Munro Project

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Ryan Marksberry Ryan Marksberry
June 23 @ 10:47pm
Is there anyone here that can help look at my Monroe tree on Ancestry? We can go back to my 5th great grandfather Samuel Monroe (Munroe). Sources say that his father was a Samuel Munroe. My uncle is I-M253. He seems to match with the Pyle family. My uncles DNA is not matching with our tree on Ancestry. Would appreciate any help with my Ancestry tree.
Mark Monroe
June 25 @ 9:36pm
Ryan, the parents of Samuel Monroe who married Abigail Read are David Munroe and Deborah How. David's parents are William Munroe and Mary Ball. This information is from the book History and Genealogy of the Lexington, Mass. Munroes by R. S. Munroe.
Mark Monroe
June 25 @ 9:42pm
I assume your uncle's last name is Monroe. If he were descended from William Munroe, his haplogroup should be M269. Could there be an error in the paper record? I will take a look at your tree on Ancestry -- what is it's name?
Mark Monroe
June 25 @ 10:12pm
The Samuel Monroe who m. Abigail Read was born Sep 9, 1720 at Canterbury, CT and died Jan 15, 1777 in Revolutionary War. His sons were Isaac, Leonard and William.
Mark Monroe
June 30 @ 1:31pm
Ryan, this is the Mark Monroe that first communicated with you. As you likely know, Joseph Monroe appears in the 1840 and 1850 Grant Co., IN census. His first shown son Jesse is reported to have been born in OH in 1831 as well as the next 4 children through George b. 1839. A Joseph Monroe appears in the Adams, Muskingum Co., OH census age 30-39 (right age). Another Monroe appears on the same census page -- Samuel Monroe (age 80-90). It may be that researchers have assumed that this Joseph Monroe in Muskingum Co., OH is the same as Joseph who is in subsequently in Grant Co. IN and that Samuel is the name of his father. One or both may be true, however, this Samuel is not the Samuel who married Abigail Read as he was born in 1720 and died in 1777.
Ryan Marksberry Ryan Marksberry
June 26 @ 8:41pm
Hello Mark Monroe, Joseph Monroe is my 4th great grandfather. We have him being born in Bucks County PA late 1700s. Hints show his father being a Samuel Munroe. I am thinking this Samuel might be when the named change from Munroe to Monroe. It could be that Samuel might have adopted the surname Munroe and may not be a true Munro. Do you have a username or email I can send you an invite to look at my tree on Ancestry? I am also on Facebook if you want to meet up there.
Mark MONROE, #635203
June 26 @ 10:57pm
Ryan, there are several Mark Monroes but I am not sure if they are part of this project or not. My Samuel Monroe was born about 1805 and had no son named Joseph.
Ryan Marksberry
June 27 @ 5:25am
I was referring to you. I am not saying your Samuel Monroe was my 5th great grandfather. It looks like there is a Samuel Monroe possibly Munroe. Ancestry shows hints of this Samuel Munroe being my 5th great grandfather. All I am asking is for recognition of another possibility that there could be a Monroe/Munroe branch that is Haplogroup I-M253. My grandfather was a Lovell Monroe. He was born in Osgood Indiana. He was mostly a farmer. Lovell served in WWII in the Pacific. When he got older Lovell became a Deacon at his Baptist Church. I am just trying to figure out where our branch of Monroe/Munroe’s came from :-)
Mark MONROE, #635203
June 27 @ 7:02am
Ryan Marksberry
June 27 @ 2:47pm
Thanks I appreciate it. I am thinking that Joseph fathers have been adopted. Some hints I have seen on Ancestry show Samuel Munroe living in Canada, but Joseph was born in Pennsylvania. So we are not sure what to think
M. Barnes M. Barnes has a question!
March 15 @ 9:19pm
Is there anyway to do a snp test or snp pack without having to order the Big Y test ??? Which is the best way to go about it ?
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Colin Munro
April 14 @ 4:02am
In the FGC13326 group two of your Monroe matches are distantly comparable to a man descended from a Alexander Gemmell of Paisley (150712) but given the number of comparisons this is probably just chance (5-6/37). There are a couple of other Americans e.g. 837078. A DF96 Pack or YSeq U106 superpanel would take you further down the tree but probably not worthwhile as so far you have no relatives within the surname era apart from the Munros/Monroes you know of and Sutherland. Eventually the cost of a Big Y will fall enough to justify, meantime wait and see!
M. Barnes
April 15 @ 9:03pm
You're right...it seems like the furthest is probably somewhere in the 1700's with the munro and Monroe surname. Only 2 names I am well aware of is Daniel Monroe and hia father Henry Monroe but after that I really dont know anything more than that. I hope the big Y does go down some to where its affordable.
M. Barnes
June 15 @ 3:03pm
Colin Munro- It appears my dad's snp results has changed again he is positive for snp FGC34166 and FGC34162
Colin Munro
June 19 @ 2:43am
This is as a result of updated comparisons - these SNPs are one step down on the Y-tree from FGC13326, and are shared with men called Cook, Pyles, Hawley, and Baard, amongst others, but the common male ancestor is still looking to be 3000+ years ago. See https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=1332&star=false. You can see more detail in the FTDNA “Block Tree” if you enter branch name R-FGC34162. You can expect more changes as more people test.
Hans van Adrichem Hans van Adrichem
May 10 @ 9:19am
Hello my name is Marloes and I live in the Netherlands. I've let my father take an Y-DNA test because I want to know who my GGGGGrandfather was on the paternal side of the family. On christmas eve 1793 My earliest known ancestor Johannes van Adrichem and his twin brother were born in Rotterdam. The mother was Anna van Adrichem, the father unknown. My father has 16 Y-DNA matches and 11 of the are from the Munro family. I could find only one person in Rotterdam with the name Munro, who lived close by Anna and is the same age. Now I'm trying to find a connection between the Scottisch soldier Donald Munro and his wife Florence Rose/Ross (Married in 1751 in Nigg) who came tot the Netherlands and the Y-DNA matches (they are in group 4)
Marion Boyd Marion Boyd has a question!
May 9 @ 11:23am
My maiden name is Monroe, there are not any males available to take a DNA test, so I am assuming the Munro Project is not relevant to me because it is based on male DNA?
Charles Munroe
May 9 @ 9:36pm
Marion: Having a male Monroe in your family take the DNA test is important as it will potentially connect you to other Monroes that you are related to an they may have information to share. Never give up. Charles Munroe ccmunroeiii@msn.com
Mark MONROE, #635203
May 9 @ 9:53pm
Charles is right. A male Monroe brother, dad or grandfather, uncle, or even cousin. And like he said, "never give up."
Kent Monro
May 10 @ 2:27pm
If there are no male Munro’s to test you could do the Family Finder test. It may help you find some Munro cousins
Colin Munro
May 11 @ 3:56am
Marion, you are correct in so far as participants in the results table are all men. However there are many female project members and many of the men with Y-DNA results in the “Ungrouped” section are related only in the female line, so you are not alone. Paper genealogy might help you connect with some of the other Monroes who have tested, and as Kent suggests, autosomal tests like FamilyFinder (more people to compare at Ancestry, 23andMe etc.) might connect you with Monroes in the last 5-6 generations.
Mark MONROE, #635203 Mark MONROE, #635203
April 19 @ 8:44am
Charles Munroe
May 9 @ 9:41pm
Read Richard S> Monroes book the Monroes of Lexington. I believe there are a number of Monroes related to him. Charles Munroe ccmunroeiii@msn.com
Mark MONROE, #635203 Mark MONROE, #635203
October 22 @ 8:58pm
I have just learned Clan Chief Hector's mother Eleanor "Timmy" Munro has passed away. As many of you who had the remarkable opportunity to meet her know, she was in her element at the castle. She was so gracious, funny, and knew so much about the Clan Munro. I personally learned so much from her and it was from her urging that I joined this project. She will be missed by all that knew her. Prayers to Hector, Finnian, and the family.
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Larry Allen
October 25 @ 5:30pm
hi Mark, according to Geni both Eleanor and her husband were my distant cousins, one maternal and one paternal. thank you for posting this. I am always interested in finding relatives.
Dane Munro
October 29 @ 4:18am
I am saddened by this loss, my sincere condolences to everyone.
Alan MUNRO
May 4 @ 11:51am
Having been warmly welcomed to Foulis by Timmy as she insisted we address her, all I can say is Rest in Peace dear lady you have run a good race at speed by all accounts and her whole family have our sincere condolences
Alan MUNRO
May 7 @ 2:53pm
Thank you Rosemary
Karen Vaillancourt Karen Vaillancourt has a question!
April 22 @ 2:11am
i do not know what the numbers mean and what the color coding means. I believe I am related to Edmund Munro and his father Ensign Robert Munro. do you know these people are related to the munro clan in scotland?
Colin Munro
April 22 @ 7:42am
There have probably been dozens of “Ensign Robert Munros” over the centuries, and many Edmunds, so that’s not much help in answering your question. Where and when? In the colorized results table, the Groups (1-34) numbered in straplines are clusters of men whose similar values for a series of variable markers of the male or Y chromosome (the numbers within cells of the table) suggest they may have common male line ancestry within genealogical time (700 years). The strapline colors are just to make the groups distinct. Within each Group, cells which have the most common (modal) value in that group are uncolored; those which are numerically greater are in shades of pink and those numerically less, in shades of purple. The fewer differences a sample has to the modal value of all markers (i.e. the less colorful the line) the more likely the participant is to really belong to the cluster, rather than be similar by chance. Some of the groups can be traced back to specific (Scots) Munro male ancestors, but almost all belong to male DNA lines commonly found in Scotland and Ireland. If you have a male Munro in your family who is descended purely in the male line as far back as you know, his DNA can be tested to see if the variable Y chromosome markers match one or other cluster. However, many men whose forefathers have been called Munro/Monroe etc. for generations have no matches so far, and appear as “Ungrouped” (though they may have matches in other surname projects). Other ungrouped participants are Munros via a maternal line so are not expected to share Y DNA. Alternatively if you can identify other male relatives of Edmund and Robert, some may already have tested. http://clanmunrousa.org/gen/surnames.php is a good place to start.
Mark MONROE, #635203 Mark MONROE, #635203
September 1, 2018 @ 9:56am
Based off of known and authentic family trees, do we know what haplogroup President James Monroe would most likely have belonged? In the DNA Results, we have I-M253, R-M269, and I-P37 as the most common. I am trying to explain our DNA results to a family member and I cannot answer this question.
Mark MONROE, #635203
September 1, 2018 @ 7:40pm
Wow, thanks Colin! I reached and Googled without any luck. Should have checked here first!
Samuel Fletcher
March 22 @ 10:59pm
I don't see this answer in the comments. What was the haplogroup?
Colin Munro
March 24 @ 3:54am
I deleted my reply once Mark had read it. James Monroe’s great grandfather William Monroe belonged to Group 11 (I-P37) and would be Y12073+ (as are all Foulis Munros), and also Y19285+ and A9877+ (Indicates descendants of Hugh Munro of Coul’s eldest son John, including Teaninich cadet family).
Mark MONROE, #635203
March 31 @ 9:35am
Growing up, my grandparents always said we were related to President James Monroe. Our family tree was not documented past 4 generations but my grandmother and grandpa's sister spent most of their lives researching the old fashioned way, letter writing and visiting sites and relatives they found. I inherited the research from my grandmother and have continued the research for 20 years. With technology, I have been able to expand the tree back to 8 generations. Using Colin's answer in conjunction with DNA results, it is becoming apparent that my link to the clan is a maternal one. My Y-DNA has most matches to the Reilly Clan in Ireland. One of those matches recently posted a comment that one of his ancestors was married with a family when he had a child with an unmarried Monroe woman. The male child took the Monroe surname. The birth date was around the time my 7x grandfather was born but the name of the male child and location where he settled did not match anyone in my family. However, it does illustrate a possible link for me to research. If it happened once it may have happened several times. It pays to keep an open mind, the understanding of the times, and how to assist others in their research. In this case, Colin provided information that separated my Y-DNA from Jame's Monroe's. It will be harder to find a maternal link but I won't have to spend as much time looking paternally and can spend more time maternally. Unfortunately, my Reilly match is much too busy to help me or provide links or access to his trees. Thanks again, Colin, for your help!
Mark MONROE, #635203 Mark MONROE, #635203
March 31 @ 9:06am
I upgraded to the Big-Y700 from the Big-Y500 on March 25. I am not expecting an earthquake from the results but am trying to keep up to date with technology. The regular price for the upgrade will be $249USD tomorrow which is why I was motivated to order it now for $179USD. It may not help me much but it may help the Munro Project members, especially those in my Group that have not tested past Y111.