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Project Surnames:

Rounseman	Runchaman	Runchiman	Runchyman
Runcie	Runcieman	Runciman	runcy
Runshiman	Runsieman	Runsiman	Runsoman
Runsyman

Project Background:

If you came to this page because you are interested in RUNCIMAN family genealogy, then some of you may have already "met" me in the course of your own research.
My webpages have details of the family I am particularly interested in.

I am excited by the possibilities opening up with the addition of the science of DNA testing to the armoury of tools available to genealogists and I hope you are too, and will participate in this survey.

All you need is to be on a direct line of RUNCIMAN men, and 5 minutes of your time to provide the swab needed for the tests. If you lack, as I do, a Y chromosome, but are still interested, then convince a RUNCIMAN brother or father or cousin to participate instead.

Read the familytreeDNA FAQ pages (link at left) for details on what the tests may be able to discover for us, and when ready, we would love you to join us, simply click on the request to join link at left and provide your kit number.

Testing is cheaper via a surname group than if done directly, but if you have already had a test done, it can be included in the RUNCIMAN results.

For more background information on familytreeDNA, click on the logo at top left and for more background on the RUNCIMAN name, click on the Goals link above.

Also check out our RUNCIMAN surname pages on the World Family Network and the latter's background info.

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Project Goals:

My initial personal goal was to examine whether or not the Wanton Walls family of David and Janet (LOCKIE) RUNCIMAN may be proved to be related to the Michigan families of James & Isabella and William & Mary RUNCIMAN. William & Mary RUNCIMAN do indeed have a full 37 out of 37 match. There is still money in the kitty to contribute to/or pay for a descendant of James & Isabella to join the project and be tested. If you think you qualify, we'd love to hear from you, as there is also some doubt as to whether William and James are brothers or cousins. Check out the recruitment pages for more details.)

The much wider goal is to examine possible relationships between other RUNCIMAN families.
If you are interested in mtDNA tests and can't figure out which project to join, anyone out there who can claim Bessie RUNCIMAN nee FAMILTON as their mother's mother's mother's.... is welcome to use this project's group discount (or any of the RUNCIMAN women's descendants for that matter).

Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" shows Runciman and Runcieman as the name of an individual who had charge of the 'rouncies' or hackney-horses and lists several early individuals from records:

Patrick Runsyman indweller in Roxburghshire in 1488

John Runsyman who witnessed an instrument of sasine in 1496

James Runsiman & William Runsiman tenants in Birnie, Elginshire in 1565

Johnne Runsyman reidare at Une, Aberdeenshire in 1574

Alexander Rounseman tenant of the marquis of Huntlie in 1600

George Runsieman in Newlandis 1633

David Runsiman retoured heir of John Runsiman in Croylet in the regality of Kinross 1653

Alexander Runchiman weaver in Bassiden 1666

In addition he lists RUNCIE and RUNCY as probably abbreviated forms of RUNCIEMAN and says that RUNCIE is one of the surnames of oldest standing in the parish of Cullen, Banffshire

Project News:

2008:

Sep 19, 2008: 6th kit ordered, from the line of the Peruvian branch of George Anderson RUNCIMAN, great grandson of James and Agnes (HERIOT) RUNCIMAN.

Aug 29, 2008: 5th kit ordered, from the line of Thomas & Isabella (LINTON) RUNCIMAN, Thomas son of James and Agnes (HERIOT) RUNCIMAN

Aug 4, 2008: upgrades from 37 to 67 markers ordered for the Wanton Walls lines to see what that might tell us about closeness of relationship. Still looking for representative of the other Michigan branch believed to be related (James RUNCIMAN and Isabella CARTER).

29 Aug: 5th kit ordered

5 Apr: Full 37 marker results back for the descendant of James RUNCIMAN and Agnes HERRIOT via their son George who emigrated to New Zealand in 1851. And yes, there is a very good match, 36/37 markers, with the descendant of James RUNCIMAN and Janet HOG. This nicely dovetails with the recent theory that this latter James (born c 1792 Selkirk, Scotland, and emigrated to New York, thence to Canada, is the one that the NZ branch of RUNCIMANs had noted in the family bible as James, 1791, with a mention of Ohio, but had no further information.

28 Jan: Final results back for the descendant of William & Mary (BROWN) RUNCIMAN from Lauder. Full 37 out of 37 marker match with the descendant of the family of Wanton Walls, if only we knew how!

25 Jan: 3rd kit results (12 marker only) back, that of James and Janet (HOG) RUNCIMAN of Selkirk. Not a match with that of the Wanton Walls family.

24 Jan: 12/12 match between the Wanton Walls descendant and the Michigan descendant of William RUNCIMAN.

14 Jan: Full 37 marker results back on first kit. No matches 35 or more out of 37 markers.

9 Jan: First (12 marker) results back, no 12/12 match with any other person tested with FamilyTree DNA.

4 Jan: Fourth kit ordered, for a descendant of the family of James RUNCIMAN and Agnes HERRIOT of Atyon & Dunbar, Scotland.

2007:

9 Dec: Third kit ordered, for a descendant of the family of James RUNCIMAN and Janet HOGG, of Selkirk, emigrated to Canada.

19 Nov: Second kit ordered, for a descendant of one of the Michigan families (William & Mary (BROWN) RUNCIMAN).

27 Oct: Joined up with the World Families Network to gain access to their associated web space, discussion forums and pedigree postings.

18 Oct: Postings sent to GenForum, Rootsweb RUNCIMAN mailing list and Yahoo RUNCIMAN family group with link to this site.

18 Oct: Group set up and first kit ordered (a descendant of David RUNCIMAN of Wanton Walls, Lauder, Berwickshire Scotland.

Project Results:

Looks like one of the initial goals has been met. There is indeed a match (37 out of 37 markers) between the RUNCIMAN families of Wanton Walls, and one of the ones who emigrated to Michigan (William from Lauder).
Would still love to hear from a descendant of the James RUNCIMAN of Michigan and anyone with a Richard RUNCIMAN in their ancestry.

The 3rd test kit's preliminary results indicates that the family of James and Janet (HOG) RUNCIMAN of Selkirk is a completely different family to that of the above Wanton Walls, Lauder RUNCIMAN family.

However, the 3rd and 4th kits do have a good match (36/37), which is a very good indication that this James does indeed belong to the family of James RUNCIMAN and Agnes HERIOT of Ayton and Dunbar.

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