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ROLL-RALL etc Y-DNA PROJECT

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Group Administrator: Audrey Hancock AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net

Project Surnames:

Mangel	Mangle	Mingle	Raal
Ral	Rall	Raul	Rawl
Rawle	Roell	Rohl	Rol
Role	Roll	Rull

Group General Fund:

09/26/06 - Audrey Ann Hancock donation....$20
09/26/06 - Total available....$20
09/29/06 - Nancy Lohbrunner donation....$25
09/29/06 - Total available....$45

Project Background:

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Background, Goals, News, Results, Y Results, and mt Results

The ROLL-RALL, etc. Surname DNA Project (including the many variants listed above) was organized in 2003. Having read many success stories in matches with DNA for genealogical purposes, we decided that it is time to try to advance ROLL/RALL, etc. research. DNA identification in the many cases may help when there are no written documents to help to prove one's ancestry.

The success of our Project will depend on the number of male participants who join our testing group, as well the documentation of the known research connected with each unique line regarding dates and locations of birth, death, marriage, etc. Please contact and encourage males of the ROLL, RALL, RAWL, etc. surnames to participate in our Project to help to ensure its success.

The Y-DNA testing identifies markers for the male Y-chromosome that is passed, only, from father to son through the generations. Therefore, the testing requires a male with one of the above mentioned surnames or possible other variant. If you are a female with one of the surnames (etc.) or a female researcher, you may have a husband, uncle, brother, male cousin, etc. willing to volunteer in your place.

We have chosen Family Tree DNA of Houston, TX as our testing company. The testing laboratory will be analyzing either the 12, 25, 37, or 67 markers on the Y-chromosome. If the markers of two or more male individuals match, it will indicate they descend from a common male or variant surnamed ancestor. It will not identify the specific ancestor, but through the sharing of family information with other participants, that ancestor could be found. It is our opinion that the 25, 37, or 67 marker test is much better at reporting the kind of data that we need to determine that we are related, as the 12 marker test can find many matches that are not close in generations to most research. If you desire to start at the 12, 25, or 37, you can upgrade from one of these to a higher marker test at a later date.

As a member of the surname project, it is expected that you will share what you know of your family history and your earliest known ancestor. This earliest ancestor could be 2 to 10 or more generations back. Perhaps the earliest known is yourself. This is to help to identify each unique ROLL or variant known lineage with others who match DNA.

DISCLAIMER, CONDITIONS AND AGREEMENT
The project organizer has no commercial affiliation with any profit making organization and receives no compensation for services or expenses involved with the project. At present, the webpages involved with this project is for information, lineages, and posting DNA results of participants.

Although as a participant you receive a discount at FTDNA, that by no means suggests a business partnership or other relationship between the Project and the Laboratory. All funds are payable only and directly to the Laboratory. The project organizer will not be the recipient nor steward of any DNA samples and has no responsibility for their care, handling or return to participant, nor duty to act on behalf of participant in mediation of any dispute between the Participant and the Laboratory.

While a match between two participants may indicate that they share a common male ancestor, it will not identify the specific ancestor and there is no guarantee that every participant will match another participant.

By participation in the project, the participant agrees to all conditions of the Project.

STEPS IN JOINING
Join the project by clicking on link at left and ordering your individual kit.

When kit arrives, follow directions. Return kit including the special waiver form that comes with the kit so that FamilyTree DNA will have permission to share results with Project Coordinator.

Then e-mail to Project Administrator (Audrey): your family's Earliest Known Ancestor and family information for our chart.

Family Lineage information should include:

1. Your Family's Earliest Known Ancestor, including as much history, dates, & places as is known. What is shared about a family line will be up to the individual testee or his representative or researcher. This information will hopefully help others connect their family to your family, if and when like Y-DNA is found.

2. Send lineage from your earliest known ancestor down to you (the testee).

3. Testee's or researcher's name & e-mail address. The name of the testee will not be given unless that individual desires and gives Audrey permission to post. However, it is requested that we receive a name and e-mail of a contact person(s) or family researcher for each family group. Without any contact information, no one will be able to contact someone when there appears to be a common ancestor coming into play.

4. Pertinent Websites or Webpages (Optional)

5. The Family Group Charts, Lineages, Information, and any comments provided by others are solely the responsibility of the Testee and/or Contact Researcher providing them concerning a particular family line. They do not reflect the opinion, research, or belief of the Project Administrator or Coordinator.

The purpose of the chart and lineage is to help identify each individual of like DNA, then provide the opportunity for the participant to share his/her lineage as known or believed at this time. There is no guarantee that any information is correct.

The Project Administrator/Coordinator and Co-Coordinator are not responsible for problems that arise from content found within the lineages of each participant.

The Project Administrator/Coordinator and Co-Coordinator is not responsible for disputes, conflicts or other problems between web site visitors, participants, and researcher(s).

See: ROLL ADMINISTRATOR’s PROJECT SITE

See also: Roll Worldwide DNA Site

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Project Goals:

THE PROJECT

The purpose of this project is to determine possible relationships between different family lines worldwide. With the use of Y-DNA tests we hope to discover which families have a common ancestor. This includes, but is not limited to the lines listed in this project. The project was established to create a growing database of Y-DNA profiles of male descendants to aid in genealogical research. Y-DNA analysis can assist in supporting or refuting the premise that two or more participants descend from a common ancestor.

We wish:

1. To determine possibly relationships with others of the same surname, variant surname, or entirely different surname within the United States or beyond.

2. To determine descendants of early ROLL/RALL/etc. immigrants to America.

3. To assist those not sure of their lineage to determine which of these broad groups they might fit into based upon DNA results.

4. To compare and share data and historical family information that may help others connect to their common ancestor.

SEEKING IDENTIFICATION of ANCESTORS, DESCENDANTS, & FAMILY CONNECTIONS
from known or unknown early American immigrants and others Worldwide

LOOKING FOR DNA PARTICIPANTS FOR LINE
of
JOHANNES/JOHN MANGELSE ROLL

Mangle (aka ROL/ROLL) and his wife, Antje were of the Netherlands. Their son, Jan Mangel(sen) (meaning "son of Mangel" according to Dutch naming pattern) became known as JAN/JOHN MANGLESE/MANGELSE ROLL by descendants. Jan Mangelse Roll was born bet. 1615-1635 in Noord Holland, Netherlands (Europe); immigrated to America and settled in New Amsterdam; married ca 1660 Beverwyck (now Albany), New Netherlands (now NY) to Tryntje "Catherine" Pieters(e) VAN WOGGELUM; & died Bef. 04 September 1705 New Amsterdam (New York). He was the father of these children: Antje "Ann" Janse ROLL; Mangel Janse ROLL; Peter Janse ROLL; Tryntje "Catherina" Janse ROLL; and Johannes Janse Mangelse ROLL. Some of the early descendants removed to New Jersey and others to Pennsylvania. Information on this ROLL FAMILY, "The Origin of the Roll Family," can be found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~windmill/html/mangels.html by William Henry Roll.
Researcher:
Audrey (Shields) Hancock

Project News:

Worldwide ROLL Family
Contact ROLL DNA Co-ordinator: Mitch Roll at mitch@rollintl.com.

The ROLL FAMILY WINDMILL, The Genealogy of the Roll Family: Jan Mangels (aka Johannes/John Roll)

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September 26, 2008

Hello, DNA Participants,

I have updated the ROLL DNA Results and created new charts to accompany new results.

It appears the participants with the ROLL surname have a wide variety of DNA beginnings based upon their results and the believed Haplogroup to which they belong. FamilyTree DNA site defines a Haplogroup thus:

“The haplogroups are the major branches on the Y chromosome tree, defined single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), which have accumulated along different lineages as Y chromosomes are passed from father to son over many generations. All haplogroups ultimately descend from a single Y chromosome carried by a male that lived in the distant past. The topology of the Y chromosome tree can be reconstructed by typing mutations in different human populations – as more SNPs are discovered (e.g., M254), the structure of the tree changes. Originally, the Y Chromosome Consortium (YCC) arbitrarily defined 18 haplogroups (A-R), which represent the major divisions of human diversity based on Y chromosome SNPs. Currently there are 20 haplogroups (A-T). In turn, each of these major haplogroups has numbered subgroups, or subclades, that are named with alternating letters and numbers.”

If you have accessed your personal FT DNA website, you have seen “Y-DNA Haplotree” webpage which will tell you the above information. At this time we have participants in R, I, & J Haplogroups. So with only eight participants’ results, we learn that different groups adopted the ROLL or a variant of the ROLL surname.

To validate one’s own DNA of a particular lineage it is wise also to have another (or more) branch(es) of the family of your particular line to join in the quest. As members of the human race we recognize the reality of human begetting, so we never know in our genealogy lineages if there was an adoption, an illegitimacy, and alias, or other factor which might have interrupted what we considered to be our paternal line. A distant cousin of your line should in all reality match your DNA except for the couple of mutations that may occur on the fast moving alleles/markers.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~grannyapple/ROLL-RALLetc%20DNA/RESULTS.html

DNA Test Results (mtDNA) for Project Members