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Group Administrator: John Eckersley glasnant@glasnant.plus.com
Project Surnames:| Eccersley | Eccles | Eccleston(e) | Eckersail | | Eckersall | Eckersley | Eckersly | Many Others | |
Project Background: Eckersley, Eccles, Eccleston(e), Eckershall, Ecclesley, Eckles, Eckerlsy, Eckersall, Eccleshall, Eckersail and many other similar surnames
CALLING ALL ECKERSLEYS & SIMILAR or ASSOCIATED SURNAMES
Please note that FTDNA Surname Group Administrators are not FTDNA employees. They do not receive any form of financial payment or any other incentive or reimbursement.
ECKERSLEY (Eccersley, Eccles, Eccleston(e), Eckershall, Eckersall, Eckersail, Eccersal and many other variations):
The list of surnames is not final and are based mainly on the distinctive "Eck" sound which occurs at the start of them. So if you have a surname which starts with "Eck" or "Ecc" don't be put off if it doesn't appear in one of the lists on this site - you are more than welcome to join! Just email the Group Administrator whose email address is at the top of the page.
(If you would like to take part in this project or have any information you want to contribute to it we would really like to hear from you. Please contact the Group Administrator at the email address given at the top of the page! Much of the following relates to "Eckersley" but more information about the other surnames in the group will be added over the coming weeks)
This group of surnames seems particularly associated with the English counties of Lancashire, Cheshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire, areas where they can still be found in large numbers today. However the Eccles and Eckles surnames seem to have a far greater original distribution - probably because Eccles is derived from "Ecclesia", the Latin word for church" and so would have been likely to originate or occur in many different areas.
Although not a very frequently found surname in comparison to more popular ones it can now be seen in many countries today including the USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa and many others.
What do the Surname Experts Say?
"A Dictionary of English Surnames" - P.H. Reaney & R.M. Wilson
Eckersley, Eccersley
From a lost place name in Lancashire (source E. Ekwall, "The Place Names of Lancashire, Manchester 1922"):
Henry de Ecclesleye 1301, Yorkshire (source, Placita de Quo Warranto, London 1818).
Jane Eckersley 1603, Lancashire (source, C.W. Bardsley "A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, London 1901)
Other sources indicate that this lost place would have been "Eckersley Fold" close to Tyldesley near Manchester, England.
Eccles, Eckles
From Eccles in Kent, Lancashire, Norfolk, Berwick and Dumfries.
Adam , Warin de Eccles c1170 Scotland?[presumably Scotland because GF Black is stated as the source but no detail is given]
Adam , Warin de Eccles 1212 Kent (source Curia Regis Rolls)
Peter Ekeles 1378 London (source Assize Rolls,London Records Society 1965-76)
Eccleston(e)
From Eccleston, Cheshire & Lancashire
Geoffrey de Eckleston' 1230, Nottinghamshire (source, Pipe Rolls: Record Commission, 3 vols, London 1833-44)
Robert de Eccleston 1385, (source, Calendar of Inquisitiones post mortem (in progress)Lancashire, Chetham Society, 95, 1875)
Anthony Eccleston 1537 Essex (source, Feet of Fines, Essex Archaeological Society 4 vols 1899-1964)
Eccleshall, Eckersall, Eacersall
From Ecclesall (West Riding of Yorkshire), Eccleshall (Staffordshire), Eccleshill (Lancashire and West Riding of Yorkshire)
William de Eccleshull 1246 Lancashire (source, Lancashire Assize Rolls,Lancashire & Cheshire Record Society 1904 & 1905)
Robert de Eccleshale 1251 Yorkshire (source, Yorkshire assize Rolls, Yorkshire Archaeological Society 1911 & 1939 and the Selden Society 1937)
Robert de Ekilsale 1297 Yorkshire (source, Yorkshire Subsidy Rolls, Thorsby Society 1891 and Yorkshire Archaeological Society 1894, 1897 & 1929)
What Places Are Associated with this Surname Group?
It appears that while Eckersley, Eccleston(e), Eccleshall and Eckersall are closely associated with the counties of Lancashire and Cheshire, and Eccleshall and Eckersall with Lancashire and the West Riding of Yorkshire, the surnames Eccles and Eckles have a far wider original distribution occurring not only in Lancashire but also Kent, Norfolk, Berwick and Dumfries.
Where do your paternal roots come from? From what branch of your surname are you descended? DNA may be able to help solve the mystery.
Do you know any stories or legends associated with this surname group? - we would love to hear from you, especially if you can provide a source for the information. Just email the Group Administrator (email address at the top of the page).
Were the Eckersleys Flemish Weavers?
There are certain mysteries surrounding the Eckersleys. One story says that they were meant to be descended from Flemish weavers who moved to Lancashire in the Middle Ages. Apparently three groups of families moved at one time - the Eckersleys, the Seddons and an unknown family. However, to date none of this has been confirmed.
Are We Descended from The Welsh Princes or Norman Nobility?
Another Eckersley myth tells of a Norman knight marrying a Welsh Princess. But again no details about this family myth seems forthcoming. Similarly, another story relates that in the 1500s an Elizabeth Eckersley married a Welshman who was supposedly descended from the Welsh Princes.
Is this merely wishful thinking???
Manchester, like Liverpool, certainly has a long association with Wales, through it's people via trade and migration, but it has also had similar links with Scotland and Ireland not to mention the rest of northern England. However, the myth of the Eckersley's Worcestershire origin may possibly still link them to Wales since the county next to Worcestershire is Herefordshire which was part of Wales up until Henry VIII introduced the Act of Union between England & Wales which also transferred Herefordshire to England.
What Are the Family Stories Surrounding the Eccles, Eccleston(e), Eckersall and the other surname members of this surname group? Do you have any information to share? Simply email the group Project Co-ordinator (address at the head of this page)
But Eckersley and Variants Originate in England
All the names in the group seem to have a definite Germanic sound which is accentuated by the initial hard "Eck" they all share.
This may be the case with Eckersley since one meaning given for this surname says it is derived from the old German name Eckhard, meaning "edge-hard" which is taken to refer to the blade of a sword. From this they derive that the name means "sword bearer living on the edge of a valley or clearing"
What about Eckershall? The implication from the meaning of Eckersley above indicates that Eckershall means "One who lived or served at Eckhard's hall". Was there a particular hall associated with a common ancestor for this surname in the West Riding of Yorkshire or in Lancashire? Further research and the use of DNA in genealogical research may be able to link together branches of the name indicating which people or locations to research.
But as Eccles is believed to come from Latin not German, and since much confusion appears to have occurred over the centuries between the surnames in this group, the sound of our names may not always reflect their origins let alone those of the surname bearer.
DNA may hold the clues we need to unravel the questions regarding our ancestry, both in the distant past and also in much more recent times, hence its use in genealogy. Genealogists use YDNA to make connections between branches of families with the same surname, or associated surnames, helping them to decide which branches to pursue and which locations to research.
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The project is currently seeking participants - to join the group please follow this link
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=E28743&special=True
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Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Goals: 1. To identify others who are related. An international research effort to link together families with surnames from this group with those from the USA, UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, South Africa or anywhere else where someone with a surname like these is located.
2. To prove or disprove theories regarding your family history or your ancestry
3. To solve brickwalls you have run into in your research
4. To provide a means for possibly determining which geographical location you should research next
5. To validate your existing research
Because the Eckersley surname is not that common and also appears to have been a surname adopted by people from one place only one might easily conclude that all Eckersleys are descended from one common ancestor. However, other DNA surname projects have started off believing this, only to be surprised to find that as the project progressed there were in fact several different ancestors with the same surname.
DNA Collection Method
The collection of a DNA sample may sound like a rather daunting process - however it is a very simple and painless procedure which is excellently explained by Dave Dorsey's step by step photographic guide to the whole process
http://www.davedorsey.com/dna.html
LÕÕK at What Can be Achieved By Using DNA to Assist Genealogy!
The Blair surname project is one of many well established YDNA projects. It shows just what can be achieved using DNA results by connecting Blair family lines together from all around the world. The DNA results have enabled the project Group Administrator to sort them into the appropriate family groupings. This in itself can help point a researcher along the right lines by showing which families groups are most likely to provide the connections required, and of course the many family lines the genealogist need not research. (once on the Blair DNA webpage, click on the "Test Results" button to see the family lines to which people have been assigned. Click on each person's kit number to access their family tree).
The Blair DNA Project provides information not only about DNA itself but also what the results mean when you receive them (click on the Marker Analysis button on the Blair website)
http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html
This Barlow surname website is really great. It holds a wealth on information on the different branches and has a section on their DNA project. A summary of some of the relationships between branches can be found by following the heading marked "indexes" and then placing the mouse over the family group name.
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com
Another excellent project is the Elliott & Border Reivers DNA Project which focuses on families with surnames originating from either side of Hadrian's Wall between England and Scotland
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/elliott_border_reivers_dna.htm
CALLING ALL ECKERSLEYS & RELATED SURNAMES
We are keen to get as many Eckersleys and those with related surnames tested from as many different branches as possible regardless of their geographical location.
Eligibility
This is a surname project using YDNA which follows the paternal genetic line (ie from father to son). It means that in order to join the project you need to be a male with an Eckersley or associated surname or a female who can participate by getting a male Eckersley relative(or male with one of the other surnames in this project) to provide a sample. Suitable samples could therefore be provided by a woman's father, brothers or cousins. BUT remember it's the male's surname that indicates who you can choose.
The surname lists shown are not final and we are happy to use samples provided by any male whose surname starts with "Eck" or "Ecc".
Current YDNA Test Prices (10 May 2005 - prices and currency conversions correct at 3.55pm today)
There are three types of test available from FTDNA for those researching their paternal line (ie their father's, father's, father etc). Each offers a greater degree of detail by providing results for a greater number of markers. These markers are specific points on the DNA that are measured to see how many repeats occur at that point. The markers have a name such as DYS388 and the repeats at that point are recorder next to this marker name to give you something like DYS388 12. This tells you there are 12 repeats at marker DYS388. It is this information that you use to compare with individuals using the values for your 12, 25 or 37 markers.
Each test has pros and cons regarding its usefulness to the genealogist
12 Marker YDNA Test ($99 / £52.61): This may be useful where you wish to disprove a relationship between individuals. However, the level of detail will mean that you will find matches with many individuals with many different surnames meaning it is not that useful when trying to find people to whom you are related since a match at the 12 marker level indicates a deep ancestral common origin which most believe comes from a time before surnames existed.
25 Marker Test ($169 / £89.90): Many regard this as the current standard test for genealogy since it provides a level of detail which is great enough to help confirm or deny whether relationships exist between individuals of the same surname. While this test helps confirm if a relationship exists or not it may still mean that the relationship could be anywhere between a few generations and the time when surnames started to come into existence.
37 marker test ($219 / £116.36): This is the high level test offered by FTDNA. It's advantages are that it provides more detail which can help confirm relationships and can tell you whether that relationship was either nearer the time when surnames first came in to use or more usefully whether that relationship was more likely to be recent say within the past 250 years. However, sometimes more information can be more difficult to interpret as there more factors to have to take into account.
Some useful information on this and other topics concerning DNA and genealogy by following the Frequently Asked Questions link at the top left of this webpage.
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The project is currently seeking participants - to join the group please follow this link
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=E28743&special=True
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Members of Families Particularly Sought
All potential members are welcome as long as they meet the eligibility criteria mentioned above. The project however also has a wish list of families for whom it would definitely like to see results.
Dennis Eckersley
World famous baseball player
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/eckersley_dennis.htm
Walter Herbert Eckersall (1884-1930)
All American football player from Chicago.
http://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/parks.detail/object_id/B873B5FF-0940-471C-A729-EE1F260966CB.cfm
Christopher Eccleston
World famous actor and current star in the BBC's popular family Sci-Fi series Dr WHO.
http://www.christophereccleston.com/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/christopher_eccleston.shtml
Colonel Nathaniel Eckersley
who fought along with the Duke of Wellington. (See the district of Hindley listed at the following link)
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/towns/wigan2.html
Captain P.P. Eckersley
Wireless Engineer with the Royal Flying Corps who broadcast the first English experiment in radio drama, later to became the first Chief Engineer in the British Broadcasting Company which officially started broadcasting on 14 November 1922
http://www.kent.ac.uk/sdfva/invisibleplay/Body/2a2.html
Do you know of any other famous or interesting Eckersleys/Eckersalls etc who should appear in this list? If so just drop the Group Administrator an email to the address at the top of the page.
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Donations to our DNA Surname Project Fund
Our DNA Surname Project Fund is held to help those who would like to join the project but who are unable to afford the full test price. The fund can be used to make a contribution to the test price, or in special circumstances pay the full test price. This of course depends on the each individuals circumstances and of course how much money is in the fund.
Would you like to help someone with their research by making a gift? If so please use the following link.
http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html
The Eckersley project would very much like to thank all those who have kindly contributed to the fund in order to allow those less fortunate to participate. All donations received can only be used on this project and nothing else. They will either be spent to further a specific line of research or more generally to enable bearers of these surnames to join the project, as specified by the donor.
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(8 May 2005)News Just in - Family Legend Confirmed!
As a spin-off conversation regarding the news from May 1st (below) a link has been made between the Barlows and two members of the Goff DNA Project. The Goffs had a family legend that their ancestors were in fact Barlows who had been orphaned in Tennessee in the early 19th century.
An email regarding the DNA connection between the Eckersley candidate and the Lancashire Barlows sparked off recognition by the Goff Surname Project Administrator of the significance of the Barlow results. He found that there is a 37/37 marker match between the Goffs and a particular branch of the Barlows who also hail from Tennessee. Their results are haplogroup "I", one of the less frequently found genetic groups and the closeness of the match infers a common ancestor for the three a few generations ago.
This exciting development is being investigated further by the Barlow and Goff DNA Project Administrators. It shows the power of genetic genealogy to help confirm (or deny!) those family legends.
The Goff/Barlow results can be seen in the second table on the Goff website.
http://home.comcast.net/~philgoff/DNAresults.htm
And the 37 marker results tie in with those of the family of Alfred Hirton Barlow of Tenessee (see kit# 18375)
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Options/BARLOWDNAPROJECT.htm
(1 May 2005) DNA Results Confirms Suspected Link
A suspected link between our Eckersley candidate and another ancient Lancashire family has been confirmed in this week.
The Eckersley candidate had a set 37 marker DNA results and these have shown a close connection to a group of Barlows who claim descent from the Barlows of Barlow Hall, Lancashire. But until very recently this connection was not at a level that FTDNA would call "related", but fell into the "probably related" category.
However this week a new set of Barlow results were posted which changed everything confirming that the two individuals are "related", being a 34/37 match. This conclusion would seem to be confirmed other evidence to hand including the fact that both participants have paternal roots within a 5 mile radius of north Manchester, England at the end of the 18th century.
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LINKS:
Lancashire:
Lancashire Family History and Heraldry Society
http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/
Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/
Manchester (General history)
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ITmanchester.htm
Bury, Radcliffe, Whitefield, Prestwich, Tottington & Ramsbottom (towns in northern Greater Manchester, England).
http://members.aol.com/jhigson224/local_history/BuryMetro-index.html
Cheshire
Cheshire Family History Society
http://www.fhsc.org.uk/
Yorkshire
Huddersfield and District Family History Society
http://www.hdfhs.org.uk/homepage.htm
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Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Results: To date one set of results has been received and this candidate's results reveal that he is related to a family of Lancashire Barlows. His results are also included in their DNA project as kit number 22784 with the closest match being Barlow kit #30538). At present we are working with the Barlow DNA project to establish the exact link between the two families. Have a look at the Barlow DNA project table for an idea on what can be achieved by linking together certain branches of a family using YDNA. The background colour indicates which families are related. Just click on a person's kit number to see their family tree.
It is interesting that for the group coloured in blue, Barlow 30358 has the modal, or the most frequently ocurring, marker values. This indicates that he has what is referred to as the ancestral haplotype for that group. This means that his values are closest to the group's common male ancestor.
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Options/BARLOWDNAPROJECT.htm
The project is actively recruiting members and so if you are interested please contact the project administrator using the email address shown at the top of this page.
The Eckersley Surname Project is a member of ISOGG (The International Society of Genetic Genealogy) which aims to promote the use of DNA in genealogy and provide education regarding what the results tell us. http://www.isogg.org/
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Eckersley & Barlow
In the past couple of weeks the results of our first kit have shown a remarkable resemblance to one group within the Barlow DNA surname project. In fact the DNA result shows that Eckersley (kit# 22784) and Barlow (kit #30538) are related. Both candidates have traced back their paternal origins to the late 18th and very early 19th centuries to within a five mile radius of north Manchester, England. Take a look at the similarity by following this link. A proposed tree showing the link between this Eckersley and the Barlows has been constructed using the evidence known, which can be seen by clicking on kit #22784. But qiute how this family of Barlows and the Barlow with kit #30538 are related is being researched at the moment.
http://www.barlowgenealogy.com/Options/BARLOWDNAPROJECT.htm
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Eckersley & Dilks
A more distant link has been discovered between the Eckersley candidate and a member of the Dilks surname DNA project. However, the interesting thing about this is that the Dilks member is a much closer match to the Barlows shown in the table above. In fact he is only 3 markers distant ie 34/37 markers away from Barlow project member 30538 meaning that they may also be related! The Eckersley and Dilks DNA project administrators are currently investigating this - although one tantalising clue appears to be in the Herald's Visitation to the Dilks in the early 1600s where his report stated that the Dilks "had come out of Cheshire", to their home at that time in Leicestershire. This is tantalising because the earliest known Dilks in this line is Thomas Dylke born c1480 in Lichfield, Staffordshire which is the county next to Cheshire!
To explore this Dilks line please go to this website
http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/d/dilks/
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Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.
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1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA
Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147
Contact Us
All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.
Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.
World Headquarters
1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA
Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147
Contact Us
All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd.
Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project |
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