any ones toes. I was just being curious. One of the Admins for this Project can give you much better advice, because they have access to your data. Which will allow them to discern which testing will have the best chances for gaining your goals.
Brian Hamman
December 2 @ 5:43am
Hi guys. I just responded to Carl via email. He is in a branch of L43/L42 tracing back over 500 years in Switzerland.. His Gerber line connects a little further back (>500 yrs?) to Bohme, Bieri, and Stickle...
Robert Flachs
December 14 @ 3:28pm
That is a neat 500 year old cluster there, I’d be interested in seeing how many private SNP’s they all have.
Gary Wells
February 2 @ 10:12am
I am to say you are a ((with note given to the 14 missing DYS 19 (**/15)) you are a direct descendant of the kings of France who display a 15 at DYS 19. Try comparing their DNA to your's. My DNA is close enough to E and F to say I am a cousin, however, I retained the double markers at DYS 19 (12/15). The double markers at DYS 19 is my true interest.What caused the deviations of (12), (13), (14), ..., (16) and (17). (15) is the base marker we all skare. I have begun to think they may have orginally been tribal markers. My (12), I believe, is a Saudi Arabian tribal marker. There are several people of Saudi Arabia descent not influenced by Europe influence during the Crusade's whom possess a DYS 19 (12/15).
Allen Distler Allen Distler
December 3 @ 6:49am
First post to group. Brick wall is Distler b. 1748 Pirmasens, Pfalz, Germany. This region was decimated in wars and was repopulated by Swiss immigrants according to history books. Nice to see Swiss lineage here. Mapping reflects Swiss migration north along the Rhine through Alsace, France to Pfalz in 17th century. My new 67 results should provide more focus. Thanks for the group invite.
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Jamie Dohn
January 17 @ 8:13pm
Hi Allen, I can't access the link you posted because I'm not a member of the US Ancestry site (I have a tree/DNA on the Canadian version, but I'm not currently a subscriber). I know there are some people who have taken things further back on the internet, but frankly I'm not sure they have been very careful in their work.
Allen Distler
January 19 @ 6:49am
Jamie, see if this looks like a good match for you: https://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i366/addistler/dohn.jpg
Jamie Dohn
January 24 @ 5:26pm
Hi, thanks Allen. I have seen that version of the tree before and I believe I've even been in conversation with someone who uploaded it online before. It turns out they got it from someone, who got it from someone, who I'm not sure had strong evidence for the relationship connections. I'm open to the possibility that they're right, but I just haven't found proof of it so far.
Gary Wells
January 31 @ 10:32pm
I have noticed only G - haplotypes have two alleles at DYS 19. I have a (12/15). Double alleles at this location is signatory to the Middle East. The fact that two of the bodies found in Germany were G - haplotypes does not surprise me. Consider that "Richard III, Henry IV and Louis XVI have been deturmined to be G - haplotypes. With that in mind let us assume that the Plantagenet, the Capetions, the Robertians, the Carolinines and the Merovingins are G - haplotypes and I believe they are. Henry II Plantagenet is a Y DNA descended of "Saint Angilbert de Ponthieu, Abbot of Saint-Riquier whom is believed to be the son of Charles (the Hammer) Martel. It is with absolute certainty he came from the Carolinian Court. I believe all of the above are descended from or are blood relation to Ragaise De Toxan born c 270. If I am correct then the two G - haplotypes found in Germany their graves robbed) whom were seemingly killed between 600/700 AD could very well be Merovain of descent and in that their bodies were the only ones robbed would indicate they were buried with their valuables