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Minimal reference phylogeny for the human Y chromosome see: http://www.phylotree.org/Y/tree/index.htm

SNP position see: Human Y Chromosome ISOGG Browser


Below Provisional classification for N-L1025 derivatives

and a sister branch N-Y4339

The N-Y4339 branch represents the legendary Varangian Prince Rurik and his clan who founded the Rurik Dynasty which ruled Kievan Rus (and later the Grand Duchy of Moscow and Tsardom of Russia) until the 17th century



(possible affiliation to Lithuanian tribes added,
see a prof. Ochmański map, below)



Balts at the end of the tribal era in XII century,
according prof. Ochmański J., 1982, "historia Litwy"

N-L550 haplotree

N-L550 /ISOGG N1c1a1a1a
      N1c1a1a1a1 L1025
            N1c1a1a1a1* 
            N1c1a1a1a1a M2783 Balts subclade (usually DYS19=15
                    N1c1a1a1a1a* 
                    N1c1a1a1a1a1  (usually DYS456=13) Eastern Balts (Lithuanian) subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1a1a L551    (probably Nalszczany - Nalšėnai)
                                    N1c1a1a1a1a1a* L551
                                    
N1c1a1a1a1a1a1 L551 Y13978 Gedymin GD of Lithuania clan (usually DYS557=13)
                                             N1c1a1a1a1a1a1a L551 Y13978 Y13977
                                    N1c1a1a1a1a1a2 L551 Y15251 & Y15252 subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1a1b BY158
                                    N1c1a1a1a1a1b*  
                                    N1c1a1a1a1a1b1 L591 (probably Auksztota Aukštaičiai)
                                            N1c1a1a1a1a1b1a L591 Y5582                                
                                    N1c1a1a1a1a1b2 L1027 (probably Dziawołtwa Dveltuva)
                            N1c1a1a1a1a1c  Z16975 (FGC13372, LGM2)FGC13378, FGC13369, (probably Litwa )
                    N1c1a1a1a1a2 Z16981 Western Balts subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1a2a FGC17504, FGC13512
                            N1c1a1a1a1a2b Z17078  
                            N1c1a1a1a1a2d DYS385=11-11-14 
                            N1c1a1a1a1a2o 
            N1c1a1a1a1b Y4706 (trans-bothnian-bay branch)
                   N1c1a1a1a1b1 (Y4711, Y4712, Y4707, Y4713)  Finnish subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1b1*   
                            N1c1a1a1a1b1f     Y4704 south Finland subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1b1fR   Y5745 Y5744 Y5747 Y5746 Finnish Räihä clan subclade
                            N1c1a1a1a1b1fT    Y4703 Y4709 Y4710            Finnish Tawast clan subclade   
                   N1c1a1a1a1b2  Swedish subclade (A708/M8104)

      N1c1a1a1a2 Y4339      Rurik subclade 

Stanislaw J. Plewako

publ.: 2014-07-18

modif. 2019-02-27


Internal STR evolution of L551+ L1025+Terminal Subclade 


In my opinion the DYS557 mutation 14=>13  was the first step in splitting the subclade and thus making it a very important marker. 
In the earlier work of Vladimir Volkov (2012, Nov.) this marker was not used in his calculations.



The Balts at the end of the tribal era in the twelfth century

Source:prof. Ochmański, History of Lithuania (in Polish language), Warszawa, 1982, page 36


 


SNP L1025+ isolate from N-L550+ sub-branch characteristic for the Balts descendants


A mutation L1025+ discovered in February 2012 in FT DNA WTY Program participant distinguishes Baltic Tribes descendants from other representatives of the N-L550+ branch. This conclusion applies not only to the modern Balts: Lithuanians and Latvians - but also to the descendants of extinct tribes West Balts: PrussiansCuroniansYotvingians, and even to the majority of this inhabitants of the modern Belarus, which belongs to N1C1 haplogroup. This is a present look for genetic evolution of Balts:

Picture on the link (created by S. Melnyk) show structure of N-L1025 subclade as we see it in May 2014: http://www.stanislaw.plewako.pl/DNA/L1025_small.jpg 

Stanislaw Plewako

publ.: 2014-05-10

SNP S17250 divide I-L621 L147.2 (CTS5966) Dinarics subclade


In 2014 results of BigY Survey Program give us a new portion of knowledge about a big and not structured up till now part of Slavic languages people I-L621 L147.2 CTS5966+ which are a remains of Venedi Peoples from Roman Empire period (see the location of the Venedi in the upper Vistula region and south of Polesian Lowland in times of the Roman empire under Hadrian (ruled 117-138), source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti (see map below)


The current state of knowledge about the diversity within the group I-L621 L147.2 CTS5966+ is shown in ISOGG phylotree: http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI.html 

It is divided between two or tree subclades: S17250 - majority of tested, and Y4460 possible a remnant of the Baltic Veneti, and maybe Z17855


S17250 is divided further into at least three subclades, maybe represented 3 area of settlement/3 tribes groups: 

  •               Z16971 (probably White Croats  descendants),

  •            Y4882 (probably a Drevlyans and Dregoviches descendants),

  •            A356/Z16983 (probably Moravians descendants).


Y4460 is divided further into two subclades:

  •             Z16973 with subbranch Y3118 and

  •           S8201 & Y8942
    second one with a subclade:

  •                 Y13498

Lack of geographical separation of Venedes caused mixed population and we are not able to predict on STR basis real SNP subclades. 

But only inside of those subclades an STR analysis is valuable. So it is strong  recommendation for testing, S17250 at first.

(choose Order An Upgrade, Order an Advanced Test, SNP, S17250).


The best choice is to test in BigY Program, but it is about 10 times more expensive than simply two SNP tests. In table of results we can compare results with those members of BigY Program: #213694, #76814, #256403, #280968, #310872, #145940, #N117657, #131251, #156366, #209633, #N18656, #359901, #317737, #109223, #B9938, #208340,

Stanislaw Plewako

publ.:2014-11-29

modif.: 2015-04-07



Map of the Baltic tribal cultures and others archaeological cultures V-VII centuries, Koryakov
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:East_europe_5-6cc.png

On the map: ВЕНЕДЫ = Vistula Veneti. I have identify those peoples as I2a-L621 haplogroup holders, of course in this era - with Slavic languages.


Please refer also ”Пражско-корчакская арxеологицеская культура ВЕНЕДЫ 5-7 в.” on the second map (Востоцная Европа в V-VІ вв. н.э) 
on https://www.familytreedna.com/public/balticSea/ 




Archeological cultures in Central Europe at the early pre-Roman Iron Age (700-100 BC)
violet - west-Baltic culture of cairns/earlier Rzucewo culture; light red - East-Baltic culture of forest zone;
green - Pomeranian culture; turquoise - Milograd culture (Neures?);


source: Wikipedia Commons, ossipro, 
scientific source: H. Beck, H. Steuer, D. Timpe (ed.): Reallexikon der Germanischen Altertumskunde. 
Die Germanen, 1998, de Gruyter, Berlin New York, p. 144, ISBN: 3-11-016383-7