Corcu Loígde DNA Project

Pre-Eóganachta Rulers of Munster, Ireland
  • 206 members


Last Updated: February 4, 2019

QUESTIONS on project eligibility, FTDNA account setup, and more.

  1. What is the purpose of the project, who is eligible to join, and what are the requirements?

  2. What are the Y testing requirement details?

  3. How should I set up my FTDNA Contact Information?

  4. How do I upload a family tree into my FTDNA account?

  5. How do I set up my earliest known paternal ancestor?

  6. How do I give the administrators access to my data?

  7. How do I share out my paternal ancestry and Y results?

  8. How do I contact the project administrators?

  9. How do I give written permission for my anonymized data to be used in published research?

  10. I have privacy concerns. Will my name / contact information be on the Internet?

  11. Are there any opportunities for Y testing financial assistance?


  1. Consider this an advanced project for experienced testers and FTDNA users who have some experience using genealogical resources to research their paternal lines.

    Our Background page gives a brief history. Our goals page gives our stated goals.

    PLEASE READ THESE PROJECT REQUIREMENTS CAREFULLY. WE OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR TIME IS VALUABLE. If you are admitted and you are not adequately prepared to participate in this study, your account will be removed from the project and you will be asked to join when you are ready. If you have questions after reviewing these materials please send Susan (project administrator) a BRIEF (300 words or less) email before joining the project.

    Surname. The tester's last name must be in our list of surnames. If you are a Y DNA match to someone with a Corca Laidhe surname, that does not make you eligible.

    Experience with FTDNA Account. You must know how to edit your family tree and account settings in your FTDNA account, or be willing and able to learn to do so. Written and illustrated instructions are included below.

    Interest Level. Members should have an inherent continuing interest in the history of the Corca Laidhe region (roughly the south part of Munster, the southernmost province of Ireland), otherwise they may lose interest and leave the project.

    Research Experience. You are NOT necessarily expected to know exactly where your earliest known paternal line ancestor came from in the British Isles. However, you are expected to be experienced with genealogy record sources and to have researched your paternal line, even if only back two or three generations.

    Y DNA Testing. A Y DNA STR test of 37 markers or more is required. The project wants men interested in and committed to more extensive Y testing and are willing to take Big Y 500, the SNP discovery test, given the optimal financial circumstances. See details below.

    Contact Information. The tester's name must be in the Contact Information. If you are monitoring the test for someone else, your name should be included in the NAME field. If you use more than one email they should be included in the primary email field. See details below.

    Paternal Ancestor Origins. Your earliest known paternal line ancestor must be documented in your account. A name, approximate year of birth, and location should be provided. Country of Origin must be set. Geographic coordinates must also be set.

    As you learn more about your earliest known paternal ancestor your data should be updated accordingly. See details below.

    Paternal Line Family History Documentation. Your account family tree must minimally contain your paternal line history. Men, their spouses, approximate birth and death dates, and locations should be in place. You are expected to provide as much detail as possible to the townland, village, civil parish, district, shire, county, or province if possible.

    As you learn more about your paternal line history you can update your family tree in your account. See details below.

    LIMITED Access Permission. Upon clicking JOIN you are expected to grant LIMITED access or better to the project administrators. If you are somehow admitted without setting access permission, you will need to manually do it. See details below.

    Public Sharing of Anonymized Data. Your anonymized data must be publicly shared so project reviewers and other interested parties may review our data. See details below.

    Giving Written Permission for Published Research. Upon clicking JOIN, you must provide written permission IN THE JOIN WINDOW for your results to be used in published research in venues not affiliated with FTDNA and beyond the confines of the FTDNA website. See details below.

    *** If you wish to be in the project but are having difficulties setting up your account to qualify, please email the project administrator. There is the option of (temporarily) granting the project administrators ADVANCED access so they can assist you with your account setup. ***


    DNA Data

  2. Y testing needs to be done at FTDNA so your results are integrated into the database and are fully enabled for matches.

    Y minimum of 37 markers is required. Transfers of SNPs from elsewhere and straight transfers of STR markers without upgrades at FTDNA are not sufficient.

    If you have access to old Y DNA data from Ancestry.com or from any lab that used the Sorenson 33 or 46 marker test, you may transfer it to FTDNA. A straight transfer is not sufficient. In order for it to qualify for the project, you must order a transfer+upgrade product and do a swab from FTDNA so that your results will be better aligned with FTDNA's test and so that you'll be enabled for matches in FTDNA's database. See: Transfer DNA and also the $58 transfer+upgrade Y products.

    If your transfer+upgrade produces less than 37 markers you will need to perform a Y25 to Y37 marker upgrade at FTDNA to be eligible for the project.

    The project will be relying increasingly on Big Y, the SNP discovery test. Yes, we know it is expensive. Hopefully, there will be future sales, and competitive pressures to push the price down. We suggest saving up for it over time, and ask friends and relatives who want to give you a gift to contribute to your testing "kitty". Hold on to that collection for the next good sale opportunity. Big Y 500 testing will also complete your STR marker testing. The price will vary, depending on how much STR testing you've completed.


    Your Contact Information

  3. Click Account Settings | Account Information. Under Contact Information | My Personal Story, state who you are and where your project surname lineage was from. If you are not the tester, state how you are related to the tester.

    If you are supervising the test for someone else, enter the tester's name. Under Middle Name, enter C/O Your Name. Example: John C/O Jane Smith Driscoll.

    The LAST NAME field should contain ONLY the last name of the tester, so that any surname reports FTDNA generates will contain more accurate information.

    Make sure all the emails on the account are up to date and that your primary email is accurate. If more than one person is accessing your account, please put TWO emails in the primary email field. Separate them with a semicolon (;). Example: johndoesdaughter@gmail.com;johndoe1@gmail.com

    If we were to get inquiries about certain kits in the project, we cannot answer questions unless the setup of your Contact Information is consistent with what we see in any inquiry email. Project administrators are not able to open up and view all your Contact Information. The only Contact Information we can see in our member roster is whatever you enter in the name field and primary email field. Please do not stuff other names into address or phone fields or secondary email fields. The administrators cannot see that information!

    Safeguarding of the privacy of all members is the main priority of the project. Kits set up this way not only save your project administrators time, it helps minimize the risk of data breaches committed by present and future administrators in ALL of your projects.


    Family History Documentation

  4. It is important to publish a detailed family tree inside your account - ESPECIALLY if you also do autosomal testing. If you don't publish your tree and build in your known DNA matches, you are missing out on the match linking / triangulation feature in your FTDNA account, which could give you major clues on how other matches are related to you. Quality of data is more important than quantity.

    You can use the built-in editor to create a family tree if you want. At minimum, the project needs the paternal line of ascent. However, it is more time-effective to produce a GEDCOM file externally and upload it into your FTDNA account.

    To export a GEDCOM file out of Ancestry.com:

    1. Log in to your Ancestry account.
    2. Under Family Trees, click the tree to export.
    3. Under Tree Settings, view Manage your tree.
    4. Click where it says Export Tree.
    5. Save the GEDCOM file on your computer.

    To create a GEDCOM file from scratch, try one of the following programs:

    1. MyHeritage Tree Builder (free)
    2. GenealogyJ (free)
    3. Personal Ancestral File (free for Macs; no longer supported)
    4. Ancestral Quest
    5. Legacy Family Tree (compatible with Family Search Family Tree)
    6. Family Tree Maker (Ancestry.com product; support outsourced)

    To upload your GEDCOM, in your FTDNA account, click myFamilyTree. Click the Upload GEDCOM icon then choose the GEDCOM file on your computer to upload it.

    To adjust the privacy settings on your family tree, click the Cog wheel where it says Settings.

  5. The project wants your paternal ancestor set up with as much detail as possible, including County of Origin and GPS coordinates. These pieces of information might help populate the FTDNA Y Haplotree.

    It's perfectly fine if you've only researched back two or three generations or that you haven't found your paternal line origins in the British Isles. Details matter. As you continue investigating your paternal line and discover older generations, you can update this information accordingly.

    Access Account Settings | Genealogy | Earliest Known Ancestors and click.


    - Click save (bottom left; not shown).

    - Click Update Location (on the right).

    - Now underneath the map, on the left side for Paternal, click edit location.


    Under Direct Paternal Ancestor, enter the earliest known ancestor name; a birth, marriage, or death year; and a location.

    - Enter a Country of Origin.


    - Under Step 1 - Choose Ancestor Type, click update paternal location (lower left; not shown).

    - If you already entered your ancestor's name, date, and abbreviated location, click next to skip this step.

    - If you didn't enter it before, under Step 2 - Update Paternal Information, enter the ancestor name, an approximate birth or death date, and a location. See the left graphic for one example.

    Here is another example:
    Martin Smith b.c. 1800 l. Hamilton Co, OH, USA

    - Click next to save your information or skip Step 2.


    - Under Step 3 - Find a Location on the Map, enter a known location for your paternal ancestor - where he might have been born, resided or died. You can use the location search tool built into FTDNA, or you can customize your own latitude and longitude by using a tool such as getLatLong to zoom to and get the coordinates of your own location. If your ancestor came from a townland with a frequently used name (e.g., Scart) please customize it.

    - Whichever way you enter the location, click search.

    - Click select on the map.

    Under Step 4, enter the display format of the location that you want to use on the map, e.g., Gortnascreeny, Caheragh, Co Cork, Ireland. Click next.
    Under Step 5, review all the information you entered for accuracy, and click save & exit.

    Making Data Accessible, Sharing Data

  6. Make sure you have given LIMITED or better access to the Corca Laide project administrators. MINIMAL is not acceptable.

    3. Under Your Projects, locate the Corca Laidhe project and click Edit. Then follow the prompts to grant access.

    See also: Project Group Preferences Page.

    See also: Project Administrator Settings Page.

  7. Access Account Settings | Project Preferences | Project Sharing | Group Project Profile, then check the box Opt in to Sharing. It is a project policy that anonymized results are public.


    Contact the Project Administrators, Giving Written Permission for Use of Data

  8. Susan's and Martha's emails are available off our FTDNA Overview (About us) page, in the left column.

    Copy and paste the keywords CORCA LAIDHE PROJECT into the SUBJECT LINE of your email. If you are a project member add your FTDNA Kit Number to the SUBJECT LINE.

    *** Emails without these SUBJECT LINE KEYWORDS run the risk of being deleted through a spam filter. ***


  9. If you are ALREADY a project member and have not yet provided written permission to utilize your results in published research, select the text below appropriate to you and complete it. Send an email to the project administrator with CORCA LAIDHE and your FTDNA Kit Number in the SUBJECT LINE of your email. Then paste your completed text into the email.

    If you are NOT YET a project member and are just now joining the project, select the text below appropriate to your account and complete it. Then PASTE the completed text in the JOIN window when you click JOIN:

    If YOU are the tester supervising your OWN FTDNA account:

    The Corca Laidhe Y DNA Regional Project is hereby granted permission to utilize my ANONYMIZED Y results, paternal line family history and paternal line origins in published research on Internet websites, published papers, and talks and conferences that are not affiliated with FTDNA.

    If you are supervising the FTDNA account of someone else who is living, complete the information in the text below before communicating this information to the project:

    The Corca Laidhe Y DNA Regional Project is hereby granted permission to utilize [TESTER'S NAME]'s ANONYMIZED Y results, paternal line family history and paternal line origins in published research on Internet websites, published papers, and talks and conferences that are not affiliated with FTDNA. I am separately forwarding by email to the project administrator written permission from [TESTER'S NAME] granting this permission. My name is [SUPERVISOR'S NAME]. I am a [RELATIONSHIP: daughter, cousin, wife, etc] of the tester.

    If you are supervising the FTDNA account of someone else who is deceased, complete the information in the text below before communicating this information to the project:

    The Corca Laidhe Y DNA Regional Project is hereby granted permission to utilize the late [TESTER'S NAME]'s ANONYMIZED Y results, paternal line family history and paternal line origins in published research on Internet websites, published papers, and talks and conferences that are not affiliated with FTDNA. Since he is deceased I am unable to provide his written permission. My name is [SUPERVISOR'S NAME]. I am a [RELATIONSHIP: daughter, cousin, wife, etc] of the tester.

    Privacy Concerns

  10. Names and contact information are NEVER published. However, project members are expected to come in to this project with the understanding that your ANONYMIZED data must be publicly viewable to interested Corca Laidhe researchers - AND - they must grant permission for their anonymized Y DNA results and family histories to be utilized in presentations and research publications.

    With a valid warrant or subpoena, law enforcement can search FTDNA data beyond what is ordinarily available to customers. See our Code of Conduct page for an explanation.


    Y DNA Testing Scholarships

  11. Generally, no financial assistance is available. The project does not give away free testing at DNA shows.

    At the project's discretion, men with specific surnames might be offered financial assistance for Y testing provided they meet several conditions:

    • - Can demonstrate County Cork paternal line ancestry back to the Tithe Books or prior. West Cork is preferred. There should be genealogical record evidence of the forms of the surnames shown below in their family histories.

    • - Paternal line ancestry generally reflective of the typical life of the lower class Cork man - tenant farmer, fisherman, laborer or small tradesman, Roman Catholic, etc.

    • - Willing to meet all the other project requirements, including providing written permission for data to be used in published research.

    Financial assistance will probably require a personal face-to-face meeting, most likely occurring at an Ireland or County Cork genealogical event.

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