The Group is for males of all variant surnames, including Mac and Crae, who are encouraged to initially take the 37 Marker Y-DNA test and share their Y-DNA test data and paternal history with others who have been Y-DNA tested, or their proxie, in order to find a common male ancestor(s). Female McCrays are encouraged to furnish a related (father, uncle, brother, nephew, or cousin) male McCray willing to be Y-DNA tested have the female relative serve as their proxie during the sharing process. Because my wife was a CRAY whose last name was changed from CRAYS/CRAZE/CRAES, etc. over the centuries, I also expanded my researched to the McCrays. Her line has been traced to four brothers who first appeared in the 1790 Census of Barree Twp., Huntingdon Co., PA. The family appears to have came from Scotland as MacRea. Descendants have migrated from PA to OH, IN, IL, MN, & KS. This is the area of my McCray research with the help of a close personal friend and neighbor, Phillip McCray, the author of "The McCrays of America," who is now deceased. I hope to determine IF the variant spellings of these last names have a close Y-DNA match and hence share a common male ancestor(s). As a minimum, if enough male McCrays participate, we should be able to determine if they all share a common male ancestor within recorded time, or are part of distinctive, unrelated paternal lines of McCrays. George W. Page Col., U.S. Army (Ret.) gwpage@erols.com 1100 Cataway Place Bryans Rd, MD 20616