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Eoganacht Septs

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Are you a member of the Eoganacht Septs project?
Stephen Harrington Stephen Harrington has a question!
March 19 @ 5:50am
I have asked the Administrator why I am ungrouped and what SNP package(s) she recommend that I order. I asked some weeks ago, but I have had no response ! Can anyone give me any answers to the questions I have posed ? Stephen Harrington (my earliest known Harrington, is my 3rd. gg Owen Harrington, born abt.1800 in county Cork, Ireland)
Garth Graham
March 19 @ 9:34am
Stephen what is your kit number and what testing have you done so far? It appears that there are 2 Harrington members here and if you're kit B533335 then I see you have done y67 thus far and are predicted R-M269 which is the most common "vanilla" predicted haplogroup. The easy answer is to wait for the next sale and upgrade to Big Y 700 as this is the most in depth yDNA test available. It would also include the upgrade to y111 as well as give you your own line of private snp's which is how the tree grows. When any of your private snp's are found in another Big Y tester they are then made public and placed on the tree. You should already be a member of the R1b & all subclades project and if you are not then make sure to join it. A lot of projects do not have very active admins. You would be better off directly emailing an admin sometimes and also best to ask a haplogroup admin such as Mike Walsh or Gail Riddell who are admins over at the R1b project. But as I said there is no need to ask if you do Big Y 700 because anyone can test that with no advice. There should be a sale coming up here in April as well.
William Kelly William Kelly
January 3 @ 9:35am
I just joined the Project today. My name is Bill Kelly. My Kelly Family ancestors migrated to USA via London during the "famine" arriving in New York 26 Nov 1851. All our family tradition says they came from County Kerry (Cahersiveen). Although I think my great, great, great grandfather (Mortimer or Murtaugh Kelly) and geat, great, great grandmother (Ann) were both baptized in Limerick in 1810. The DNA analysis for myself and my cousin ( points to Munster in Kerry as well. I also did an analysis of DNA though National Geographic Geno Study; my Halogroup is R- CTS4466. I was looking at your study. I saw that their were 13 Kelly's in the Surname Listing. But when I looked at the DNA Charts, I found only a very few Kelly's listed. I have two questions: 1) Why weren't there more Kelly's shown in the DNA charts?? and 2) What do I need to do next to give you the data about me for your study?
Garth Graham
January 3 @ 1:52pm
If I were you, I would join the CTS4466 project and search there. I would also suggest testing directly with FTDNA at some point during the next sale (the best sale just ended yesterday) and buy Big Y 700. Here's a link to the project:;
William Kelly
January 16 @ 1:30pm
Garth. I purchased Y111 ans am awaiting results.
William Kelly
February 5 @ 1:23pm
My results are in. What next??
Thomas Lane Thomas Lane
June 13, 2019 @ 4:03pm
Good day. I am starting out. I know next to nothing about my paternal family, save the fact that they lived between County Clare and County Cork, leaving by boat from Cobh to the United States around the 1850s. Lane is the surname. They were apparently from the Uí Liatháin kingdom, within the Uí Meic Caille sept. They are mentioned in the in the Expulsion of the Déisi. So, I have a huge gap in knowledge that runs about 650 years...
Kevin Sullivan
June 14, 2019 @ 10:46am
There are a bunch of very knowledgeable folks in the group that can help you (I am not one of them however :) - but perhaps you can let us know what DNA tests you taken and your kit number ....
Thomas Lane
June 16, 2019 @ 2:29am
Thank you Kevin. I had an Ancestry DNA test - kit #A304993. My GedCom# is 6988778. :)
Kevin Sullivan
June 17, 2019 @ 9:37am
I presume you have a FTDNA kit # too?
Thomas Lane
June 18, 2019 @ 7:31pm
WIlliamDNA Wolfendale WIlliamDNA Wolfendale
April 14, 2019 @ 10:46am
Are there Donovan's, Leary's, Fitzpatrick's in this group from the Skibbereen / Aughadown parishes in West Cork?
Francis Wolfendale Francis Wolfendale
April 14, 2019 @ 10:39am
Looking for information on sub sept names. My Donovan's from the Skibbereen area pre 1847 Famine, were named Donovan - Island - Smokes. Sub sept Island and sus sub Smoke / Smokes. Donovan Rosa mentioned Donovan Island as his Julia Donovan Island family. Has anyone known of Sub Sept naming? Thank you
Garth Graham Garth Graham
March 26, 2019 @ 8:41am
@ Myshu Fitzbadley @ Myshu Fitzbadley
December 6, 2018 @ 9:17am
I just dropped in to look at the DNA Results database. Although I am not knowledgeable about Irish Septs, I observed what I guess to be a classification scheme in progress, to try to organize them. I ran statistical Primary Component Analysis (PCA) on the STR alleles data to get a "Birds-eye" look at it. The two charts below show a lot of information, but there are two key points to note: at the Y67 level, (top chart) we can see testers scattered all over the place, without any patterns by SNP haplogroup assignment. Out of over 200 testers, we can only account for less than 25% of the total variance, at the Y67 level of testing. Translation: SNP haplogroups at Y67 need more testing, at least to the Y111 level. Alas, even that won't be enough to allow serious attempts to group by Septs. The chart labelled "Y111 Testers in Project" encompasses the current Y111 testers in the project database. Yet they only account for under 19% of the total variance. Translation: unlikely to statistically explain all the variance without nearly everyone in the project testing to Big-Y. PCA is a powerful statistical tool, and there are simpler tools that might come close. But my take on it is that it is unlikely serious progress can be made without major additional testing. Not much more I can offer about future efforts, aside from this "preaching" about Big-Y. Your money, your call. It will take the Big-Y to get the Big Picture, is my reading of the charts.
Garth Graham Garth Graham
November 12, 2018 @ 7:48pm
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Robert Heffron Robert Heffron has a question!
October 6, 2018 @ 10:40am
I am writing to ask you a question about my Y-DNA test results, which were accepted into the Irish Type II project. According to my test results, My Y-DNA matched the SNP markers CTS4466, S1115, and A212. I was thus classified as sharing Eoganacht ancestry with the other members in the project. Recently, whenI reviewed my test results, I saw that I also had the marker SNP Z16259, which, although included in the Irish Type II project, is associated with the Ui Fidgenti. I also appear to have the marker SNP DF27, which is associated with Southern Ui Néill Type DNA. Finally, I also appear to have SNP L226, which is the signature marker for Irish Type III DNA. My question to you is how is it possible that I have all these markers from these separate groups? thank you in advance for your response. Respectfully, Bob Heffron
Garth Graham
October 7, 2018 @ 4:50pm
Always good to give kit number and tell us what testing you have done.
Ronald Howie
November 6, 2018 @ 2:41pm
Looking at your Y DNA Results I don't see any SNPs. Testing for the DF27 group can be a good bit more difficult to get a positive result. As for the Eoganancht Septs you could be CTS4466 positive or belong to a different haplogroup. I would recommend contacting James Kane at to get better answers to your testing options. Ronnie
Garth Graham
November 11, 2018 @ 9:34pm
Robert, you have ordered Big Y but your results are not ready yet. Thus you are smoking something good if you think you are positive for ANY snp as you have ZERO snp results as of this comment I am currently typing. I know this because I am one of the admins of the R1b project and I just looked at your account. You have GD of 8 at y111 matches who are R-MC13 so most likely you will fall below that snp also, which means you are not L226 or DF27. Definitely NOT DF27 as that is below P312 but not below L21. You are definitely below L21 though so I know DF27 has nothing to do with you. Would love to hear your explanation as to how you arrived at these dubious notions of snp's when you have no snp results.
Brent Graham Brent Graham
September 5, 2018 @ 3:44pm
Someone has probably posted this before...
Brent Graham
September 5, 2018 @ 3:45pm
The Irish DNA Atlas: Revealing Fine-Scale Population Structure and History within Ireland
Fred Callahan
September 5, 2018 @ 6:53pm
An interesting complex bio statistical analysis. Wish it included which haplotypes were considered to be characteristic for the defined regions.