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Granuaile OFlanagan Granuaile OFlanagan
Admin
October 7 @ 12:51am
Those members who have had the Big Y test done, please consider adding your information to The Big Tree. They will do a free analysis, identify mutations and place you on The Big Tree. Instructions are here: http://www.ytree.net/Instructions.html It requires uploading your VCF file to the Y-DNA Data Warehouse at: http://www.haplogroup-r.org/submit_data.php Please consider doing this if you have had the Big Y test done. My paternal results just came in last Thursday and are already played in their relative position on the Big Y. There are only two Flanagans that I can see on the Big Tree at the moment. This link is to the block my paternal line falls on and is an example of how they place the data: https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=565 I would also encourage adding at Yfull as well, though they have a fee of $49 for analysis. They can be found here: https://www.yfull.com Grace
Granuaile O'Flanagan
January 7 @ 8:30am
I should note here, that The Big Tree is focused on R-P312 but also is adding R-U106 as well. Also, if you want to find out more about where you fit in the haplotree and haven't tested SNPs or done the Big Y500 I encourage you to. You may well find that you are dangling alone there, but the only way it fills in is people testing. My paternal line is hanging out there alone for now but it makes a contribution - it's taken things a step and is under a branch that is estimated as just being a bit under 1000 years old.
Ronald Flanigan Ronald Flanigan has a question!
January 6 @ 9:10pm
Why is project so inactive when there are so many Flan*gan members?
Granuaile O'Flanagan
January 7 @ 8:23am
The project itself is pretty active, though it's up to people to make the discussions here more active. There are a lot of members, and I welcome discussions here. However, the project's main focus is Y-DNA, and as you can see from the results page we're in a diverse range of haplogroups, with a lot of individuals not testing beyond STRs to actually determine their haplogroups. A lot are only tested as or predicted to be M269 but that's a very ancient haplogroup - it encompasses the large R-P312 tree (which further down includes the M222 haplogroup) and another large tree, R-U106. We are waiting for Big Y results from an individual who has been a member of the project since we first started it and when those are in they will likely form a subclade that seems to be Galway-based - downstream of M222. Right now they are at A259, but when the second set of results come back they will likely result in several new named haplogroups under A259. I agree there isn't a lot of discussion here, in fact there have been more discussions in our closed Clan Flanagan group on Facebook. I'd certainly like to see more here as well. I'd also like to see more people testing SNPs or getting the Big Y 500 and then adding their results to The Big Tree and at Yfull (these are not associated with FTDNA). I'm probably lax on pushing people to test at the Big Y level, but it's expensive and no guarantees that testers will find matches but is useful information. My paternal line is dangling on the haplotree way downstream of M222 with closest matches being a group of Swedes, and it's probably going to be alone there for some time, until someone tests who is in it. So please people, feel free to chime in.
Ronald Flanigan
January 8 @ 7:29pm
I liked your comments. There are a several reasons motivating me to begin the search for our origins. The search, no the adventure, began a little over three years ago after my wife, Peggy had to be moved into a long term dementia care group home, we are both over 80 years of age. Which brings me to the first reason. All of our parents and their ancestor are now deceased and my wife's memory is gone. Wow, I was struck by the realization that only my siblings and I have the collective memories, undated and unidentified photographs and documents to pass on to our children. Fortunately, my younger brother Richard, aided by his wife and children, researched and wrote a book about the Flanigans. We will be internally grateful to him and all who helped in producing this family treasure. ( The book is, "Flanigan Footprints from Ireland To Princeton," By:Richard D. Flanigan, International Standard Book Number 0-87012-567-2, Library of Congress Card Number 96-096891.) So, my first motivating reason was to get busy and do my part while I am able :). The second reason is that most of the family history has been passed on generation to generation orally; therefore, lacks documentation. I have joined FamilySearch, MyHeritage and FamilyTreeDNA to find documents and DNA evidence. To date, my search has produced about 9,500 ancestors, both paternal (Flanigan, Flanagan or Flannagan) and maternal (Sowers or Sauers) . The search of the Sowers line has been relatively easy when compared to the Flanigan line. As mentioned here before, I have not been able to find any documentation earlier than the 1855 Griffith's Valuation of Tenants, Parish of Kilshanny, County Clare, Ireland. The document shows Michael FlanIgan (abt. 1790-1855), my GG Grandfather, as occupier of tract 7 and a Bridget FlanAgan as occupier of tract 6. The relationship between the two is unknown, since a family diary documents that Michael was married to Mary Fitzgerald who died in 1832. This marks the spot where I am faced with my brick wall. I am not giving up the search yet.... However, my goal is revised. My revised goal is to document at least two more generations of Flanigans, then shut down the search, clean up the family tree, then publish and distribute a report. I hope DNA will get me over, under or around the wall.
Granuaile O'Flanagan
January 8 @ 8:40pm
I can understand. I've been researching my family history for over 40 years, now I'm a couple of months away from 65, both my brothers are gone, parents, and of aunts and uncles I have 1 uncle on maternal side (who refused to do a DNA test) and 1 aunt on my paternal side who did an autosomal test last Spring. No one has really compiled a genealogy of our lineage and it's so far back that I think finding records isn't too likely but I'll never give up. I've been in Thailand for 10 years, now moving back to the states next summer and hoping to attend Genetic Genealogy Ireland next Fall, if they have it again, and go back for 3 months in Spring 2020 partly because never been and partly because I want to try to recruit Flanagan males to the project. I'd like to at least get their DNA in with at least 12 marker tests and go from there, with a goal of having viable DNA representing Flanagans in different parts of Ireland, sort of a geographical Flanagan DNA atlas. Also, even though I may never find a documented trail back to Ireland, I am hoping I can find an SNP trail that narrows it down to a particular place. I've gotten my paternal line's SNP trail of known variants down to around 750-1000 years ago based on SNPs and the 4 or 5 SNPs that are more recent and hence not named (because my paternal kit is the only one having them in FTDNA so far) would help identify a particular line if there are any male descendants who tested. It's safe to say that they would be R-BY11687 and almost certainly have 26 STR repeats at DYS390. My paternal kit does have an exact 12 marker match from the Genographic project but they aren't in the project and apparently have their results so locked down they can't even be contacted. I'm really thrilled too with the two individuals with Galway roots who aren't close matches to my line, one drops off our matches after 25 markers and the other after 67, and their SNP trail diverged from my line around 1600 years ago, before surnames. One of them, whose results we are still waiting for has been in the project since 2004, and a newer member matched really closely with them and we're expecting they will form a new branch on the haplogroup tree. Not that close to me but it does show it's possible. Too I'm hoping I will find someone in that Gloucester County, NJ line to test, preferably more than one, and I'd like to find out more about the Thomas Flanagan sentenced in Nottingham to transport in the 1720s. About comments, I do wish people would post more here. We do have somewhat more open discussions about things on the Clan Flanagan closed FB group. We also have an email group at Yahoo but very inactive compared to the FB group. Most of the surname groups I belong to tend to be very quiet though. It's the haplogroup ones that tend to have much activity, maybe because of the sheer number of participants and also they have volunteers who are more scientifically-minded.
Granuaile O'Flanagan Granuaile O'Flanagan
January 8 @ 11:05am
Just throwing something out for discussion, spark some activity. Might be a bit rambling, I blame the gift of gab or an ancestor kissing the Blarney Stone. Ronald's post yesterday was accurate, there are a lot of us but not a lot of posting. When I first started this project, it was to allow people to get the discounts that FTDNA offered people testing via projects and to find close Flanagan relatives. I posted in some groups promoting the project and send flyers to every Flanagan household I could identify in Kentucky, without a lot of luck. One person (a Flanagan) in a group I posted in said, "There are lots of Flanagans and none of them related". Obviously that wasn't intended literally, but there were at least 5 historical Flanagan families and likely more adopted the name as surnames came into common usage in Ireland around 1000 years ago. There were also adoptions (my Flanagan line has 2 DNA signatures due to an adoption by my 3rd great grandparents but it matches the DNA signature of a line of the French family (my 3rd great grandmother's surname). Our haplogroups are across a spectrum, mostly somewhere under the R1b haplotree, My paternal line's closest matches with the Flanagan name branch out under a branch of R-M222 named DF105, but it's age estimate is around 1560 years so well before surnames. We would have had a common ancestor but it would have been that far back. Ultimately I do hope to narrow down origins, M222 means likely Connachta or Ua Neill but that is way broad. Ultimately I hope enough Flanagans test SNPs/Big Y500/Other to match up and maybe have a good knowledge of their origins in Ireland. I hope within my lifetime :). It ends at R-BY11687 though there are some unnamed variants presumably more recent than it. The Big Tree doesn't have an age estimate for it, though they estimate it's parent haplogroup at about 950 years before present and Yfull, which I submitted the results to for analysis estimated R-BY11687 at 750 years. I think both of those might be a little later than actual ages. R-BY11687 is kind of interesting in that FTDNA shows 6 Big Y matches under that, one a Maloney and the other 5 all Swedes whose info mostly indicates from the Swedish-Finnish border. I imagine and Irish ancestor taken prisoner by Vikings or maybe willingly going with them, maybe even a Flanagan cousin. My family can be traced back pretty easily to the 1700s in America with documentation, to John Flanagan who was born about 1767/68 and has tons of descendants through his son Bryant, as far as known his only son, though there are a lot of myths about the family - some claim he and his son Bryant were born in Ireland, other erroneous statements say Bryant and Milly married on a boat from Ireland. Those are just simply not substantiated by documented facts. I have Bryant and Milly's marriage record from Wayne County, Kentucky! And Milly French's line, through Daniel French, goes way back in America, may generations. John apparently came to Kentucky by way of North Carolina, much like my Coffeys and is probably the John Flanagan that married Betty Cardwell in Wilkes County - autosomal matches with descendants of Betty's father Perrin tend to support that. Also I have found some inaccuracies in documents, John's death record especially; whoever gave the information in it gave his father's name as Bryant and his birthplace as Kentucky, both of which are not substantiated - his son Bryant died some 20 years earlier so I'm guessing whoever provided the info mistook Bryant for John's father, and Kentucky was not settled when John would have been born. A researcher named Carl Flanagan, who is deceased and passed before DNA testing became an accessible tool, linked my John with the John Flanagan born in Gloucester County, New Jersey to James and Sarah (Helm) Flanagan in 1767. The date is right, and that John's birth was recorded in the records of Old Trinity Episcopal Church, which before that was a Swedish Lutheran Church. He also listed Thomas Flanagan as the father of James and as the immigrant ancestor, he would have been born around 1700, maybe within a decade before that. How he actually came to America really isn't certain. There was an account he fled Ireland as a young boy. I also found a record of a Thomas Flanagan sentenced to transportation in the 1720s, from Nottinghamshire, England. However, the evidence linking my John to that family is pretty circumstantial. Anyway, I'm still hoping to find lost documents or more clues in Y-DNA than Northwest Irish Modal (which is erroneously referred to as the Neill of the Nine Hostages haplogroup). Now it's your turn. What do you know about your family's origins? What are you hoping to learn? What were your reasons for DNA testing, especially Y-DNA, and what are your goals in doing so? Do you plan to do additional testing for SNPs or the Big Y? The biggest group in our results chart is M269, either people who only tested that for or are predicted M269, and unless you have specifically SNP tested for M269 it could be a different haplogroup in actuality. R-M269 is extremely old - Yfull puts it as formed 13,300 years before present and time to most recent common ancestor at 6400 years (https://www.yfull.com/tree/r-m269). We also have members that are in other haplogroups including Haplogroup G and Haplogroup I.
Granuaile O'Flanagan
January 8 @ 11:52am
About M269, if you have the Niall of Nine Hostages badge, that indicates probably Northwest Irish Modal/M222 but not necessarily.
Granuaile OFlanagan Granuaile OFlanagan
Admin
November 15 @ 7:34am
Just an update. The project has 2 participants who have ordered the Big Y test. One has been a member of the project since the beginning. I suspect these 2 have a good chance of being fairly closely connected. I will be watching both to see where they end up and hope they will add their data to the Big Tree as well as here. It's kind of lonely out there on the Big tree, just 2 Flanagans (my paternal line and another unrelated line). It would be great to see more Flanagan branches sprouting and filling in). My thanks to both these members. The Big Y is on sale till November 22 and I believe there will be a sale at the end of the year. I know it's expensive even on sale and there are no guarantee of matches (my paternal line has few Flanagan matches not in my documented line and most disappear past 25--67 markers but I'm focusing now on SNPs and geographical correlations) - please encourage Flanagan males to Y-DNA test and join the project, that's the only way we will ever find each other, especially (IMHO) at very distant relationships. Sláinte!
Granuaile O'Flanagan Granuaile O'Flanagan
November 13 @ 10:28am
FTDNA is having their Fall sale now. If anyone is interested in testing Y-DNA or upgrading an existing Y-DNA test to Big Y now would be a good time. https://dna-explained.com/2018/11/13/family-tree-dna-holiday-sale-up-to-40-off
Granuaile OFlanagan Granuaile OFlanagan
Admin
October 24 @ 11:21pm
Males with the surname Flanagan or Flanagan paternity, please consider upgrading in the next sale from FTDNA. Also please consider verifying your haplogroups. Right now we have a lot of individuals predicted as M269 and it would be good to group those definitively.
L.D. FLANAGAN L.D. FLANAGAN
August 8 @ 1:38pm
AdministratorDoes this statement mean my uncle could be placed with the recently grouped 4 men from the large ungrounded mass? " R-FGC59393 is a subgroup of R-M198" if so, then perhaps Paul Flanagan would be also.
Granuaile OFlanagan
August 8 @ 10:19pm
Can you provide their kit numbers. Also are they members of the project? I couldn't find anyone named Paul as first name in our participant list. I did look at your matches at 111 but they are not members of the project, which is the only way to add them. If they join, I can, in fact I could create another subgroup more specific to your line under YP6291. However, I can't add people to the results - that is automated by FTDNA, though I can create and manage subgroups on the results chart.
L.D. FLANAGAN
August 10 @ 8:57am
I will contact LD FLANAGAN's 3 matches and encourage them to join this group. Only 1 has the Flanagan surname and he is Paul Flanagan, the known 1st cousin of LD Flanagan. Is there a way I can private message or email you? Rebecca Shumaker, manager of kit 629689, LD Flanagan
John Flanagan
August 18 @ 1:30pm
To contact Granuaile, click on the link at the left, under Administrators (directly above the blue Donate button).
Granuaile O'Flanagan
August 20 @ 8:28pm
Rebecca,. you can als send a message to granuaile54-genealogy@yahoo.com with a subject heading ATTN: FLANAGAN DNA PROJECT so it gets my attn.
John Flanagan John Flanagan has a question!
October 25, 2016 @ 11:30pm
I'm trying to learn more about the DNA Results and the chart categories. There are a lot of kits who are "Ungrouped". What does this mean? Will they put into a category later? And what is the NWIrishHaplotype? Thanks for any help that can be provided to help me understand this.
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L.D. FLANAGAN
August 7 @ 7:22am
I received an email that the kit I managing had been removed. Please review that decision or give me a reason for its removal. Kit 629689, LD Flanagan. I will try to give you advanced level access if you are willing to help me and make a recommendation as to the group I should be in. My uncle, grandfather and great-grandfather were Flanagan's from Washington County, Virginia. Many thanks for any assistance.
Granuaile O'Flanagan
August 7 @ 9:27pm
LD I was going back through the feed yesterday and saw a post some time back asking that a kit be removed, which I did after some thought. The post said it was added by accident. It was not #629689 though, rather it was kit #184731 which was Shumaker. A T. Beeman had requested it's removal and unless the direct paternal line is Flanagan it doesn't fit into our Y-DNA project. If you want to re-add it I am OK with that but just be aware if the paternal line is Shumaker it won't fit into our Y-results. Kit #629689 was not removed and is still here.
L.D. FLANAGAN
August 8 @ 1:26pm
Thank you 629689 is LD Flanagan (I had accidentally put my Beeman in this group at one time but I thought I had removed him). Is there anyone that can help me understand the few matches LD FLANAGAN has? The closest match, Paul Flanagan is his known 1st cousin. The other 2 matches seem to be several generations back but how far [in years or generations] is the question? I have my Flanagan line only back to 1865, my great grandfather William Washington Flanagan, in or near Washington County, Virginia. ANY help greatly appreciated.
Granuaile OFlanagan
August 8 @ 10:40pm
Under your matches there is a button, called TiP , usually the second under the name. If you click on it gives an estimate of generations as a percentage likelihood. For example I took the liberty of comparing your matches. It shows a 58% likelihood of a common ancestor within 8 generations for your second match, 74% on the third. They are both R-YP6291, the haplogroup that is the parent of yours, which suggests it's related but may be distant especially since it shows a GD of 7 and 10 for those matches. Yfull estimates R-YP6291 to have formed 3900 years ago and has a TMRCA at 600 years (not sure why they give such a big disparity).
Granuaile OFlanagan Granuaile OFlanagan
Admin
August 7 @ 12:48am
Just a note of a change in the grouping. I've been looking at SNPs on various sites and moved four of those listed as ungrouped into a new group, "R-M198". These all are in haplogroups that descend from M198 or are shown as M198. I will continue looking at the ungrouped results to see if I can group them more specifically unless people feel it's more useful to leave them together as ungrouped.
L.D. FLANAGAN
August 7 @ 7:23am
What group do you have kit 629689 in now? I can't find it.
Granuaile O'Flanagan
August 7 @ 9:16pm
It's still in the ungrouped at the bottom. I created the M198 because we had 4 individuals who shared that, similar to creating the M222 group. I've been using Ybrowse and Yfull to learn more about various confirmed terminal SNPs. Ybrowse (http://ybrowse.org/gb2/gbrowse_details/chrY?ref=chrY;start=2941647;end=2941647;name=FGC59393;class=Sequence;feature_id=3583;db_id=chrY%3Adatabase) shows your haplogroup as being under R-YP6291 at Yfull (https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP6291 - click on the info button for tabs listing SNPs including yours and STR information). YP6291at Yfull also has estimated age information as well as geographic locations associated with it. Looking at the haplotree on FTDNA YP6291 (and hence your terminal haplogroup) are under M198 but really far downstream of it; if you like I can move you under that group, although it's quite far from the others listed there. Just let me know. I'm working on the ungrouped ones a bit at a time as it takes a lot of individual digging on each one. A question. Have you joined the R1a and subclades group (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a-y-haplogroup) and R1a group (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a) at FTDNA? The latter specifically lists M198 and the haplogroup specific projects have a lot of knowledgeable folks when it comes to genetics.
Granuaile O'Flanagan
August 7 @ 9:19pm
I'm going to go ahead and add you to M198 later when I login as admin to the project. You have a lot of SNPs between you and it.
Granuaile O'Flanagan Granuaile O'Flanagan
August 3 @ 4:52am
Just to let folks know, FTDNA is having a pretty good sale right now. I went ahead and ordered the Big Y 500 (which includes an upgrade to Y111) for my paternal line. I had been considering it but maybe in another year or so, but the sale along with a desire to learn more tilted my hand....
Clifford Flanagan Clifford Flanagan
July 15 @ 7:10am
Thanks for add to group. Born Clifford Flanagan, son of John, son of John, son of Abraham, son of Richard, son of James. All from Abingdon, VA area. Just uploaded Ancestry DNA raw data.
Granuaile OFlanagan
July 17 @ 11:13pm
Welcome to the project Clifford. :)