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Darling: Dennis of Braintree

Dennis Darling, Benson, John Daly and George Darling Project
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Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
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May 24 @ 10:05am
5/24/2020: This is a combined tree that includes all of our current knowledge on Big Y SNP testing, STR testing and traditional genealogy research for the Dennis Darling Project. Thanks to Admin. Ron Benson for creating the tree. CHECK THE "NEWS" SECTION FOR A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE TREE AND THE MOST UP TO DATE INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
February 11 @ 8:30am
UPDATE 2/11/2020:
William Darling
February 11 @ 8:57am
UPDATE 2/11/2020: Above is the most updated tree that includes 11 group members: Big Y: 6 members in this tree. This provided ABSOLUTE proof of relationship and branching. Y-111: Darling 2 is at 111 and has a pending Big Y. Y-67: 2 members Y-37: 2 members (one deceased that cannot be upgraded) Pending Connor Big Y: We have a member named Conner that is not in this tree but is a match. They are upgrading and we will see how they fit into the tree. Pending Daly Big Y: Several of our group members are also members of the Daily Surname Project on FTDNA. We have a PROVEN IRISH ANCESTRY for our group Y-DNA. A member of our Daily Surname Sub-Group matches extremely closely to our Daily 1 line and Darling 1 line. This person is not a member of our group but is upgrading to the Big Y. He lives in Ireland and is related as close to our group as our Daily 1 line. This is quite significant and should assist in determining where the Darling/Daily line originated. I expect that this test will match as close or closer to our group than our Daily 1 line. Darling 3: This member is tested at Y-67, and the SAPP tree placed him closer to Darling 5 and the Benson group. At 67 markers, the relationship is unsure and I recommend the kit be upgraded to clearly define the relationship. Darling 6: This member is tested at Y-37 and the placement at the top of the tree is very uncertain. Great news with much more to come. Thanks to all of the members that have upgraded and allowed us to make significant progress. -Craig Begeman
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
December 21 @ 8:06am
NEW SAPP TREE WITH 4 BIG Y RESULTS INCLUDED: We have 4 of the 6 Big Y Tests back and they showed some interesting results. The Big Y shows unique mutations in the Y-DNA that allow us to create specific branching points. The unique mutations are called SNPs or "Snips". With the previous tests (Y- 37 to 111), we get STRs, which are very good for showing if someone is related, but they are problematic for creating the specific branching points that "Snips" provide. DAILY 1 BIG Y: We confirmed that Daily1, branched from our group in roughly 1500 to 1550 and show a common "Snip" with the 3 Darling and Benson tests. This Daily's ancestor was born in County Cork, Ireland in 1825, confirming that our group is related to a line in this group. OTHER IRISH DNA: The much larger parent group that we are descended from is all IRISH. This marker is L1336. Of the people that have tested positive for this marker, 47 people self report they are of Irish origin, 1 Northern Ireland, 1 Scotland and 1 England. 34 others tested on this branch did not list a known origin. The one England test is interesting in their last name is De Lancey. They are very closely related to a "Glancy" from Ireland. I suspect their line moved to England and changed their name. DARLING 5 BIG Y: This is our new member that has a Darling line that comes from NY State. They are on the same branch as our Benson members, but are separate from Darling 1, 2, 4. This is significant for our Benson members and should help Darling 5 sort out their ancestry. The Benson member's non-parental event occurred in Mendon, Mass. BENSON 1 BIG Y: Benson 1 is confirmed to have branched from Darling 5 and is proven to be descended from our Dennis Darling group. This will help him narrow his likely suspects for his NPE in Mendon. Ron Benson will be upgrading another one of the Benson members to the Big Y to help sort out his relationships and try and get another Snip branch in his group. Darling 3: The STRs are placing Darling 3 in between Darling 5 and the Benson group. Darling 2: With the Snips of the other tests, the Darling 2 STRs placed Darling 2 closer to Darling 1 and 5. This is an interesting development and is more in line with the research records for these lines being descended from Benjamin Darling. DARLING 5 Big Y: This is our last pending Big Y Test. FURTHER BIG Y TESTING: Since receiving the Big Y Tests, we have learned some significant limitations of the Y-37 to 111 STR testing when trying to create branches. As we previously thought, they are not as reliable for creating branching points. This is because some of the markers are highly variable,causing us not to be able to to tell if a marker has changed repeatedly. We also suspect there are some mis-reads on the tests, sending us in an incorrect direction. We are encouraging our remaining members to upgrade to the Big Y. The prices have dropped and we will have a core group of 6 members to compare any new testers against. Best wishes and Merry Christmas, Craig Begeman
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
December 7 @ 9:52am
IRISH CONNECTION CONFIRMED! : Our Dailey member's Big Y kit returned and Darling 1 is confirmed to be directly related to him. Our Dailey member directly traces his ancestry to Ambrose Daily, who was born in Kinsale, Ireland in 1825. He died in Morgan County, Illinois in 1858. Literally carved into his headstone is his place of birth: Kinsale, County of Cork, Ireland. TIME FRAME OF COMMON ANCESTOR: The Dailey Big Y results are not 100% complete and the terminal SNP is still being determined. I manually (roughly) calculated the common ancestor between Ambrose Daily and Darling1 as being born about 1550 AD. The SAPP tree calculated the TMRCA as 1500 AD. Dennis Darling was born about 1640, so this puts the common ancestor within a very close time frame of Dennis Darling. LOCATION OF ORIGIN: With the close time frame of the common ancestor and the birth of Dennis Darling, their very likely common origin could be County Cork, Ireland. NEW SAPP TREE: Above is the new SAPP tree. This tree included the STR data, family relationships and the new SNP. It is very interesting that the program continues to put Darling 2 further back than the confirmed Dailey connection. Darling3 is only tested at Y-37, so the position would likely change if tested at a higher level. I recommend that Darling 2 test at the Big Y in order to clarify the results. FURTHER BIG Y TESTING: Darling 4, Darling 5 and Benson 1 should have their results soon. This will create a definite tree framework and will hopefully yield some interesting results. -Craig
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
December 5 @ 6:45pm
NEW BENSON LINE 4 TEST IS IN: Our newest Benson member Y-111 results returned and have been included in the above SAPP tree. The results very closely match the Dennis Darling mode. The new results match the Darling results and his researched family tree of being descended from Moses Benson. This result confirms Ron Benson's research and narrows down the prospective Darlings responsible for his line. DARLING 1 and DARLING 4 Lines: The two lines continue to be closely related and are confirming the research record. Node 15 could likely represent Benjamin Darling, the son of Dennis Darling. DARLING 5: Is currently tested at Y-67 and is upgrading to the Big Y. The result should narrow the possibilities of relationships. The program is putting Darling 5 and Darling 3 as possibly being related to brothers of Benjamin Darling. DARLING 2: The upper markers for Darling 2 line had 4 distinct marker differences that do not appear in any of the other group members. The more members we test, the more likely it is that the marker variations represent a distinctly separate line from one of the sons of Dennis Darling. Node 17 could likely represent Dennis Darling. If that is the case, Darling 2 could descend from a brother of Dennis Darling. DARLING 6: He is tested at only Y-37, which is much more unreliable. I would expect that a higher level test would aid in placement on the tree. His current placement could likely be inaccurate. BIG Y TESTS: We have four members currently being tested for the Big Y: Darling 4 Darling 5 Benson 1 Dailey The results of the tests will give us a very strong structure for our tree that all of the other non-Big Y members will be able to attach to. The Dailey member will allow us to determine if there is a direct relation to a Dailey that originated in Ireland, possibly aiding in confirming the relationship to John Daly. -Craig
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
November 8 @ 9:39am
We have two new Darling members (Darling 5 and Darling 6). Darling 5 does not have a research record. Darling 6 has a record and I am waiting for it to be sent. SAPP TREE: The posted image is of the SAPP (Still Another Phylogeny Program) tree. This is a site that allows you to enter STR, SNP, traditional research relations and several other factors to have the site create a tree. The tree is based upon formulas for the mutation rates of the markers and calculated distances of most distant know ancestors. The SAPP tree was calculated with the 6 DARLING and 3 BENSON kits. The tree was calculated with with ONLY the Benson researched family lines. The Darling research lines were excluded because the Y-data appears to conflict with some of the research records. The idea is to let the markers speak for themselves and lead us. BENSON: DYS437 has a 14 on all of the Benson kits and 15 on all of the Darling kits. This is the unique Benson line STR marker. The Darling line 4 placement is consistent with his research that he is descended from Benjamin Darling of Mendon, Massachusetts. His connection to Mendon is consistent with the Benson connection to Mendon, Mass. NODE 13: It appears that Node 13 could represent Benjamin Darling. Darling 2: This line has unique markers at the higher end of the Y-111 that are not consistent with the rest of the group. The SAPP program is placing Darling 2 a level higher than Benjamin, to Node 15, which could represent Dennis Darling or one of Benjamin Darling's brothers. Darling 3 is on the same Node and should assist in their research. Darling 5 and 6: They appear at the top of the tree on a separate node. I interpret this as related, but probably inaccurate, because they are only tested at Y-37. I recommend that they test at a higher level to narrow down their relationship. BIG Y-700: Definitive branching points can be determined by SNP testing. DARLING 1 Big Y700 results returned and the terminal SNP is A936. If another member tests with the Big Y, it would provide proof of the relationships and branching This test should tie the overall group into the larger community of people that have tested at the Big Y, anchoring our research into deeper history. If we had two Darlings tested at the Big Y and one from any other surname lines (Benson, Dailey) it would establish a strong connection to Dennis and create a framework for continued research. OF PARTICULAR INTEREST would be to get a DALY / DAILEY to do the Big Y test to see if we can determine when the branches diverged. In the matches, Thomas DALY shows up on several of our kits and is very closely related. My suspicion is that there could be some near relation to Dennis DARLING or a relation from Ireland. He has not responded to emails. Best regards, Craig
Ronald Benson
November 12 @ 12:03pm
We have another Benson test in the works. He is one generation further back that the branch point of those Benson testers who match the Darling family. So, if he matches the Darling clan, as the other Benson testers have, that would push the Benson-Darling branch back one more generation closer to Dennis1 Darling.
Craig Begeman
November 14 @ 6:54am
One new Benson member with Y-111 and 3 New Big Y tests. Great news.
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
November 9 @ 7:53am
More GOOD NEWS: One of our new Darling members (Darling5) has signed up to take the Big Y. Along with them we have a Benson member and our Dailey member upgrading the the Big Y. We also have another Benson member signed on that will be testing at Y-111. DARLING 5, Kit 913067: They trace their line back to Abner Darling in Sempronious, Cayuga, New York in 1810. Admin. Ron Benson and I will be working with them on traditional genealogical research to trace their line. We would like to have a verified line back to Dennis Darling to associate with their Big Y SNP results. Their current Y-37 suggests a relationship to the Dennis line, but their test has 4 mutations from the Dennis Darling mode, 3 of which are in high mutation areas or do not appear in the other members. BENSON, Kit 208150: It is expected that the Benson member will match with the Darling1 line that has already tested with the Big Y, confirming that he is descended from the Darlings. The advantage of this test is that it will likely identify the SNP branching point for the common ancestor between Darling1 and Benson1. This will be a unique marker to those two people, otherwise known as a terminal SNP. If someone tests and has this terminal SNP, there is no question that they are descended from this person. This also applies to any of the SNP markers above the terminal SNP. Anyone testing with those WILL be related. The advantage of Big Y SNP testing is that it allows for creation of a definite branch structure and will tie our group directly into others that have tested at the Big Y. The Darling1 test has already connected to this tree, but the most recent relationship to someone that has taken the Big Y test is estimated to be about 900 years distant (most likely in Ireland). DAILEY, Kit B432898: Our one Dailey member has also agreed to test at the Big Y. There are many Dailey name variants that appear on most everyone's results. The theory is that Dennis Darling had a brother by the name of Daly in Braintree. Our Dailey member's line is traced to a Dailey that was born in Kinsale, County Cork, Ireland in 1825. He does not have a known connection to Darling or the Daly's in Braintree. The Big Y test of the Darling1 line strongly suggests that the Darling line is from Ireland. The test of the Dailey member will definitively include or exclude the connection to him. The STR markers are very close, but the question is if we have a case of convergence or a true close relationship. I appreciate our Dailey member taking the research leap with me to figure out if we are truly connected. SNP TEST (Big Y) and STR: The STR tests (the current test of everyone in the group) can be woven into the SNP tree to fill it in. STR testing has limitations because of changing marker mutations (up and down) that cause distantly related groups to be more closely related in time. SNP testing does not have that limitation. The best example I have heard is that Big Y testing will form the large branches and trunk of a tree. The STR results (for those that have not tested at Big Y) can then be put on the tree like leaves. Best regards and can't wait to see the new results, Craig Begeman Project admin.
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
June 13, 2019 @ 8:49pm
NEW DARLING LINE #4 RESULTS WITH Y-37: The new Darling member results are in and the SAPP tree placed Darling 4 and Darling 2 on the same node. Darling 1 and Darling 3 are on the same branching level, just below Benjamin Darling. SAPP TREE: The posted image is of the SAPP (Still Another Phylogeny Program) tree. This is a site that allows you to enter STR, SNP, traditional research relations and several other factors to have the site create a tree. The SAPP tree was calculated with the 4 Darling's and 3 Benson kits. The tree was calculated with the family relationships and without, and the results were the same either way. Time Frames: The tree calculates branching and very general time frames. The top of the tree has a rough estimation of when all of the trees branched from the common person. The vertical alignment of the tree does not indicated how closely they are related. BENSON: The Benson lines have some marker trends developing on the DYS534: Two of the Benson kits and Darling1 have a 17 on this marker. DYS437 has a 14 on all of the Benson kits and 15 on all of the Darling kits. The tree matches the expected result of the Benson's having a common ancestor with the Darling kits, around the time of Benjamin Darling. The Darling kits stayed in the same placement and the relationship between the Darling2 and Darling3 lines stayed strong. It appears that their DYS534 marker of 18 occurred after they split from the Darling1 line. This should be helpful for the Darling3 line research to establish a documented connection to Dennis Darling. DAILEY SURNAME: The Dailey kit has markers very close to Darling1 line. He was not added into the tree because, at this time, we do not have any research to support the relationship to the Darling/Benson kits, other than the very close number of markers to the marker mode for Darling/Benson. I recommend that the Dailey kit test at a higher level so we can have more clarity. BIG Y-700: Darling1 Big Y700 results returned and the terminal SNP is A936. If another member tests with the Big Y, it would provide definitive proof of the relationships and branching This test should tie the overall group into the larger community of people that have tested at the Big Y, anchoring our research into deeper history. If we had two Darlings tested at the Big Y and one from any other surname lines (Benson, Dailey) it would establish a strong connection to Dennis and create a framework for continued research.
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
June 13, 2019 @ 4:54pm
This is the new combined tree for with the FOUR Darling and three Benson kits. The TIP boxes were removed because they do not seem to be very accurate. Newest Member: Darling 4, Kit 907158, matches the mode of the project and traces their line to Samuel Darling, son of Benjamin Darling. Benson 1 has researched line to Mendon, Massachusetts, where his Benson line lived on a property that adjoined the Darlings. There appears to be a NPE because of the close proximity they lived to each other and the Y-match to the Darling line. The Father or Grand Father of Moses Benson appears to be a Darling. Benson 2 and Benson 3 descend from Amori Benson, who is the brother of Lyman Benson. Both Lyman and Amori are the sons of Peter Benson of Mendon, MA.
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
June 4, 2019 @ 2:06pm
Craig Begeman
June 4, 2019 @ 2:09pm
FTDNA block tree. ***GO TO THE PHOTO SECTION TO SEE A BIGGER PICTURE*** This is the FTDNA block tree for Darling 1 on the L1336 SNP (the top is cut off because of the size). The numbers aren't clear, but I wanted to illustrate the position of Darling 1 and the differences between the FTDNA block tree and The Big Tree. Many more participants on FTDNA and you can see that they are almost all Irish in origin. FTDNA Block Tree: I has many more participants, but they are only from FTDNA. If there are testers at other sites, you won't see them. They only show you self reported country of origin, with no further information unless you have a close match to someone. The upstream L1336 shows 9 tests from Ireland, one Scotland and one USA. The Big Tree: Advantage that anyone with a next generation Y SNP test can participate. That is why you will see different matches on this tree that may not appear on the FTDNA tree. You see a surname for everyone on the tree and a self reported country of origin. Very helpful to group surnames. They also have other free tools available for analysis and to look at the STRs of everyone so you can see deep STR trends. The down side is that there are not as many people that have uploaded their DNA for comparision.
Craig Begeman Craig Begeman
Admin
June 4, 2019 @ 10:30am
IRISH ! ? Darling Line 1 Big Y700 results are back and the puzzle got more interesting. The attached picture is of the SNP branching for Darling1's results that were added to The Big Tree, which is a third party site that researches the L21 SNP and all of the line's sub-groups. I chose to use this picture because the FTDNA block tree does not show all of the testers on the individual branches. The SNP matches are definitive proof of relationship branching. Darling1's terminal SNP is A936. The larger parent branch, L1336, is an Irish branch and all of the sub-branches trace their recent tester to Ireland. Since the upstream branches to A936 are also Irish, this would appear to put Darling1's DNA branch as originating in Ireland. BRANCH AGES: Listed in descending order with age. L1336 - about 675 AD, (14 Irish and 1 English, the English name is very similar to the Irish Glancy, so there could have been a movement and name change) This branch has many SNPs that are unique to all of the lines below tracing to Ireland. I interpret this as it is a very old branch from one geographic region. If there were other side branches coming in or lower branches from different areas, it would indicate population movements after the A936 SNP split. FGC1136 - 1,267 AD. FGC32648 - 1300 AD. A936 - Not dated by site, Estimated 1150 - 1300 AD. The sub branches of FGC1136 and FGC32648 - aged at about the 1600s AD. DAILEY Irish: The Dailey surnames that have come up on the results of Darling1 seem to be making more sense. Our one Dailey match that joined the group traces his lineage directly to Ireland. If the match is not a result of convergence, the link with the Dailey line likely results from a close relationship to the Dailey line in Ireland. DAILEY project: I joined the Darling1 kit in the Dailey Surname project on FTDNA and he was grouped with none other than the Dailey kit that joined our group. OTHER POSSIBILITIES: A936 line appears to have originated in Ireland, however we have about a 900 year gap because there have been no other testers yet to link into the line. In the last 900 years, the line could have originated in Ireland and the Darling line could have moved to a different location (England??) before coming to Massachusetts in the mid 1600s. FURTHER TESTING: It will be necessary to get at least one other Darling member tested to determine the terminal SNP of Dennis Darling. A Dailey tester will be necessary to see if we can link the Darling and Dailey lines. If we are successful in linking the two, the possibility that John Daily from Braintree was a brother to Dennis Darling will become a real possibility. Regards, Craig