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I dissagree a bit with the suggestion of a Sahara connection. The Berbers Are from the Atlas mtn. & the Mediterranean coast. The Tauregs are a Sahara tribe it's true & are clearly descended from long mixing with sub saharan African peoples.

When I was in Morocco City in 1891. I met a Gaelic-speaking missionary doctor who had come out there and went into the interior, where Shluh is the language spoken in the Sous country, just as it is the language of the Cis-Atlas country. He told me that the words seemed familiar to him, and after listening to the natives speaking among themselves found they were speaking a Gaelic dialect, much of which he could follow. The medical missionary told me he recognized the Shluh language as Celtic. Although he had no previous knowledge of it, and had no conception of its being allied to Gaelic, he found himself able to understand much of what was being said the first time he went among the tribes, solely on account of the resemblance of they language to his own Gaelic. This confirmed my own observations regarding the names of the Berber tribes, I myself, had come across, namely, the Beni M'Tir, the Beni M'Touga and the Beni M'Ghill is simply the Arabic for 'children of' and is tacked on by the Arabs to the M' of the Berbers which means 'sons of', and is exactly the same as the Gaelic Mac or Mc. Hence the M'Tir, M'Touga and M'Ghill become in our country MacTiers, MacDougalls and MacGills."

In "Moroccan Journal", Rom Landau gives a very interesting item of history. In 1721 John Windus who was the first British traveller to visit Volubilis (a town erected in Morocco in the second century A.D. by the Romans) and to proclaim its existence to the outside world, discovered there inscriptions of 190-192 A.D., the work of one Nectorea, that mentioned a British legion then garrisoning Volubilis. At more or less the same time, a Berber legion was guarding Hadrians wall in Britain. Presumably many of the Berbers stationed there married local women or, at all events, became the fathers of children. So they must surely have left behind a streak of Berber blood, a hundredfold dilution of which might still be flowing through British veins. The corresponding and opposite exchange of stock must have taken place at Volubilis, but this stock is not the progenitors of the present day fair-skinned blue or grey eyed Berbers as they were already in the country many centuries before this period. http://www.amazigh.nl/awar/index.php?topic=12944.0

Steven you might find this interesting that my brother Jon Greenwood is a Y-DNA match to you at the distance of 3 through his Y-37. When he first did his Y-DNA in 2016 I noticed that he had quite a few Robinson matches some at a distance closer than you are. Jon is a direct male descendant of one of the first French settlers of Quebec. I am very curious about the Robinson matches and how they may connect. Roxanne Greenwood Mikkelson (sister to Jon Greenwood manager of his Y-DNA)

ما شاء الله

شكرا أخي معمر. نقلت ملفي للواي فل وهو قيد الدراسة، في إنتظار النتيجة و ربما ظهور فرع جديد قد يكون عليه جزء من هوارة الشرق الجزائري و لما لا حتى من الغرب التونسي.ننتظر و نرى

مبروك ولد عمي 😄 ارجو ان تتحقق من اي علاقات تاريخية بتبسة لان في ورفلة في الاوراس منضمين لاولاد سيدي يحى على ما اعتقد ان لم تخني الذاكرة

يبارك فيك أخي معمر. مهمة التحقق ليست سهلة بسبب الظروف التاريخية التي مرت ببلادنا خصوصا مرحلة الإستعمار الفرنسي (قانون الحالة المدنية، النفي، التهجير....) لكنني مازلت أحاول لمعرفة أصولي البعيدة و ارتباطها بأي منطقة خصوصا تبسة

الف مبروك اخي حكيم على النتيجة انما كلنا اخوة ربي يبارك، موفق دكتور معمر في ابحاثك.

ألف مبروك لابن العم حكيم وهذا هو الجميل هذا العلم.

يبارك فيك أخي العزيز Ali Dwebi نفس الشعور من جهتي. قرأت كثيرا عن قبيلتكم العريقة و كم تفاجأت عند ظهور النتيجة وهذا أقوى دليل على أننا شعب واحد و إمتداد لبعضنا البعض

العفو أخي معمر. عندما أقدمت علىى الفحص الجيني كان لي هدفان، الأول هو معرفة أصولي البعيدة بعيدا عن المهاترات و الخرافات و ثانيا معرفة الإرتباطات مع القبائل المعروفة و هنا كانت المفاجأة حيث لم يخطر في بالي أن تكون هذه الإرتباطات متشعبة وعميقة حتى وصلت إلى قبيلة ورفلة الليبية العريقة و ربما مازال هناك مفاجآت قد تظهر لاحقا...