About us
We currently have 8 members representing 4 distinct Barney families.
Our Barney Haplogroups are R1a, I, I1b and E3b. There is one member whose haplotype has not been established.
Sub-Group 1 has 1 member (R1a)(Kit 16130)(12 marker test)
Sub-Group 2 has 1 member (n/a)(Kit 16174)(12 marker test)
Sub-Group 3 has 5 members (I)(80629-25 marker test), 42419 (12 marker test), 33818 (25 marker test), 84977 37 marker test) and I1b (Kit 29220)(37 marker test)
Sub-group 4 has 1 member (E3b)(Kit 37534) (37 marker test)
Haplotypes or Haplogroups is the name anthropologists term various groups on the phlogenic tree. The phylogenic tree is similar to a family tree. Each haplotype is grouped together based on how and when that group left Africa, the seat of all human origin and the route they took to get where they are now located in the world. Basically, it could be said humans were leaving Africa at least 60,000 years ago.
Those participants in our project with haplotypes R1a, n/a, E3b are not related to one another nor to the remainder of the group members.
Kit 80629 in subgroup 3 is very distantly related to the others in subgroup 3.
Participants with Kit numbers 29220, 33818, 42419 and 84977 are closely related.
On the 12 marker test Kit 29220 matches 33818, 42419 and 84977 11 out of 12 markers. On the 25 marker test Kit 29220 matches 33818 and 84977 24 out of 25 markers. On the 37 marker test kit 29220 matches kit 84977 35 out of 37 markers.
On the 12 marker test Kits 42419, 33818 and 84977 are exact 12 out of 12 marker matches. On the 25 marker test Kits 33818 and 84977 are exact matches with 25 out of 25 markers. Kit 42419 did not take the 25 marker test.
The earliest known ancestor or kit 16130 is John Barney, Sr born about 1750 probably in Maryland.
The earliest known ancestor of kit 16174 is Thomas Barney.
The earliest known ancestor of kit 29220 is Edward Barney born about 1570 and died about 1645 in Bradenham, Buckinghamshire, England. His son was Jacob Barney, Sr born in England about 1601 and died in 1673 in Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts.
Judging by the marker results of kit 29220 matching 24/25 with the other kits it is probable they all descend or are closely related to Edward Barney as according to the math estimates by FTDNA there is a 78.43% likelihood of them sharing a common ancestor in 12 generations, 89.43% chance in 16 generations and 95.02% chance in 20 generations.
To better understand the genetic distances related to our members above, go to the following links on the FTDNA website:
For 12 Marker results http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_12.html
For 25 Marker results- http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_25.html
For 37 Marker results- http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html
Following is an essay found on the FTDNA website explaining how to understand and interpret DNA genetic relationships and distance.
Some Family Tree DNA customers will have Y DNA 12 Marker Exact matches with other surnames, and on a rare occasion, a 25 Marker Exact match with another surname. Most likely these people are not related in a genealogical time frame.
To understand how this situation occurs, we start by looking at the population before the origin of Surnames. Before the adoption of Surnames, there existed various Y DNA 12 Marker and 25 Marker results in the male population. The quantity of persons with any particular Y DNA result varied, based on their success of having male children, the survival of the male children, and how many of the male children procreated more male children. There was also migrations throughout the world. In addition, during this time, Markers continued to mutate, just as they do today.
Surnames began to be introduced and adopted at different rates in different countries, typically with the upper classes adopting surnames initially.
Different persons through out a region of the world population would have had the same 12 Marker result at the time of the introduction of surnames. This situation would have occurred due to some of the people being related and the others as a result of Convergence.
For more information on Convergence, see the Facts and Genes Vol. 1, Issue 5, the article titled "Haplotypes: Convergence".
http://www.familytreedna.com/facts_genes.asp?act=show&nk=1.5
As the adoption of surnames occurred, different persons with the same 12 Marker result most likely adopted different surnames. For example, perhaps there was a person in London who adopted the surname Barker and another person existed in Scotland with the same 12 Marker result, and they adopted the surname MacGregor. Assuming that there were no mutations, the descendents today would have a 12 Marker exact match, but they are not related in a genealogical time frame.
The key element in evaluating 12/12 Matches and 25/25 matches is the time frame. We are all related at one point in time. For our family history research, we are most likely only interested in a genealogical time frame. The genealogical time frame most likely does not start before the adoption of surnames, so the first requirement to determine relatedness is the surname.
The Marker mutation rate does not care about surnames, or whether the person even had a surname. Markers mutated before surnames and after the adoption of surnames. By utilizing the criteria of surnames, you are establishing the time frame for evaluating relatedness.
If two people match 12/12 or 25/25 and the surname matches or is a variant, then they are probably related since the time of the adoption of the surname. If two people match 12/12 or 25/25, and the surname does not match, they are most likely related before the adoption of surnames. (This statement excludes adoption, and extra marital events.) Being related before the adoption of surnames is probably not relevant to those doing family history research, so matches with others of different surnames are ignored. When two people match and share the same surname, they would be related since the time of the adoption of the surname.
Scientifically, the probability that two people are related is the same on a 12 Marker match and a 25 Marker match, 99% probability that they are related. The question then becomes WHEN the relatedness occurred. A 25 Marker match has a smaller window of 1200 years, while the 12 Marker match has a much larger window of 2500 years.
The surname effects the time frame for when they are related. When the surname matches, the time frame is shortened, so the two people are related since the adoption of the surname. From a genealogical perspective, determining the first recorded instance of the surname would put a time frame for the adoption of the surname, even though it could have been used prior to that even, but not recorded or the documents lost or destroyed.
Matches with other surnames can occur for anyone, with any 12 Marker or 25 Marker result, who belong to any Haplogroup. We happen to observe this situation occurring more frequently with those who belong to Haplogroup R1b, since this Haplogroup comprises a large percentage of the European population and their descendents.
Most matches with other surnames are not worth investigating. 12 Marker results, called Haplotypes, began evolving and mutating with the first Humans. The time frame for relatedness is a relevant factor, and surnames establish a time frame.
We have arranged our members in groups numbered 1 through 4 depending on how related they are to one another based on genetic distances.
Our Barney Haplogroups are R1a, I, I1b and E3b. There is one member whose haplotype has not been established.
Sub-Group 1 has 1 member (R1a)(Kit 16130)(12 marker test)
Sub-Group 2 has 1 member (n/a)(Kit 16174)(12 marker test)
Sub-Group 3 has 5 members (I)(80629-25 marker test), 42419 (12 marker test), 33818 (25 marker test), 84977 37 marker test) and I1b (Kit 29220)(37 marker test)
Sub-group 4 has 1 member (E3b)(Kit 37534) (37 marker test)
Haplotypes or Haplogroups is the name anthropologists term various groups on the phlogenic tree. The phylogenic tree is similar to a family tree. Each haplotype is grouped together based on how and when that group left Africa, the seat of all human origin and the route they took to get where they are now located in the world. Basically, it could be said humans were leaving Africa at least 60,000 years ago.
Those participants in our project with haplotypes R1a, n/a, E3b are not related to one another nor to the remainder of the group members.
Kit 80629 in subgroup 3 is very distantly related to the others in subgroup 3.
Participants with Kit numbers 29220, 33818, 42419 and 84977 are closely related.
On the 12 marker test Kit 29220 matches 33818, 42419 and 84977 11 out of 12 markers. On the 25 marker test Kit 29220 matches 33818 and 84977 24 out of 25 markers. On the 37 marker test kit 29220 matches kit 84977 35 out of 37 markers.
On the 12 marker test Kits 42419, 33818 and 84977 are exact 12 out of 12 marker matches. On the 25 marker test Kits 33818 and 84977 are exact matches with 25 out of 25 markers. Kit 42419 did not take the 25 marker test.
The earliest known ancestor or kit 16130 is John Barney, Sr born about 1750 probably in Maryland.
The earliest known ancestor of kit 16174 is Thomas Barney.
The earliest known ancestor of kit 29220 is Edward Barney born about 1570 and died about 1645 in Bradenham, Buckinghamshire, England. His son was Jacob Barney, Sr born in England about 1601 and died in 1673 in Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts.
Judging by the marker results of kit 29220 matching 24/25 with the other kits it is probable they all descend or are closely related to Edward Barney as according to the math estimates by FTDNA there is a 78.43% likelihood of them sharing a common ancestor in 12 generations, 89.43% chance in 16 generations and 95.02% chance in 20 generations.
To better understand the genetic distances related to our members above, go to the following links on the FTDNA website:
For 12 Marker results http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_12.html
For 25 Marker results- http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_25.html
For 37 Marker results- http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html
Following is an essay found on the FTDNA website explaining how to understand and interpret DNA genetic relationships and distance.
Some Family Tree DNA customers will have Y DNA 12 Marker Exact matches with other surnames, and on a rare occasion, a 25 Marker Exact match with another surname. Most likely these people are not related in a genealogical time frame.
To understand how this situation occurs, we start by looking at the population before the origin of Surnames. Before the adoption of Surnames, there existed various Y DNA 12 Marker and 25 Marker results in the male population. The quantity of persons with any particular Y DNA result varied, based on their success of having male children, the survival of the male children, and how many of the male children procreated more male children. There was also migrations throughout the world. In addition, during this time, Markers continued to mutate, just as they do today.
Surnames began to be introduced and adopted at different rates in different countries, typically with the upper classes adopting surnames initially.
Different persons through out a region of the world population would have had the same 12 Marker result at the time of the introduction of surnames. This situation would have occurred due to some of the people being related and the others as a result of Convergence.
For more information on Convergence, see the Facts and Genes Vol. 1, Issue 5, the article titled "Haplotypes: Convergence".
http://www.familytreedna.com/facts_genes.asp?act=show&nk=1.5
As the adoption of surnames occurred, different persons with the same 12 Marker result most likely adopted different surnames. For example, perhaps there was a person in London who adopted the surname Barker and another person existed in Scotland with the same 12 Marker result, and they adopted the surname MacGregor. Assuming that there were no mutations, the descendents today would have a 12 Marker exact match, but they are not related in a genealogical time frame.
The key element in evaluating 12/12 Matches and 25/25 matches is the time frame. We are all related at one point in time. For our family history research, we are most likely only interested in a genealogical time frame. The genealogical time frame most likely does not start before the adoption of surnames, so the first requirement to determine relatedness is the surname.
The Marker mutation rate does not care about surnames, or whether the person even had a surname. Markers mutated before surnames and after the adoption of surnames. By utilizing the criteria of surnames, you are establishing the time frame for evaluating relatedness.
If two people match 12/12 or 25/25 and the surname matches or is a variant, then they are probably related since the time of the adoption of the surname. If two people match 12/12 or 25/25, and the surname does not match, they are most likely related before the adoption of surnames. (This statement excludes adoption, and extra marital events.) Being related before the adoption of surnames is probably not relevant to those doing family history research, so matches with others of different surnames are ignored. When two people match and share the same surname, they would be related since the time of the adoption of the surname.
Scientifically, the probability that two people are related is the same on a 12 Marker match and a 25 Marker match, 99% probability that they are related. The question then becomes WHEN the relatedness occurred. A 25 Marker match has a smaller window of 1200 years, while the 12 Marker match has a much larger window of 2500 years.
The surname effects the time frame for when they are related. When the surname matches, the time frame is shortened, so the two people are related since the adoption of the surname. From a genealogical perspective, determining the first recorded instance of the surname would put a time frame for the adoption of the surname, even though it could have been used prior to that even, but not recorded or the documents lost or destroyed.
Matches with other surnames can occur for anyone, with any 12 Marker or 25 Marker result, who belong to any Haplogroup. We happen to observe this situation occurring more frequently with those who belong to Haplogroup R1b, since this Haplogroup comprises a large percentage of the European population and their descendents.
Most matches with other surnames are not worth investigating. 12 Marker results, called Haplotypes, began evolving and mutating with the first Humans. The time frame for relatedness is a relevant factor, and surnames establish a time frame.
We have arranged our members in groups numbered 1 through 4 depending on how related they are to one another based on genetic distances.