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Craig Nelson (Bell) Craig Nelson (Bell)
February 20 @ 11:03am
While perusing a large published reference book (much like a history of a family history) concerning one of my direct family lines, I came across entries for two families with direct ties to Northern Ireland. As far as I know, these two families are NOT in my direct line, but thought they might possibly connect with others on this site. With the caveat that I cannot confirm the veracity of the information, I will post exactly as is written in the book. Family #1: JOHN McCUE of Ireland. John McCue, Jr. born Ulster, Ireland ca. 1680 -1690; m. SARAH MCDOWELL John was son of JOHN McCUE, Sr. (b. ca 1650 - 1660), who married MARY MOFFETT, and according to tradition, being of the Covenanter Stock, joined the tide of immigration that flowed into Northern Ireland. Issue John Jr. and Sarah McDowell McCue: John McCue b. ca. 1715-1720. Moses McCue, Sr. his descendants are in Ohio and Kentucky. Sarah McCue b. Ulster, Ireland m. James McElroy. David McCue b. Ulster, Ireland, settled in Pennsylvania. Mary McCue. JOHN McCUE b. ca. 1715 - 1720 d. Virginia 27 Oct 1798 , m. ca. 1750 ELEANOR MATHEWS, after he landed on American shores. John McCue left Prince of Wales, Northern Ireland and settled in Lancaster Co., PA in 1731. Because the jealousies rising in the minds of the original settlers, restrictions were made so oppressive on the Scots-Irish that many moved up the Great Valley of Virginia and settled in Goochland Co., afterwards called Albemarle, then Amherst and now Nelson.
Craig Nelson (Bell) Craig Nelson (Bell)
February 20 @ 11:01am
Family #2: WILLIAM MONTFORD of Ireland and Wise County, Texas. WILLIAM MONTFORD b. County Antrim, Ireland 1851; d. 1932; buried Old Town Cem., Bridgeport, TX; m. in Ireland 1875 JANE HOLDEN b. County Antrim 1860, d. 1935, buried Old Town Cem. It is said that William Montford was the eldest of seven sons and one daughter. He and Jane Holden attended the same social gatherings and worshiped in the same 200 year-old Presbyterian Church near Broughshane in County Antrim. She was 15 years old when they married, and that same year William emigrated to America, where a relative name McALLISTER was living in Chicago. When Jane joined her husband, she left behind her father, who was at one time a member of the Irish Regiment of the Queen's Royal Guard, her mother, three sisters, and four brothers. William and Jane had a second marriage ceremony in Chicago, possibly to satisfy immigration officials. They settled first in Illinois before moving by wagon to Kansas, where they built a sod house and William worked for the railroad. They soon moved to Blossom Prairie, Lamar County, TX. They soon ventured on to Wise Co., Texas where William and Jane settled in the Pleasant Valley community where they bought land in 1893 and a second tract in 1902. He as a skilled farmer and Jane an excellent homemaker. In 1975, the Montford homestead of 179 acres was still held by descendants.
Gregory McGowan Gregory McGowan
March 21, 2017 @ 10:29pm
Looking for Aiken Ancestors My name is Greg McGowan. I am a direct 4G Grandson of an Adam McGowan born in 1772 in the area around Peach Bottom Twp, York County, Pennsylvania and Fulton Twp, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. At one time this area was in dispute and was claimed as part of Maryland. To be clear here, I am not looking for McGowan ancestors. Several researchers of Adam felt that there was the possibility that Adam McGowan was not the name that he was born with. By stories told about him he was orphaned at an early age and was bonded out. The name change may have come about as part of an adoption or just to hide his birth name because he ran away from the bond contract before it was complete. In 2009, based on a yDNA test through Ancestry, we got our first hint that there was a good reason to believe there was a name change and that there was good chance we shared a common male ancestor at the 9th to 12th generation with a Norman D Akey. No further connection came from that test with Ancestry. Skip forward to late 2016 and early 2017 and yDNA-67 and yDNA-111 tests with FamilyTreeDNA and we have myself and two known 5th cousins sharing a common male ancestor with a Paul Aiken at the 6th to 8th generation. We also still have the connection to Norman D Akey at 9th to 12th generation and at least two other Aiken, Akey, Eaken lines at greater generational distances. Paul Aiken’s most distant known male ancestor was a William Aiken, b: abt 1738 in Agoghill (sp?), County Antrim and died about 1800 in Pennsylvania. Although no one is listing any parents or siblings for William, it is thought that he had a least two brothers (Robert and Samuel) who traveled with him or preceded him to the Colonies. The hinted arrival time for William and his family of four children was about 1774. There is a potential Oath of Allegiance in Pennsylvania in 1777. William and his wife Martha Burnside had at least one more child Alexander Scott Aiken, born 1781 in Fulton Twp, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Our current working hypothesis is that William Aiken is Adam’s Uncle and that is a son of a Samuel Aiken (Adam’s eldest male child is named Samuel). Adam is at the 6th generation for myself and my known 5th cousins. William would be at the 7th generation and William’s father would be the 8th generation. I at least one of my known 5th cousins are part of the Akins Project together with our close Aiken relatives in our own sub-group. The y-haplogroups are I-M223 and I-L126 with mine being further tested as part of a BigY test and verified as I-Y4751. We have a dedicated researcher who has spent many trips and hours searching birth records, adoption records, and bond contract records looking for Adam McGowan, it know going back and looking at those same records for a young Aiken (any spelling) of the appropriate age. The same researcher thinks we have located a possible Robert and Samuel Aiken. We are also trying to get yDNA test from descendants of another two of Adam’s surviving sons, John and Adam, Jr. Also working on tests from male descendants one generation closer to Adam. Help! Where do I go from here? Greg McGowan
Harold Turner
March 22, 2017 @ 10:22am
Well, All I can tell you is there are some Aiken's in Transylvania County, North Carolina and Greenville and Pickens South Carolina that came here from Pennsylvania. Also a Gowan family in North Greenville County, SC some of my ancestors.
Rick Hutton
February 1 @ 12:16am
Hi Greg.... I haven't been on this site for a few years so I'm just now reading your post. You probably have a lot more info by now but I thought I'd add some points that come to mind......I suspect that your Wm Aiken b. 1738 was probably from the parish of Ahoghill in Co Antrim.....Ahoghill was the largest parish in Co Antrim until 1840 when the parishes of Portglenone and Craigs were carved out of it.....You don't mention the religion of your Aikens. In March 1766, the Church of Ireland ordered their rectors to compile a census of the householders in their parish and list their religion; Church of Ireland, Presbyterian or Catholic.... The only Aikens that show up in that census for Ahoghill were Presbyterians and they were Jas Aikin, Jn Aken, Wm Aken, Gilbrt Akin, Jn Akin. Also, as per your post, there was a Jn Burnside and a W Burnside....The 1833 OS Memoirs list a Peter Aicken who was a seneschal ( administrator of justice) for Ahoghill and surrounding parishes. The memoirs also list Aikin family members buried in the graveyard of the parish church in the townland of Kirkinriola (just east of Ahoghill). Hope this helps
Gregory McGowan
February 6 @ 5:28am
We have picked up on William Aiken and Martha Burnside as being a part of a particularly devout group of Presbyterian Conventers.
Gregory McGowan
February 6 @ 5:31am
We are still on the assumption that William is a brother or First Cousin of Adam McGowan’s biological father.
George Allen George Allen
January 20 @ 8:51pm
Does anybody understand GED Match? Every time I look at it I get confused, so I do not reach out to anybody I see on the list of matches. I also have no idea why I have 3 GEDMatch ID's... I presime because I uploaded 3 different results. My #'s are" A220398, A286227 and M278127. If I appear on anybody's list I would appreciate any insight you may have. Thank you
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Richard Dean
January 21 @ 8:55pm
Gedmatch is currently automatically transitioning everyone to their Genesis system. Their original software was not compatible with newer DNA formats. Your IDs should have been automatically moved over. For starters do the "One-To-Many DNA Comparison Result". Try to isolate your results into your Fathers side and your mother's side. You can do the "People who match both, or 1 of 2 kits" to help isolate this. You will need two IDs to do this: first your ID and then the ID you want to compare with. The results will show you who matches both of you. Here it gets more detailed. You check the check boxes of the people you want to compare. Next page I usually select Visualization options.. Next page I usually select Seg-Srch. You will now see colored bars representing positions on chromosomes you match at and the length in cM (centimorgan) of the match. Every one of your matches inherits cM from each parent on one or more chromosomes. If you isolate your father from your mothers matches then you can try to isolate your father's father from your father's mother. Very close relatives will match on more then one Chromosome for a longer length. Most people out at the 4th generation or greater will match on only one chromosome for a length greater then 7. The concept is to organize family groups by chromosome. Gedmatch originally showed matches who had a family tree called Gedcom. They haven't migrated Gedcom into their matching for Genesis yet. The new privacy rules introduced at the end of last year required them to automatically mark parts of the Gedcom family trees as private. A lot of this data was not private before. I'm not sure if Gedmatch is working to improve their handling of privacy or not? It seems it was easier to instill more privacy then required to keep the system running. So Gedmatch is playing catchup with new DNA types through Genesis and new privacy concerns in their handling of Gedcoms. There is also now law enforcement activity and other activity. I.e. I have matches which pop up one day then disappear 12 hours later. I think Gedmatch has referred to these as some kind of research activity. I have used the compare two person match with these and found theses IDs have 1000s of 1st cousins. I think someone is hand coding raw data files and running them against Gedmatch. The best thing is to start basic and try something more complex a little at a time as you gain comfort using the tools.
Richard Dean
January 21 @ 9:04pm
I have also uploaded my FTDNA raw data to www.myheritage.com (for free) which seems more user friendly. However they keep trying to sell you various genealogy upgrades. One advantage of this site is that I appear to get quite a few matches outside the USA. You can search for matches filtered by country (Ireland, Scotland, England, Australia etc).
George Allen
January 22 @ 8:50pm
Thanks Richard - I noticed the migration to Genesis from Gedmatch, and I still need to explore the site more to get an understanding of how it works. I have done some comparisons, but for some reason I am not comfortable reaching out to users. I was contacted by one person trying to find information because they were adopted, I really felt badly because I couldn't offer much information to them that was helpful. I haven't uploaded my FTDNA results to myheritage.com, I wonder how it will affect the results they already have. Did you upload just the YDNA or also the mtDNA results? I will have to look into that, thank you.
Richard Dean
January 23 @ 11:50am
MyHeritage upload is just the FTDNA family finder or other autosomal DNA data. I believe MyHeritage is soon going to quit giving ethenisity analysis from free uploaded data but will still give free DNA matching. Also if you upload a Gedcom type family tree they will separately match you against other Gedcom family trees uploaded into their network. It surprises me how many family tree matches I get who haven't gotten a DNA test (either at their site or uploaded free from another site like FTDNA). I usually only email people who I have a very strong match with or I know the relationship. I've actually gotten photos of my ancestors from contacts (photos of my great grandparents and my grandfather and his brothers and sister's on my father's side). I did get one match who emailed me about a pre 1740 match. His Bourland family is documented in a book "Bourlands of America". My Bourland family from Augusta County Virginia is listed as possibly connected to theirs in the back of the book. Since I match him on the same Chromosome and location as other known Bourlands there is a high probability we are related. I have a good paper trail from my ancestor who was shot and killed in 1761 as Sheriff of Augusta County Va. The Bourland book written in the 1800s documents the Bourland family to Ireland and Scotland.
Donald Matthews Donald Matthews
January 20 @ 6:30pm
My DNA tests confirm that two branches of my family are from Northern Ireland (Davidson and Drake). I have had no luck finding any birth or death records from my GGF Patrick Drake, other than his marriage certificate from Downpatrick in 1853. I am not sure where he was born in NI. Any suggestions are appreciated.
John Henderson
January 21 @ 11:30am
Have you tried the Ros Davies website? Lots of information about County Down families.
Donald Matthews
January 21 @ 12:24pm
Thanks, I did see the site and found it helpful.
Kevin Ireland
January 22 @ 7:03am
Thanks, John. I wasn't aware of the site.
Richard Wright Richard Wright
January 19 @ 12:02pm
Are we related? MtDNA haplogroup T2b3-C151T GedMatch T667027 Alexander Ocheltree, b. 1742 in Armagh, Armagh, Ireland, d. 29 May 1778 at Fort Donnally, Virginia. Married Elizabeth McCoy, b. 1750 in Greenbrier, Virginia, d. 1792 in Greenbrier, Virginia. Isaac Ocheltree, b. 1779 in Greenbrier, Virginia, d. 1828 in Greenbrier, Virginia. Married Hannah Louise Blake, b. 1794 in Greenbrier, Virginia, d. 1850 in Braxton, Virginia Harrison Ocheltree, b. 12 July 1816 in Roanoke, Greenbrier, Virginia, d. 25 December 1871 in Flatwoods, Braxton, Virginia. Married Martha Diodema Clutter, b. 17 September 1817 in Pocahontas, Chesterfield, Virginia, d. 15 November 1908 in Newville, Braxton, West Virginia Isaac Clutter Ocheltree, b. 8 August 1842 in Flatwoods, Braxton, Virginia, d. 20 October 1897 in Sand Run, Upshur, West Virginia. Married Margaret Agnes Pearl “Poppy” Williams, b. 10 August 1842 in Virginia, d. 24 February 1886 in Upshur, West Virgnia Charles Hanson Ocheltree, b. 4 June 1872, Weston Red Bridge Farm, Braxton, West Virginia, d. 13 June 1947 in Kansas City, Kansas. Married Katherine Elizabeth Ireland, b. 5 May, 871 in Leatherbark Creek Farm, Smithville, Ritchie, West Virginia, d. 10 January 1911 in Morgantown, West Virginia. Ritchie Don Ocheltree, b. 2 October 1904 in Butler, Richland, Ohio, d. 17 December 1982, Seattle, Washington. Married Gertrude Elizabeth Boyer, b. 30 October 1903 in Centerview, Johnson, Missouri, d. 20 October 1996 in Seattle, Washington. Carolyn Donine Ocheltree (xxxx - ) the mother of Richard Don Wright, myself
Garth Graham
January 19 @ 6:12pm
While it doesn't appear that we are related, we sure do have a lot of common surnames: Adams Baker Craig Evans Harmon Lewis Miller Mitchell Parker Wallace Wilson Wright If you click on my name you will see all of our common surnames in our trees. I have a great great grandmother Wright born in 1879 in PA who's father Henry Wright was born in 1843 in England. He then at some point came over to Pennsylvania.
Timothy McCoy Timothy McCoy has a question!
April 13, 2018 @ 10:57pm
How popular is DNA genealogy research in northern Ireland and Scotland? It would be an enormous help to us Americans if more native Scots and Irish would test their DNA.
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Timothy McCoy
April 28, 2018 @ 8:54am
Thanks for the information!
John McCracken
September 3 @ 2:37pm
A good place to start would be the North of Ireland project, listed as a Dual (Y-DNA and MT-DNA) Geographical project. Understand that they order multiple test kits, so they can collect specimens and new members at the same time. Expect donations to help cover their costs would be appreciated.
Robert McSparin
October 23 @ 5:40am
I was able to find a few very distant cousins from Northern Ireland through Ydna testing. (I found him on an internet search of the surname, emailed for almost a year) I paid for the first man. (I have since traveled to Belfast twice and stayed in this family's home) The other did his own. Now, I am waiting on Ydna results from a man I found in Ayr, Scotland with our surname. It's been a fun adventure to say the least. :)
George Allen
January 19 @ 3:35pm
I've tried to find information out for ancestry in N. Ireland, and it has been a challenge to say the least. I do have a census record for Ballycraigy showing my great-great-grandfather and his family... so that was good. But is there anybody in Co Antrim one would be able to write to? The goal: find a living link if at all possible. My understanding is the farm is now a condominium complex, the address was 1 Balleycraigy Road I believe... have no idea what it may be now.
William Wright William Wright
November 22, 2017 @ 7:54pm
Can anyone explain this following statement: "It's a bonny bonny nicht tonicht for a wee dram of....right Mr. McCracken? Am ducking dew 'O kirk in de loch Donnie ye kin so." My late father often reciting it but never explained it to me. Does it, or does not, have anything to do with Henry Joy McCracken, the Country Antrim and Belfast leader of the 1798 United Irishmen Rebellion?
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Milton Lynn
November 6 @ 10:31pm
William Wright, I'm sorry I didn't see this before. (Actually, this is Milton's sister Loretta. I'm sad to report that Milton passed away two months ago, and I am now managing his account.) In any case, there is something to say about the bit you recited a year ago ... "It's a bonny bonny nicht tonicht for a wee dram of....right Mr. McCracken? Am ducking dew 'O kirk in de loch Donnie ye kin so."The words bonnie, nicht, wee dram, kirk, and loch all are Scottish words rather than Irish. (For example, a loch in Scotland is called a lough in Ireland, and kirk is the Scots word for church.) The word "donnie" probably is a corruption of "do not" "kin" should be "ken" - thus, "Do not you know so?" Do the elipses (....) signify a word not understood? I suspect it's Drambuie, a Scottish whiskey liqueur. Not sure what "dew 'o kirk" means.
James Watt
December 24 @ 2:09pm
It's good night tonight for a wee dram of....right Mr. McCracken? I'm dipping in the dew at the church in the lake that Donnie you know so well.
Bernard Kelley
January 15 @ 10:41am
Harold Turner;
Bernard Kelley
January 15 @ 10:44am
My Turner line is out of Bell county Kentucky, my great -grandfather was Charles Hagar Turner. They were in Jefferson county Indiana when his daughter Maude married my grandfather Louis Kelley
Garth Graham Garth Graham
December 20 @ 8:21am
In case anyone is interested in the BBC Scotland show called Rise of the Clans, here is episode 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ybe13JJg5-b5lBmNEM_Wha4Vg4Eo0p2F Ok so here's parts 2 and 3 all in one recording. It just finished and may still be processing but just keep checking back: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jIG6WCXt-jPRh9Z_vQUFEHlALGTf4A-M
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Ray Irwin Kit #432871
December 25 @ 7:48am
I have watched the first two. Both good. I could have done without the Signer in the right corner of the second but the story was the important part. :D
William Parks
December 27 @ 9:23am
Thank you Garth!
William Parks
December 29 @ 10:53am
Just finished episodes 2 & 3. Excellent. Thank you Garth.
Garth Graham
December 30 @ 12:23pm
Ok so here is a better version of part 2 without the sign language guy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15g5YjyjVjd2xFSnKNbFr55scG7sF5Ykp/view?usp=sharing
Stephen McCracken Stephen McCracken
November 11 @ 6:53am
Exiles of ’98 – Ulster Presbyterians and the United States (eBook) Ok last week I was privileged to ask to attend a conference and book launch. Its a "free" book paid for by the Ulster Historical Society and is highly recommended. Get yours here at this link https://www.booksireland.org.uk/store/ebooks/exiles-ebook?fbclid=IwAR3pPnLhjZbF-w4WQrhNu75DDCqpxO_DN-NXDgUqbk8ogzES9MNWUoBvVoc This eBook tells the fascinating story of Ulster Presbyterians who departed for America around the time of the 1798 Rebellion. Whether high in the councils of the United Irishmen, an ordinary oath-swearing member of the ranks, or an unaffiliated critic of existing political and social circumstances, an ultimately untold number of Ulster’s Presbyterians became associated with revolutionary currents in the final years of the eighteenth century. Many so involved – or so accused – took exile in the new United States. And whether personally known to Thomas Jefferson or a distant admirer, whether well-known preachers or scholars, lawyers or farmers or artisans, the Presbyterian exiles of the 1790s and early 1800s transformed their new homes, shaping and reshaping the politics and religion of America.
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Stephen McCracken
November 12 @ 4:18pm
Haha I was waiting for someone to notice
Garth Graham
November 12 @ 7:36pm
Unfortunately for me it probably won't help me figure out where my Graham line came over from Ireland as my most distant known Graham was James Graham born 1787 in Pennsylvania. So he was already here before the era that book is speaking of. But all of my family was Presbyterian so it interested me just in case I see something that rings a bell.
Peter Gilmore
December 6 @ 4:50pm
I'm glad it's highly recommended.
James Thompson
December 12 @ 10:05pm
Just ordered the ebook.