As of 3-2008: HOHNLOSER FAMILY RESULTS About 20 months into the project the following is clear - all three H..loser name variations are genetically related (Ho(h)nloser, Ha(h)nloser, Handloser). - About 1500 individuals of the three name clusters have been identified, about 450 alive in 3 countries (Germany, Switzerland, USA) - the earliest record so far is a court trial from 7th December 1478 from Randegg (church archive Gailingen), in which a Burck(hart) Honloser, Vogt von Randegg presided over a hearing with another Honloser family member present - we have evidence for H..loser family members as Catholic priests in the 1590's in Diessenhofen (Thurgau, Switzerland) - we have evidence of cross-border displacement of H..losers during the 30 year war (around 1618) from Randegg (Germany)into the Swiss Thurgau town of Diessenhofen, possibly through (Swedish ?)Protestant troups or related militia (documented presence of Swedish troups in Randegg). - We found multiple name transitions from Hohnloser to Hahnloser and from Handloser to Hahnloser in various databases, sometimes 5 name variations in a single individual (Singener Stammbuch of Hahnlosers)! DEEP ANCESTRY RESULTS As to "deep ancestry" results: Genetic testing revealed that the Hohnloser family Y-chromosomal (i.e. male) line is of E3b1 Haplotype rarely found in Northern or Western Europe (< 5%), but with increasing frequency towards the Southern Mediterranean, specifically in Northern African (75%), Jewish (25%) and Southern Mediterranean (12-20 %) populations. The specific subtype E-V13 (E3b1a2) has it's highest European concentration in the Balkans and - more specifically - in Kosovo (> 45%). This Haplotype traces it's origins (as that of every male alive)to the Rift Valley in Ethiopia, Tanzania or Kenia between 31 and 79,000 years ago. Genographic results indicate the following sequence for males (supporting the "out of Africa" theory of Homo Sapiens) - M168 ("genetic Adam", 50,000 years ago) - YAP (50,000 years ago) - M96 (move out of Africa, 30-40,000 years ago) - M35 (neolithic farmers, Middle East, 20,000 years ago) - E3b (75% North Africa, 25% Jewish, 10-30 % various Southern Mediterranean populations, 3-5 % Northern/Western European populations). It is believed to be around 22,500 years old and having originated in the Middle East The latest subclade testing suggests, that the genetic ancestors of all E-V13 populations migrated during the Balkan Bronze age (about 4500 years ago) from the Middle East to the Balkans. How E-V13 became a minority admixture in Western Europe is subject of numerous hypotheses. For the SouthWest German corner I see the following possibilities in chronological sequence - Neolithic expansion theory (after 4500 BC) - Celtic migrations and trade routes (after 1000 BC) - Roman origin (15 AD to 250 AD) - Jewish origin (Ashkenazi Jews, after 800 AD) - Hungarian raids (around 1000 AD) Following a publication by Steven Bird on E-V13 populations in England and their possible link to Roman auxilary troops from Thracia/Balkans my personal favorite hypothesis for the E-v13 in SouthWest Germany is the same mechanism. This would mean that E3b1a2 positive males were transferred from today's Kosovo region into SouthWest germany between 15 AD and 260 AD as part of Roman troup movements to suppress German tribal uprisings. This is completly speculative and another project is underway to try to attempt to support this hypothesis.