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Group Administrator: Nancy Petersen nancyelderpetersen@yahoo.com
Project Surnames:Group General Fund: Anonymous donation for the DONNA YOUNKIN LOGAN memorial....$100
Total available....$100
Anonymous donation for the Robert Elder of South Carolina memorial....$100
Total available....$200
Y-DNA37 2007 Gift Certifi cate $30*
Y-DNA25 2007 Gift Certif icate $15*
| Project Background: Project Administrator:
Nancy Elder Petersen, Vancouver, Washington State, USA
E-mail: NancyElderPETERSEN@yahoo.com
or NancyP@Teleport.com
"We are sad to report the death of Donna Younkin Logan, January 4, 2006.
She was an enthusiastic genealogy researcher and
publisher for ELDER families, and will be greatly missed
by all of us."
"We propose to set up an ELDER DNA Scholarship Fund
as a memorial to Donna.
Her husband has given his gracious permission.
We welcome any male worldwide with the surname ELDER to participate in our
Y-Chromosome DNA project.
If you are a female researcher with a close male relative still
carrying the surname ELDER
we encourage you to request their participation.
The goal of the ELDER Surname Project is to
distinguish between ELDER ancestral lines, worldwide, and connect lines that have reached brick walls
on their paper trail, especially to connect to their Scotland origins.
Over the past 20+ years ELDER researchers
have collected and organized a vast amount
of genealogical records for families with surname ELDER.
Many of these records can still be found at the FamilyTrail.com web site:
http://www.FamilyTrail.com/elder
See also ELDER Family Research BB (free registration):
http://www.FamilyTrail.com/elder/bb
ELDER genforum:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/elder
ELDER at Rootsweb/Ancestry Board:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.elder
***
Nancy Elder Petersen's Rev. War Soldier,
Robert ELDER (1730-1807) of FRANKLIN CO PA
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/RobToJos1807Will.htm
Scotland DNA project:
http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm
ELDER entries:
R1b chart- COLLA UAIS-Scotland Founder--Green box
#15696 - Andrew, b. 1795 NC ----8W2NK
#16176 - John, residing Iredell NC 1800--G5CPF
begins 13 24 14 10 10
(matches Franklin Co PA - 11/12, but not 3rd marker)
***
#74613 - Bedford Co PA
begins 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 (then mismatches)
***
#30720 - Robert, b. 1785 Selkirk Borders ---GGTHC
begins: 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 (then mismatches)
***
#37194 - Joseph Elder, VA ---5VXEU
begins: "13 24 14 11 11"
****
#12786 - Peter Elder, VA - --DSEME
#12593 - Peter Elder, VA - --QB3QZ
#42193 - Peter Elder, VA ---6XK6G
begins "13 24 14 11 11 14"
****
#20923 - KY--VESHU
#23005 - Maine/Mississippi--44T97
begins: 13 24 14 11 11
****
ELDER of Franklin Co PA -
(begins 13 24 15 10 10)
#12898 ------(Clarion Co PA)--ENUZ2
#29820-------(Mercer Co PA----NNG6K)
#38776 ------(Northern Scotland) (Sutherland)
#6095 -------(Canada)---------RF5ZB
#44209------ (Beaver Co PA)----XHYEC
#18545 ------(Franklin Co PA)--4BEG6
#65388 ------(Co Donegal Ire)--ZTNS9 (Davis)
#10042 ------(Franklin Co PA)--4GJ7K
***
#12969 -- Andrew, b. 1795 NC ---D8M7X (NIALL - R1b1c7)
begins: 13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 13 13 14 29
***
#16874 -- Somerset Co PA--PD6EQ (no Elder matches)
begins: 13 25 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 14 13 30 ( mismatch - 5 of 12)
*****
I-Isles (VIKING) chart (Click Lavender Box) - matching PAXTANG PA
begins "15 24 15 10 15"
#15134--22ZFR - Ballymoney, Co Antrim
#15534--BD9XM - Paxtang, PA
#17814--K8N87 - Elder's Ridge, PA - Paxtang PA
#50076--CA9R5 - Spartanburg, SC--Stewart #5830 and others match 66/67
****
Not in the R1b chart (but had been added to Jason’s chart)
"Catholic ELDER"--William d1714 MD--#44816--H84A9
--Thomas ELDER, b. 1876
Limavady,County Londonderry,N.Ire.--#76740-CEN7M
***
I-ISLES "join" as of 1/20-07 (but not yet added)
--B. ELDER of “Inch Island, Co Donegal, Ireland”- #75444 (matches 4 PAXTANG PA entries)--267BX
***
ULSTER DNA chart:
http://www.ulsterheritage.com
Choose the 3rd menu item on left:
"Ulster Heritage DNA" and subhead: DNA TEST RESULTS
1st ELDER Section:
"ANTRIM ELDER" - "I"=Isles
6 PAXTANG ELDER
(added #75444-Inch Island)
2nd ELDER Section:
ELDER CLAN - "R1b"
11 kits = "R1b" Franklin Co PA
#10042, 10277, 20638, 18545, 29820, 10261, 12898, 78241, 85035, 88041, 114538
3rd Elder Section:
ELDER FAMILY (MAINE-MISSISSIPPI/NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE, ENG/ KY)
#23005, #87786, #20923
2 GLASGOW "ELDER FAMILY II"
(1 L'Derry/Glasgow #76740, and #37194(Joseph b 1749VA)
1 Irish NIALL "R1b1c7: #12969
1 Rock Clan ELDER #74613
*****
Nancy's Scotland research:
Aberdeen, Argyll, Banff, Fife, Kinross, Midlothian, Perth, Inverness, Skye:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Perth.htm
John ELDER, Steamship engineer of Glasgow
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/Steamships.htm
SUTHERLAND surname and locations with
ELDER in Northern Scotland
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Sutherland.htm
Distribution map for ELDER in 1881 and 1998 Scotland/England:
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/
John Hansen's "Scottish Clans" chart--
Ancestors for Franklin Co PA:
1. George of Bedford Co PA #12747
2. James of NC #10261
3. John of Mercer Co PA #29820
4. Robert of Franklin Co PA #18545 (Joseph Jr.)
5. Robert of Franklin Co PA #10042 (John of Wood Co Ohio)
"Other Surname" for Andrew of NC #12969
"Other Surname" for Rutherford TN #26383
and Borders -Selkirkshire #30720
Paxtang group: Spartanburg SC #50076
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/scottishdna
Charles Kerchner's "R1b" chart:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b
See:
"Catholic ELDER" #44816 matching CLARY
(both found in Frederick Co MD)
then further down the chart,
3 ELDER entries of FRANKLIN CO PA
#12898, #18545, #10042
and
12969--Andrew Elder, b. 1795 NC - #12969
30720--Robert Elder, b. 1785 Selkirk, Scotland
****
Ireland Heritage chart with CLARY:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/IrelandHeritage
H84A9-
"Catholic ELDER" --William d 1714 MD --#44816
Now has 67 markers, with 60/67 matching CLARY
***
Ireland Heritage - R1b1c7
http://homepage.eircom.net/~ihdp/ihdp/focus-r1b1c7.htm
South's "I1c" Chart (See Isles -I1b2a1)
All 5 PAXTANG PA
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I1c-y-clan
***
McKee's "R1b1c7" or "Niall" chart:
D. ELDER (#12969)
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7
***
R1b Y-search 67 marker chart (66/67) (BORDERS and MCLELLAND)
http://www.ysearch.org/search_results.asp?uid=ggthc&min_markers=67&mismatch_type=absolute&mismatches_max=2&mismatches_sliding_starting_marker=8&lastname_limiter=none&haplo=®ion=
I1c Y-search 67 marker chart (66/67) (ELDER and STEWART)
Stuart (27JHT), Stewart (7NV2N), Stewart (XTCGF), Stewart (KZH3S), Stewart (64/67)(P4WPK)
http://www.ysearch.org/search_results.asp?uid=CA9R5&min_markers=66&mismatch_type=absolute&mismatches_max=4&mismatches_sliding_starting_marker=8&lastname_limiter=none&haplo=®ion=
Pulaski County KY chart:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/PulaskiCountyKentucky
#13301-JESSE ELDER of NC (through PETER ELDER line)
Cumberland Gap Project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/CumberlandGap-YDNA
#44816 William ELDER, d. 1714 MD
McEwen's "R1b" Haplogroup Divisions:
http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/s21.htm
Y-DNA Search has 50 entries for ELDER
http://www.ysearch.org
See Scots Clusters - Sterling - Perthshire and MacGregor
"13 24 14 10 10"
http://users.skynet.be/lancaster/Scots%20Cluster.htm
Stirling DNA project - with MacGregor:
"13 24 14 10 10" and "13 24 15 10 9"
http://www.stirling-dna.info
Scotch-Irish in Massachusetts:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/MassWorcester1790.htm
Georgia Kinney Bopp's HOT TOPICS webpage:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gkbopp/DNA/HotTopics.htm
******
Pennsylvania ARCHIVES - Nancy's Footnote "STORY PAGE"
"ELDER FAMILIES IN FRANKLIN CO PA"
http://www.footnote.com/page/1066
***
29820
1. JOHN ELDER d. 1885, Wilmington, Lawrence Co PA (also in Mercer Co,
PA)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/WashingtonCoPA.htm
44209
William Alexander ELDER, b. 1836 OH
f:"DAVID CLARK ELDER" , b. 1798,
Path Valley, Franklin Co PA.
f: JOHN ELDER, b. 1755, Cumberland Co PA
Moved to Beaver Co PA in 1802.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/OrvilleElder.htm
FOX
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/FoxDNA
SUTHERLAND
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Sutherland
McCLELLAN
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/McClellanProject
BALLYMONEY, Co ANTRIM - 109 ELDER entries:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/BallymoneyData.htm
***
NOVA SCOTIA - Google BOOKS
"The History of Kings County, Nova Scotia, Heart of the Acadian Land,"...
By Arthur Wentworth Hamilton Eaton
Published 1910 The Salem Press Company
(and 1999 Heritage Books)
at
http://tinyurl.com/yurpwz
Page 655 (and others) Family Sketches
"The ELDER family, a family unusually gifted,
was founded in Hants County by Matthew Elder,
who came as a young man from County Donegal, Ireland, to Windsor..."
***
ROCK surname - Co Armagh Ireland
http://homepage.eircom.net/~rocksurname/rock_dna/index.htm
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Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Goals: The goal of the ELDER Surname Project is to
distinguish between ELDER ancestral lines, worldwide, and connect lines that have reached brick walls
on their paper trail, especially to connect to their Scotland origins.
GENEALOGY list from Donna's chart, updated:
CHART 1 - FRANKLIN COUNTY, PA - "R1b1" - "COLLA UAIS" on SCOTLAND DNA CHART
15696
1. Andrew R.- March 15,1795 -July 1854 in
Alexander County, NC at Carson Chapel Church
2. George W.- January 20 1833-October 24 1924 in
Alexander County, NC at Carson Chapel
3. John Carson -1859-1934 in
Alexander County, NC at Carson Chapel
Carson's Chapel United Methodist
4161 Rocky Springs Road
Hiddenite, NC 28636
828- 632-4810
Taylorsville to Carson's Chapel Church
Total Est. Time: 15 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 5.45 miles
16176
1. JOHN, res. Iredell Co NC 1800
2. WILLIAM S., b 1825 Buncombe Co NC
3. ANDREW J., b 1850 Marion Co IA
4. GEORGE WASHINGTON, b 1867
114538
1. JOHN ELDER, b. abt 1814 NC
2. WILLIAM F. ELDER, b. abt 1846 [Christian Co] IL
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=cjhill&id=I00678
10277
1. JOHN (1756 - 1834 Randolph Co NC)
2. WILLIAM (1784 - 1879 Overton Co TN)
3. ROBERT (1813-1882 Oregon Territory)
14778
1. GEORGE ELDER d. 1800 Bedford Co PA
2. JAMES, b. 1777 d. 1863 Bedford Co PA
3. ACHOR, b. 1815 d. 1855 Columbiana Co OH
4. HORACE ACHOR, b. 1855 d. 1927 Wood Co OH
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/MartinMorrowCoOH.htm
78241
Robert ELDER (1730-1807) of Franklin Co PA
Abraham, b. 1755 (moved to Centre Co PA)
Robert, b. 1785 Fannett, Franklin Co PA (moved to Centre Co PA)
Abram, b. 1817 ( Centre Co PA)
Robert Thomas Elder, b. 1852 (buried Grays Cem, Centre Co PA]
http://www.footnote.com/page/1066
***
85035
Joseph Caseville ELDER, b. 1819 TN - d. 1862
John Silas ELDER (b. 25 Jan 1845- d. 1913 in Mt. Ida, Montgomery, AR)
William Caswell ELDER (b. abt 1876 AR - d. TX )
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/GranvilleElder1910TX.htm
88041
Isaac Rains ELDER, b. 1797 OH
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/ThomasDentonElder.htm
57827
1. GEORGE ELDER d. 1800 Bedford Co PA
ROBERT b. 1768,
JOHN, b. 1804
m Jane (Sparr) BRADFORD in Hancock Co OH
son: #158. JOHN W. ELDER,
b. abt 1826 in 1860 census
son #167. SYLVESTER BELL ELDER in Ohio
b. Wood Co OH
buried Pendleton, OR
#13706 [D8SBV] and #23663 [UWNX6]
1. Samuel H. ELDER, b. 1856, Jefferson Co TN
(Descendants of Sevier Co TN)
20638
1. JACOB ELDER b. 1785, d 1818 Lincoln Co. KY
12747
1. GEORGE ELDER d. 1800 Bedford Co PA
2. JAMES, b. 1777 PA
3. JOHN, b. 1822 PA
4. LEWIS, b.1844 Bedford Co PA--moved to Crawford Co KS
12898
1. JAMES ELDER, b. 1769 Clarion Co PA
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=0220061974&id=I4633
and cousins
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/ArmstrongCoPA.htm
10261
1. JAMES (1766 - 1843 - Randolph Co NC)
2.. JOHN (1808 - 1873 - Randolph Co NC)
3. ELIAS (1845-1914 - Randolph Co NC)
29820
1. JOHN ELDER d. 1885, Wilmington, Lawrence Co PA (also in Mercer Co,
PA)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/WashingtonCoPA.htm
44209
William Alexander ELDER, b. 1836 OH
f:"DAVID CLARK ELDER" , b. 1798,
Path Valley, Franklin Co PA.
f: JOHN ELDER, b. 1755, Cumberland Co PA
Moved to Beaver Co PA in 1802.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/OrvilleElder.htm
and
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/l/d/Grant-Elder-KS/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0042.html
****
34317
1. DAVID ELDER (1739-1813) Franklin Co PA m. Margery Stewart
2. WILLIAM ELDER (1759-1784) Franklin Co PA
3. DAVID ELDER (1785-1827) Mifflin Co PA
4. NOAH ABRAHAM ELDER (1814-1886) Mifflin Co PA
5. JESSE REYNOLDS ELDER (b. 1852- d. Aurora, IL)
6. JAMES REYNOLDS ELDER (b. 1880 - d. Aurora, IL)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/DavidMargery.htm
6095
1. ELDER, b Toronto, Canada early 1900s
18545
1. ROBERT ELDER d. 1807 Franklin Co PA
2. JOSEPH, b. 1770 Franklin Co PA, d. 1858 Westmoreland Co PA
3. JOSEPH JR, b. 1811 Franklin Co PA, d. 1868 Westmoreland Co PA
4. WILLIAM ALEXANDER, 1854-1932 Westmoreland Co PA
10042
1. ROBERT (1730 Perth Scotland--1807 Franklin Co PA)
2. JOSEPH (1770 Franklin Co PA --1858 Westmoreland Co PA)
3. JOHN (1805 Franklin Co PA --1863 Wood Co OH)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/RobToJos1807Will.htm
Kit #116194
William S. ELDER b. 1826 Frankin Co PA -
d. 1887 Clarion Co PA
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/pa/JohnElder1821CentreCoPA.htm
****
CHART 2 - GLASGOW, SCOTLAND
76740 - Thomas Elder, b. 1876 Limavady, Co L'Derry, Northern Ireland
http://www.elder-mcgilligan.com/
37194 - Joseph Elder, b. 1749 Washingon Co VA
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dsorby&id=I3765/
N3302 -- JAMES E. ELDER, b. 1817 Scotland, m Barony, Lanark, Scotland
son: DAVID W. ELDER, b 1854 in Ontario, Canada
94092 -- William John ELDER, b. 1840 -
d. Mar 12, 1900 Cloughmills, Ballymoney, Co Antrim, Ireland
****
Chart 3: MAINE ELDER group:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Maine.htm
23005
1. SAMUEL TYNG ELDER
b. 1784 Portland, Cumberland, ME,
d. 1829 Moss Point, Jackson Co., MS
20923
Andrew ELDER, d. 1807 Madison Co KY
ANDERSON ELDER d. Berea, Madison Co., KY
87786
1. ALEXANDER ELDER,
b. 1796, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
100589
GEORGE ELDER (b. 1811 E. Anstruther, Fife - d. Ontario, Canada)
JOHN ELDER (b. 1769 Crail, Fife)
may be related to JOHN ELDER, b. 1806 Crail, Fife - immigr. NJ/CT
See CRAIL notes:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Crail.htm
****
CHART 4 - PAXTANG, HARRISBURG, PA - "I" Isles Haplogroup - I1b2a1 (Old I1c) Viking on Scotland DNA chart
113062
Robert H. ELDER, b. abt 1828 Indiana Co PA
d. 1892 Dallas County Iowa
15134
1. JOHN ELDER, b. 1660 Midlothian, Scotland
2. JOHN, b. 1690 Antrim Co Ireland
3. HENRY, b. 1735 Londonderry, Ireland, res. Elderton PA
4. MATTHEW, b. 1775 Londonderry, Ireland, d. 1861 Iowa
5. HENRY (II) , b. 1817 Garvagh, Co Derry, d. 1902 Iowa
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1697853&id=I77236695
***
75444
ROBERT ELDER (1836-1910) Inch Island, Co. Donegal
Others immigr. to Saskatchewan
Inch Island ELDER webpage:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~inchelder/index.html
****
15534
1. ROBERT ELDER, b 1679 Scotland; d 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang Twp., Dauphin Co., PA.
2. THOMAS, b 1708 Scotland; d Jul 1752, Paxtang Twp., Dauphin Co., PA.
3. ROBERT, b abt 1748, prob. Dauphin Co., PA; d 3 Oct 1825 Clark Co., OH.
4. THOMAS, b. 6 Apr 1795, Dauphin Co., PA; d 18 Oct 1871, Clark Co., OH.
5. JOHN A., b. 24 Feb 1827, Green Twp., Clark Co., OH; d 24 Mar 1909, Kenton, Hardin Co., OH.
89228
1. ROBERT ELDER, b 1679 Scotland; d 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang Twp., Dauphin Co., PA.
2. THOMAS, b 1708 Scotland; d Jul 1752, Paxtang Twp., Dauphin Co., PA.
3. ROBERT, b abt 1748, prob. Dauphin Co., PA; d 3 Oct 1825 Clark Co., OH.
***
17814
1. ROBERT ELDER, b. 1679 Scotland
2. ROBERT, b. 1704
3. ROBERT, 1732 -1790 Elder's Ridge
4. ROBERT, 1767 -1813 Elder's Ridge
5. ROBERT, 1809 -1869 Elder's Ridge
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/RobertYElder.htm
50076
1. William Hoyt Elder, b. 1867, Spartanburg, SC
matches 66/67-- STEWART #5830, 36246, etc.
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Stewart/index.aspx
and Null 425 chart test= 10 10 13 13
http://www.familytr eedna.com/ public/null425
***********
CHART 5 - PETER ELDER, d. 1673 VA - R1b1 - "COLLA UAIS" on Scotland DNA chart
12786
1. PETER ELDER, d. 1673 VA
2. PETER Jr., of VA
3. WILLIAM, b 1688 of VA
4. JOSEPH, b 1731 of VA
5. DAVID, b 1760 of GA
6. WYCHE, b 1804 of GA
7. EDMOND, b. 1848 GA & AL
8. SAMUEL, b. 1871 AL
12593
1. PETER ELDER b. 1593/1594
2. PETER, b. 1654/1655, Rappahannock Co, VA
3 .WILLIAM, b. 21 May 1715, N. Farnham Par., Richmond Co, VA
4. PETER, b. 21 May 1715, N. Farnham Par., Richmond Co, VA
5. PETER, b. 1 Dec 1741, N. Parham Parish, Richmond Co, VA
6. EPHRAIM, .b. 1762, N. Farnham Par., Richmond Co, VA
7. WILLIAM, b. abt 1808, Spartanburg Co, SC
35714
Kendle, b. 1835, Henry Co MO
42193
1. PETER ELDER, d 1673 VA
to DAVID ELDER, b 1803 VA/Rutherford Co TN
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:885096&id=I3765
58367
PETER ELDER...to
Claiborne Elder
Burwell Elder
Henry H Elder, b 1835 Dinwiddie County, Virginia
90361
William Edmund Elder b. 1688 VA
97244
Peter Elder, d. 1763 VA
110192 Spartanburg, SC (Lindates1)
See: WorldConnect
by Melissa Speed
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mspeed1&id=I997
********
Book: "PETER ELDER of VA."
First paragraph in the book says:
"The earliest history we have of the Elder "clan,"
they were living in Scotland in the 15th century.
Eventually they emigrated to England and Ireland on account of their religious liberties and viewpoints.
Peter Elder, Sr. along with two brothers, came to
this country in the early 1600's.
They landed in Norfolk, VA., but do not appear in a book of immigrants. Peter came over as a stowaway
and working out his passage with a rich merchant....
(no more specifics about Ireland/Scotland)
***********
CHART 6:
WILLIAM d. 1714 Maryland - "R1b1" (matches Jason CLARY - "R1b1" chart
15879
1. WILLIAM ELDER, d 1714 MD
2. WILLIAM, b 1707, d 1775 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co., MD
3. ALOYSIUS, d 1827 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co., MD
4. JOACHIM, b 1785 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co., MD
5. JAMES A., b 1830 Emmitsburg, Frederick Co., MD
44816
1. WILLIAM ELDER, d 1714 MD
...RICHARD ELDER, b. 1818 Cambria Co PA
(family came from Emmitsburg)
101450 William ELDER, d. 1714 MD (62/67 with 44816)
N60895 William ELDER, d. 1714 MD (12/12 with 1st 2)
*****
CHART 7:
UNASSIGNED GROUPS
12883
1. JOHN ELDER (?-1740 - Anne Arundel Co. MD)
2. JOHN (1695-1762 - Anne Arundel Co/Baltimore Co. MD)
3. OWEN (?-1774 - Anne Arundel Co/Baltimore Co. MD)
4. JOHN OWEN "Owen of Owen" (1771-1857 - Anne Arundel Co/Carroll Co.
MD)
5. MICHAEL (1800-1868 - Carroll Co. MD/Marshall Co WV)
26383
1. GEORGE ELDER b. abt 1841, Rutherford Co TN
17290 (not direct from PETER ELDER - but connected in some other way)
1. PETER ELDER, d. 1674 Old Rappahannock County - now Essex, VA
2. PETER, b. ca 1660 d. before 1687
3. WILLIAM, b. ca 1681 d. ca 1754/1755 Richmond, VA
4. PETER, b. 21-MAY-1715 Richmond, VA ( North Farnham Parish)
5. PETER, b. 01-DEC-1741 North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co, VA d.
1804 Surry County, NC
6. Unknown parents of Jesse Elder
*(Grandfather Peter's will places Jesse in William Elder's charge)
7 Jesse Elder b. 1788 NC d. 16-SEP-1859 Pulaski Co, KY
8 Landon Davis Elder b. 1820 KY d. 07-OCT-1878 Stanley, KS
9 Jesse Tyler Elder b. 28-JUL-1852 Holt Co, MO
d. 25-Jul-1941 Ottawa, Franklin Co, KS
30720
1. ROBERT ELDER b. 2 Aug 1785 in SELKIRKSHIRE, Scotland (Borders)
24196
1. ELDER line of Aberdeen Scotland
24127
1. EPHRAIM ELDER b. before 1750 Richmond Co VA
***
Scotland - Glasgow (No Kit#-Member37)YSearch: X4KJ9
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#16874 (11/12, 18/25 with PETER ELDER group)
ID: PD6EQ
ELDER of Somerset Co PA:
Most distant known paternal ancestor on the direct male line
First Name: John
Last Name: Elder
Year Born: 1762
Year Died: 1849
Country of Origin: Jamestown, Ireland
Latitude: 53 deg 56 min 49 sec N
Longitude: 8 deg 5 min 24 sec W
Additional information about Paternal Line:
"John Elder came to the USA in 1791 with his two brothers, Samuel
Elder, and William Gore Elder.
William went to Edinburg Scotland, College of Physicians, to get his
Medical degree. John was trained as a Blacksmith and taught his
children the Blacksmith trade. On John`s naturalization papers he
listed his affiliation as Episcopalen.
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Maternal mtDNA results (mtDNA menu):
#25495 --Haplogroup U5a
1. Mary Darby b. abt.1755 d.abt.1832 Rutherford Co. TN
2. Mary Towler b. 1780 VA, d. 1865 Gibson Co. TN
3. Mary Elder b. 1805 TN, d. aft. 1850 Gibson Co. TN
4. Fannie W. Chrisp b. 1836 TN, d. 1908 Gibson Co. TN
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#44816 - mtDNA --Haplogroup J1b1
Bertha Jackish b. 1862 Germany
#48943 -Nancy Elder Petersen's mtDNA - J1b1
Maternal line:
HENRY, HAGGARD, MATHEWS, WYCKOFF, CLARK (Scotland)
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ELDER origins:
Victor ELDER's webpage, explaining the connection as a
"Sept to the MacIntosh Clan"
(11/12 and 18/25 with PETER ELDER group):
see his genealogy in PA:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/l/d/Victor-Elder/GENE1-0001.html
"The origin of the Elder name is as follows:
"In 1160, Malcomb IV called upon the Clan Macduff
to help him withstand an attempt on his throne.
Duncan Macduff, Chief of the Macduff Clan, sent his son Shaw. At the
end of the war, Shaw was rewarded with his own noble rank and lands
and was known as Macintosh. This much we know, Supposedly, Shaw
Macduff Macintosh had several sons, the oldest of whom was known as
"The Eldar" (original spelling) and his decendants adopted this as
their surname, to distinguish their line from the rest of the clan.
The Elder name is very common in Scotland and has always been
associated with the Clan Macintosh (MacKintosh) so the tale certainly
seems plausible...
MacKintosh or McIntosh means "son of the chief or important person"
and Elder is simply the Anglicised or English form of the Gaelic
name.
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ELDER Coat of Arms - in House of Names: (2 stars - Dolphin in "S" shape)
at
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/Elder-coat-arms.htm
"Origin Displayed: Scottish
Spelling variations of this family name include: Elder, Elders, Eldar, MacNoravaich and others.
First found in Edinburghshire the present day Scottish Council Area of Midlothian in Southeastern Scotland,
which as a former county, used to encompass the city of Edinburgh, where they were seated from very ancient times,
some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D..."
" The arms were registered at Fairfield, County Lanark in 1869."
More about Coat of Arms/Crests
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/ElderCrests.htm
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Septs of Clan MacKintosh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_MacKintosh
Adamson, Ayson, Clark, Combie, Crerar, Dallas, Doles, Elder, Esson, Glen, Glennie, Hardie, Hardy, MacAndrew, MacAy, MacCardney, McCombie, MacCombie, MacCombe, MacComie, M'Conchy, Macglashan, Machardie, Machardy, MacHay, Mackeggie, M'Killican, MacNiven, MacOmie, Macritchie, MacThomas, Niven, Noble, Paul, Ritchie, Seawright, Siveright, Shaw, Tarrill, Tosh, Toshach.
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The most famous
written history of ELDER in Pennsylvania,
is by William EGLE, for another ELDER family,
called the "PAXTANG ELDER" group of PA--
I transcribed part of his book chapter on ELDER here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/EglePAelder.htm
THE DNA from this family,
now 4 FTDNA entries,
all Haplogroup "I1b2a1-ISLES"
can be seen on Katherine Hope BORGES "Scotland DNA" chart.
Book entry:
Egle, William Henry.
Pennsylvania Genealogies.
Lane S. Hart. Harrisburg. 1886. Reprint.
Baltimore : Genealogical Pub. Co., 1969.
viii, 798 p. ; 23 cm.
Pages 151-176
Chapter heading:
ELDER FAMILY.
I. ROBERT ELDER, b. about 1679 in Scotland, emigrated from Lough
Neagh, county Antrim,Ireland, where he had previously settled, to
America, about 1730, locating in Paxtang
township, then Lancaster, now Dauphin county, Pa.,
on a tract of land near the first ridge of
the Kittochtinny mountains, five miles north of Harrisburg.
He died the 28th of July, 1746, in Paxtang, and is buried in the old
church grave-yard.
He married, in 1703, ELEANOR (?) GILLESPIE,
b. in 1684; d. October 25, 1742.
They had issue:
2. i. Robert, b. 1704; m. and had issue.
3. ii. John, b. January 26, 1706;
m., 1st, Mary Baker; 2d, Mary Simpson.
4. iii. Thomas, b. 1708;
m. Mary Patterson,
dau. of WilliamPatterson, of Paxtang.
5. iv. David, b. 1710; m. Hannah Anderson.
v. James, b. 1712; settled in Fannett township, Cumberland
(now Franklin) county, Pa.
vi. Ann, b. 1713; m. [John] Anderson, of Octoraro. We
have no further information of this the, perchance,
only sister of Reverend John Elder.
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Another story for "PAXTANG PA ELDER" says:
"The ancestorial home of the Elder family is
assumed to have been Elderslie, near
Paisley in Renfreshire, Scotland.
Being about six miles from Glasgow.
It was in this shire that the progenitor of the
American family was born, about 1679.
He moved to Lough Neagh, country Antrim, Ireland.
The date of his arrival in Pennsylvania is
unknown, but he died near Harrisburg, at seven o'clock July 28th,
1746, and is interred in an unmarked grave in The Paxtang Grave-
Yard attached to the church, where his son, the famous "fighting
parson," ministered for many years."
(above data taken from a record of Parson Elder,
kept in vol. of Bishop Atterbury's sermons.
Now in possession of Dauphin Co. His. Soc. )
Another ELDER DNA group is my brother's
"R1b1" matching 15 entries
of "FRANKLIN CO PA":
From our Rev. War Soldier, Robert ELDER, (1730-1807)
born near Perth on the Tay, died 1807 in Franklin Co PA.
"FRANKLIN CO PA" charts and files,
compiled and donated by
Louise ELDER Gillispie,
were found in the online catalog of
Historical Society of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia
at
http://www.hsp.org
titled:
"Descendants of Robert Elder (d.1807), Franklin County, Pa."
Call Number: "FC El"
Location: Closed Stacks (call slip needed)
Status: On shelf
Title: Descendants of Robert Elder (d.1807), Franklin County, Pa.
Local Note(s): Acc. 1983.
Subject(s): Elder family.
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More SCOTLAND histories:
JOHN ELDER, cartographer, born in Caithness in 1500's,
contributed to publication of:
MERCATOR ATLAS OF EUROPE
see:
http://www.walkingtree.com/excerptbarber.html
MAPPING BRITAIN FROM AFAR
Chapter Excerpt by Peter M. Barber
... "In France he presented Mary, Queen of Scots, with an autograph letter and
(in a display of indirect vanity?) a fanciful map of the New Utopia ostensibly by his eight-year-old pupil,
Lord Darnley."
...
In 1973 D.G. Moir suggested the John Elder (who signed himself Eldar)
was responsible for the depiction of Scotland on Mercator's map of 1564..."
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Sailing Directions For The North Coast, by George Watson
http://www.caithness.org/history/articles/sailingdirections.htm
...."The most likely candidate was John Elder, who was born in Caithness and was brought up In Skye and Lewis.
In 1543 Elder sent a letter and a 'plotte' or map of Scotland to King Henry VIII. As a cartographer he is
likely to have had the type of information which Lindsay needed."
Also in ONLINE BOOK:
"The Highlanders of Scotland"
By William F. Skene, D.C.L. (1836)
Edited by Alexander MacBain, M.A., L.L.D. (1902)
Transcribed Chapters posted on Electric Scotland webpages.
Home page:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/highlanders/index.htm
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Searching for ELDER in each chapter,
finally found the same JOHN ELDER (mapmaker, b. Caithness)
Part 2 Chapter 1
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/highlanders/part2chap1.htm
...
" The first proof of the existence of this tradition which I shall bring forward,
is contained in a letter dated 1542, and addressed to King Henry VIII of England,
by a person designating himself “John Elder, clerk, a Reddschanke.”
More Elder entries in Northern Scotland:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Sutherland.htm
From book: "BRAVE SONS OF SKYE"
notes:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Skye.htm
Page 219:
THE ELDERS OF ISLEORNSAY AND KNOCK,
IN THE PARISH OF SLEAT
Major-General SIR GEORGE ELDER , K.C.B.
[Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath]
."...The Elders had fighting blood in their veins from both sides of the
house, ancestors of theirs (Stuart and Elder) having fought at
Culloden on the side of the Prince."
"Sir George Elder was a soldier born..."
"He was appointed as an Ensign in t | | |