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The West Stow and BSE branch YDNA results show that these 2 branches are related through a common ancestor, but who or when they lived is not yet known. They are from the haplogroup R1b which is common in Western Europe. This branch's DNA results were interesting in that it was possible to observe two mutations in the YDNA over time which passed down through different generations of the family. Haplogroup R-M269 is the dominant lineage in all of Western Europe today. We now know that the shared ancestor of these branches probably lived around 1450-1500 which is in the period of surnames. However, finding the genealogical evidence is proving diffiuclt.
The Barton Mills / Herringswell branches proved to be related, and once that was known the common ancestor was identified through genealogical research. This branch's Y DNA is from the I1b1a haplogroup which is rare in the UK. David Weston of the East Anglian DNA Project says: "My guess is that C's deep ancestry is Ancient Briton, with his line having arrived with the migration north out of the Iberian peninsula following the end of the last ice age. His ancestors could have arrived with the Romans or Normans as well." FTDNA say: Haplogroup I dates to 23,000 years ago, or older. The I-P215 lineage is about 15,000 years old and began in southern Europe. Today it is found primarily in Sardinia and the Balkans. Haplogroup I represents one of the first peoples in Europe.
The 2 Bacton branch YDNA results are in the J2 haplogroup which is rare in the UK and does not match any other Dorling branch. FTDNA say: Haplogroup J-M172 is found at highest frequencies in the northern Middle East, west of the Zagros Mountains in Iran, to the Mediterrean Sea. It later spread throughout central Asia and south into India. J-M172 is tightly associated with the expansion of agriculture, which began about 10,000 years ago. As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry, this lineage is found at substantial frequencies within Jewish populations.
The Dennington branch YDNA result does not match any of the other Dorling DNA sequences. Volunteer needed as the original tester's results are not available on FTDNA, so we cannot find out if there are any matches. It is part of the European haplogroup R1b which is wwidespread in the UK. Another male descendent needs to be tested to confirm the DNA signature of this branch. The Dennington / Epson branch is believed to be descended from John Dorling (b. approx 1660s) who married Margaret. Their children were baptised between 1694-1716 in Dennington, Suffolk, UK.
No-one from the small Framsden branch has been tested - Volunteer needed.
The Bedfield branch - Volunteer needed. This branch descends from a female Dorling, Ann, whose son George Legate Dorling was born in Bedfield in 1762. George was apprenticed, and maybe his father paid for this. It is possible that the YDNA of this branch is from a male with the surname Legate or a surname variation such as Leggat. There is now a Leggett DNA Project so if any male Bedfield descendants would like to be tested to see if they match the Leggetts please join the Dorling DNA Project to be tested and we will compare your results with the Leggetts tested so far.
NB: If the autosomal Family Finder or Ancestry test was taken by descendants of the Bedfield and other Dorling branches, it might be possible to find links to the Bedfield branch to give clues as to which branch Ann, mother of George, was from - any volunteers? Volunteers need to be from the oldest generation possible, so if you have older relatives who might be willing, please ask them.
RESULTS OF Autosomal DNA MATCHES BETWEEN KNOWN BACTON DESCENDANTS
We all share ancestors John Dorling born about 1762 and his wife Elizabeth nee Sergeant. Ju, B, D, K, and P also share James Dorling born 1807 = Mary Ann Garrard.
1st cousins (1C) share Grandparents, 3rd Cousins (3C) share Gt Gt Grandparents. 3rdcousins once removed (3C1R) - 1 cousin has Gt Gt Grandparents who are Gt Gt Gt Grandparents of the other cousin. 4th cousins (4C) share Gt Gt Gt Grandparents etc.
The chances of an autosomal DNA test detecting cousins: 1C = 99%, 2C 99%, 3c= 90%, 4C = 50%, 5C = 10%. This means Ba is less much less likely to have matches.
As DNA is inherited hapharzardly it is not surprising to see that some 3rd cousins do not match but some 4th cousins have good matches. This table shows the average amount of shared cM that has been found between various cousin relationships. As you can see, it’s quite possible to have no matching DNA at the 3rd Cousin level. However, it's possible to have matches with people at quite a distance. For example: H is 7 generations away from the ancestral couple shared with P & J but has a good match to them both.
Matches are measured by cM (centimorgans). A shared block / segment of 15 cM or more on one of the 23 chromosomes gives a 99% certainty of a relationship. Shared blocks below 7 cM are much more likely to be chance. However, as we know there’s a relationship between everyone it’s worth looking at small matches, especially if they are in segments that other’s match on. E.G.Ba’s small C5 matches to Ju and Dare within the same segment as Ju and D’s Chr 5 match, so there’s a chance it comes from our shared ancestor.
[Because D and K’s family both have Yorkshire & Cork, Ireland ancestors, it is also possible they share distant ancestors from that area. I checked D against K's non-Dorling relatives on the Yorkshire ancestors. With one person, a 1c1R of K (Welsh &Yks ancestors), D has a small match on C22 with the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) an estimated 7.5 generations back or more]
The Table below and it's information
1. First information in each cell is how we are related to each other. e.g. 1C – 1stcousins, 3C1R = 1st cousins once removed.
2. The next information in blue font is our total shared cM. The cell is highlighted in green where there is a significant match.
3. The underlined text is the Chromosomenumber that we have the largest matches, and the numbers given is the start andend position on the chromosome of that segment block, in millions of cM.
Examples from the table - Ju matches P (4thcousins) with a total of 37 cM, the biggest segment being on chromosome 8 from 98 million to 60 million which is 15.7 cM.
- Ju matches D (3rdcousins) with a total of 86 cM, the biggest matching segment being 32 cM onchromosome 3.
- Although P and K are more distant relatives to P than Ju or B, they have bigger matches –so their father must have inherited more of the shared DNA than Ju and B.
Another bacton descendant SM descended from Edward 1805 matches Pa, J, D, and K